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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 9:57 am

OH, that's right - Trinidad and Tobago is on the list of countries that the United States considers harboring terrorists.

Immigration changes in 3..2..1....

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby cherrypopper » November 10th, 2016, 9:58 am

Who really wants to go usa anyways

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 9:59 am

[X]~Outlaw wrote:
AbstractPoetic wrote:- Intentionally killing civilians (he suggested that we kill the family members of ISIS/terrorists on purpose)
--Ripping up the Iran Deal
--Denying climate change
--Promoting torture
--Blatant bigotry

...this is what the citizens and world have to look forward to.

I think a lot of people (including, Jill Stein) had good reason to think he was legitimately medically and mentally crazy/insane. He's a sick human being - in more than one way. It's truly scary having to think what could happen each and every day with a man like that in charge of the United States.


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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Slartibartfast » November 10th, 2016, 10:03 am

Hindsight is 20/20. I'm wonder if the DNC realizes that this is all their fault. All they had to do was let Bernie Sanders run. But no. They had to put Hillary

BTW, as far as sexism goes, people need to see that it goes both ways. It's hypocritical to cry foul when people don't vote for Hillary because she is a woman if that is a major reason why you are voting for her.

All things considered equal, the DNC should have done what so many were begging them to do from the start and let Bernie run. They handed the election to RNC when they decided to use Hillary. Even with the backing of the white house, presidents past and present, Hollywood and the media, she still lost to, what was considered from the start to the very end, a joke.

Now as much as I hate Trump, I have to admit, he has now reached legendary status becoming the POTUS with no prior experience and starting a campaign under some of the worst circumstances.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 10:03 am

cherrypopper wrote:Who really wants to go usa anyways


But, see, its not just that.

Interestingly enough, many of your local imports come from US shores. Many of your local businessmen rely on US imports to conduct business.

Trump has explicitly expressed his intent to not engage or collaborate with economies that harbor terrorists.

But no need to stress. It's not like the TT economy pegs its currency to the US dollar. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 10:09 am

Slartibartfast wrote:Hindsight is 20/20. I'm wonder if the DNC realizes that this is all their fault. All they had to do was let Bernie Sanders run. But no. They had to put Hillary

BTW, as far as sexism goes, people need to see that it goes both ways. It's hypocritical to cry foul when people don't vote for Hillary because she is a woman if that is a major reason why you are voting for her.

All things considered equal, the DNC should have done what so many were begging them to do from the start and let Bernie run. They handed the election to RNC when they decided to use Hillary. Even with the backing of the white house, presidents past and present, Hollywood and the media, she still lost to, what was considered from the start to the very end, a joke.

Now as much as I hate Trump, I have to admit, he has now reached legendary status becoming the POTUS with no prior experience and starting a campaign under some of the worst circumstances.


We have entered a new level of cronyism.

Could you imagine, the likes of Sarah Palin may be in charge of an entire department (she is being vetted for Department of Energy) while the likes of Giuliani (known for his blatant racism in NYC) heads Homeland Security?

The world, and apparently many on this forum, just don't understand the extent of how drastically damaging this presidency will be - not just to us who reside here, but every single human citizen.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » November 10th, 2016, 10:16 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Hindsight is 20/20. I'm wonder if the DNC realizes that this is all their fault. All they had to do was let Bernie Sanders run. But no. They had to put Hillary

BTW, as far as sexism goes, people need to see that it goes both ways. It's hypocritical to cry foul when people don't vote for Hillary because she is a woman if that is a major reason why you are voting for her.

All things considered equal, the DNC should have done what so many were begging them to do from the start and let Bernie run. They handed the election to RNC when they decided to use Hillary. Even with the backing of the white house, presidents past and present, Hollywood and the media, she still lost to, what was considered from the start to the very end, a joke.

Now as much as I hate Trump, I have to admit, he has now reached legendary status becoming the POTUS with no prior experience and starting a campaign under some of the worst circumstances.


We have entered a new level of cronyism.

Could you imagine, the likes of Sarah Palin may be in charge of an entire department (she is being vetted for Department of Energy) while the likes of Giuliani (known for his blatant racism in NYC) heads Homeland Security?

The world, and apparently many on this forum, just don't understand the extent of how drastically damaging this presidency will be - not just to us who reside here, but every single human citizen.


We MAY have entered a new level of cronyism. But that remains 2b seen.

In the interim all the bellyaching...supposition...extrapolation...innuendo...perhaps-isms...and what-if-ismn will do no good.

Save the crocodile tears.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 10th, 2016, 10:19 am

Smh @ ppl who deny climate change

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » November 10th, 2016, 10:21 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Smh @ ppl who deny climate change


The scientific method of validating or invalidating a theory requires proofs.

Where iz the proof?

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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby racedriverpro » November 10th, 2016, 10:24 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:- Intentionally killing civilians (he suggested that we kill the family members of ISIS/terrorists on purpose)
--Ripping up the Iran Deal
--Denying climate change
--Promoting torture
--Blatant bigotry

...this is what the citizens and world have to look forward to.

I think a lot of people (including, Jill Stein) had good reason to think he was legitimately medically and mentally crazy/insane. He's a sick human being - in more than one way. It's truly scary having to think what could happen each and every day with a man like that in charge of the United States.

How much will u take to make a porno with Trump?

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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » November 10th, 2016, 10:34 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:
cherrypopper wrote:Who really wants to go usa anyways


But, see, its not just that.

Interestingly enough, many of your local imports come from US shores. Many of your local businessmen rely on US imports to conduct business.

Trump has explicitly expressed his intent to not engage or collaborate with economies that harbor terrorists.

But no need to stress. It's not like the TT economy pegs its currency to the US dollar. :lol:

WHAT THE FRAZZLE U ON ABOUT!


THST IS WAHT IMBERT/ROWLEY WANTS... MORE SELF SUFFICIENCY, LESS IMPORTS!!!!!

u should give up dual nationality and focus on one country, cause clearly u misunderstand both.

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Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby sMASH » November 10th, 2016, 10:37 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Smh @ ppl who deny climate change

That was though even with the Nobel peace prize winner at the helm.
So, its just more of the same.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby meccalli » November 10th, 2016, 10:43 am

Miktay wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Smh @ ppl who deny climate change


The scientific method of validating or invalidating a theory requires proofs.

Where iz the proof?
It's an observable phenomenon, the issue is complicated as to the causes. An immense amount of money is being spent on trying to cut carbon emissions without consideration of the earth's natural milankovitch cycles as well as the atmospheric concentrations of CO2. It's demonizing a natural atmospheric constituent while ignoring more important issues because of consumer demand and profit.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 10:44 am

Miktay wrote:
AbstractPoetic wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Hindsight is 20/20. I'm wonder if the DNC realizes that this is all their fault. All they had to do was let Bernie Sanders run. But no. They had to put Hillary

BTW, as far as sexism goes, people need to see that it goes both ways. It's hypocritical to cry foul when people don't vote for Hillary because she is a woman if that is a major reason why you are voting for her.

All things considered equal, the DNC should have done what so many were begging them to do from the start and let Bernie run. They handed the election to RNC when they decided to use Hillary. Even with the backing of the white house, presidents past and present, Hollywood and the media, she still lost to, what was considered from the start to the very end, a joke.

Now as much as I hate Trump, I have to admit, he has now reached legendary status becoming the POTUS with no prior experience and starting a campaign under some of the worst circumstances.


We have entered a new level of cronyism.

Could you imagine, the likes of Sarah Palin may be in charge of an entire department (she is being vetted for Department of Energy) while the likes of Giuliani (known for his blatant racism in NYC) heads Homeland Security?

The world, and apparently many on this forum, just don't understand the extent of how drastically damaging this presidency will be - not just to us who reside here, but every single human citizen.


We MAY have entered a new level of cronyism. But that remains 2b seen.

In the interim all the bellyaching...supposition...extrapolation...innuendo...perhaps-isms...and what-if-ismn will do no good.

Save the crocodile tears.


Apparently you haven't take a look at his short list - a number of businessmen friends and family.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Dizzy28 » November 10th, 2016, 11:01 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
AbstractPoetic wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
AbstractPoetic wrote:#Whitelash
smh
White this, black that. It was a lash yes, a lash against the establishment /the_end


Say what you want, but YOU don't live here. This election result was simply a result of the majority of Americans silently and patiently awaiting their day of vengeance against not just Democrats, but a black presidency.

You're talking about the establishment, when in fact the establishment are the racists who have currently been handed free reign to SH*T on the United States and the world.

Enjoy your Sarah Palin. You better believe TT will feel the effects of this whitelash.

Can't stand the level of IGNORANCE and complete DENIAL of you folks.

This is not the same person all up in Trinidad general elections last year??


It IS. I am a dual citizen after all.

But you choose to devote your productive years to America instead of Trinidad. Devote your politics to one country as well.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Slartibartfast » November 10th, 2016, 11:06 am

AbstractPoetic wrote: The world, and apparently many on this forum, just don't understand the extent of how drastically damaging this presidency will be - not just to us who reside here, but every single human citizen.


We MAY have entered a new level of cronyism. But that remains 2b seen. [/quote]

I posted this a month ago

Slartibartfast wrote:I actually want trump to win. It will force to light all of the problems with the electoral system that the US try to ignore. The same problems that enable an idiot* as big as Trump to be the leader of a major party and a serious contender for president. The bed's almost made and I would like to see them lie in it. We seem to be heading down a similar path and keep wanting to emulate the US so it's only a matter of time before we get some idiots** in power that can't do anything but their worst....

*I mean this literally, he is not a metaphorical idiot, he once argued against being an idiot by saying he has the best words
** Substantially bigger ones anyway


Time to sit back and enjoy the ride.

BTW, I`ll admit that I thought Trump was joke and that there was no way he could win right up to the very end. I will also admit that there were some parts of his acceptance speech that sounded good. However, he did a lot of damage during his campaign and it remains to be seen if he can make it right. I am going to do my best to keep an open mind with this one and see how he does.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby bluesclues » November 10th, 2016, 11:07 am

Abstractpoetic can i ask yu a question? If it were donald trump on the democrat ticket and hillary on the republican ticket... who would you vote for?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Miktay » November 10th, 2016, 11:13 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:
Miktay wrote:
AbstractPoetic wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Hindsight is 20/20. I'm wonder if the DNC realizes that this is all their fault. All they had to do was let Bernie Sanders run. But no. They had to put Hillary

BTW, as far as sexism goes, people need to see that it goes both ways. It's hypocritical to cry foul when people don't vote for Hillary because she is a woman if that is a major reason why you are voting for her.

All things considered equal, the DNC should have done what so many were begging them to do from the start and let Bernie run. They handed the election to RNC when they decided to use Hillary. Even with the backing of the white house, presidents past and present, Hollywood and the media, she still lost to, what was considered from the start to the very end, a joke.

Now as much as I hate Trump, I have to admit, he has now reached legendary status becoming the POTUS with no prior experience and starting a campaign under some of the worst circumstances.


We have entered a new level of cronyism.

Could you imagine, the likes of Sarah Palin may be in charge of an entire department (she is being vetted for Department of Energy) while the likes of Giuliani (known for his blatant racism in NYC) heads Homeland Security?

The world, and apparently many on this forum, just don't understand the extent of how drastically damaging this presidency will be - not just to us who reside here, but every single human citizen.


We MAY have entered a new level of cronyism. But that remains 2b seen.

In the interim all the bellyaching...supposition...extrapolation...innuendo...perhaps-isms...and what-if-ismn will do no good.

Save the crocodile tears.


Apparently you haven't take a look at his short list - a number of businessmen friends and family.


Youre blowing things outta proportion before the man has even taken the oath of office.

Appointing friends and family iz not uncommon in US politics. Robert Kennedy served as Attorney General in his brother's administration.

If u want 2 judge performance it iz more sensible to wait a year into the presidency.

You only get 2 cry wolf so many times.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Redman » November 10th, 2016, 11:16 am

AP is stereotypical-emotive and hypocritical-

Trump is a racist-while the Clintons have real issues to answer on the exploitation of the Haitian people through their foundation-maybe non us black lives dont matter much-who did more harm?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... ida-trump/

The Clintons’ history in Haiti is symptomatic of their relationship with black people in the last 30 years,” Ralph Kenol, a Democrat Haitian-American who voted early for Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein over Clinton told the Miami Herald. “I have a problem with Clinton’s Haiti policy just as much as I have one with their policies over the crime bill and welfare reform.”
“The Haitian people had a rare opportunity to see Bill Clinton up close for many years and see the non-results… There were a lot of photo ops, but five, six years later, Haitians know nothing was accomplished,” Kenol said.


Intentionally Killing civilians???-check the middle east-Obama/Clintons admins track record with war in the middle east et al,drone strikes ,collateral damage.

Economic concerns?-a debt of 19.4 Trillion USD- increased from 10T under Obama....Symplistic yes-but factual.

So while AP is speculating as to the world under Trump... we know HRC template having survived it...
War and Pay for Play.
These are facts and linkages born out by HRC emails

With her history going back to Whitewater.....she is the embodiment of the failure(or weaknesses) of the US system...

Trump isnt much better on the face of it..and frankly this was a contest between two terrible candidates.
But certainly less likely to be part of the parasitical system and status quo

what is pitiful but characteristic of HRC supporters is the belief of an intellectual superiority over anyone that does not share their point of view-a them/us disposition-see the YOU people in her posts....

HRC had a system in place to exploit her office and the power that comes with it.
Trump used that reality effectively against HRD.But also he has little support to execute the things like the wall etc.

Early on he made statements that while people disagreed with how he operationalized the principle.....they agreed with THE principle itself.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby meccalli » November 10th, 2016, 11:17 am

AbstractPoetic wrote:Apparently you haven't take a look at his short list - a number of businessmen friends and family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hou ... ontroversy

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 10th, 2016, 11:18 am

Miktay wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Smh @ ppl who deny climate change


The scientific method of validating or invalidating a theory requires proofs.

Where iz the proof?
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 11:18 am

bluesclues wrote:Abstractpoetic can i ask yu a question? If it were donald trump on the democrat ticket and hillary on the republican ticket... who would you vote for?


The candidate with policy ideas that do not reflect or support hate, xenophobia and misogyny.

I am a registered independent - this election did not come down to party-loyalty for me, but policy.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 11:25 am

Redman wrote:AP is stereotypical-emotive and hypocritical-

Trump is a racist-while the Clintons have real issues to answer on the exploitation of the Haitian people through their foundation-maybe non us black lives dont matter much-who did more harm?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president ... ida-trump/

The Clintons’ history in Haiti is symptomatic of their relationship with black people in the last 30 years,” Ralph Kenol, a Democrat Haitian-American who voted early for Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein over Clinton told the Miami Herald. “I have a problem with Clinton’s Haiti policy just as much as I have one with their policies over the crime bill and welfare reform.”
“The Haitian people had a rare opportunity to see Bill Clinton up close for many years and see the non-results… There were a lot of photo ops, but five, six years later, Haitians know nothing was accomplished,” Kenol said.


Intentionally Killing civilians???-check the middle east-Obama/Clintons admins track record with war in the middle east et al,drone strikes ,collateral damage.

Economic concerns?-a debt of 19.4 Trillion USD- increased from 10T under Obama....Symplistic yes-but factual.

So while AP is speculating as to the world under Trump... we know HRC template having survived it...
War and Pay for Play.
These are facts and linkages born out by HRC emails

With her history going back to Whitewater.....she is the embodiment of the failure(or weaknesses) of the US system...

Trump isnt much better on the face of it..and frankly this was a contest between two terrible candidates.
But certainly less likely to be part of the parasitical system and status quo

what is pitiful but characteristic of HRC supporters is the belief of an intellectual superiority over anyone that does not share their point of view-a them/us disposition-see the YOU people in her posts....

HRC had a system in place to exploit her office and the power that comes with it.
Trump used that reality effectively against HRD.But also he has little support to execute the things like the wall etc.

Early on he made statements that while people disagreed with how he operationalized the principle.....they agreed with THE principle itself.



LOL at quoting Brietbart - a KNOWN white race-realist website, as a reliable source to your silly claims.

On this basis alone, I won't entertain providing you with an educated response.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 11:28 am

And Redman - one last thing:

It's NOT speculation. Everything I have stated about the pending changes can be found on Trump's transition website:

http://www.greatagain.gov

Like I said, enjoy YOUR deportees, increased prices and backlash for having harbored terrorists.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby pete » November 10th, 2016, 11:28 am

Trinidad is harboring terrorists and won't accept deportees?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby MaxPower » November 10th, 2016, 11:31 am

AbstractPoetic.....ED comin for you jus now

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby Daran » November 10th, 2016, 11:34 am

AbstractPoetic,

I understand your concerns. I'd truly be more concerned about a GOP controlled congress. Trump isn't a far right guy, in fact, he's probably more left than Hillary. However, the support base that they each pander to needs to see these hard right or left views in order to garner support. I don't disagree with Hillary saying that you have to have differing public and private views. The running of the world's biggest superpower is more complicated than most can comprehend.

Trump isn't the devil you make him out to be. Listen to many of his past interviews, he's very leftist on most of social views. On a state level, I'd be more concerned with right wing politicians enacting anti-progressive policies.

He isn't a warmonger, he isn't beholden to wall street and powerful lobbyist. He's perhaps the best thing to ever happen to the GOP.

That said, he does have to follow and enact some right wing policies (and will probably be done on a state level), so things will get tougher for LGBT, women's right to choose, religious freedoms (when it comes to Islam) and immigration.

Trump is a political shake-up. I would have preferred Bernie, but Trump is probably going too far exceed your expectations.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby AbstractPoetic » November 10th, 2016, 11:36 am

pete wrote:Trinidad is harboring terrorists and won't accept deportees?


Yes. Yasin Abu Bakr.

Under Trump's presidency, any country that has produced terrorists is a country that has the potential likelihood to harbor terrorists.

It doesn't help that one of ISIS' recruitment video displays a few Trinidadians well.

As for deportees, TT will have no choice but to accept them unless you desire travel bans and harsh economic sanctions.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby pete » November 10th, 2016, 11:39 am

Well maybe it will allow us to put in place legislation to better deal with the terrorists we have living here. This is a bad thing because...?

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Postby meccalli » November 10th, 2016, 11:44 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
Miktay wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Smh @ ppl who deny climate change


The scientific method of validating or invalidating a theory requires proofs.

Where iz the proof?
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/


97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.
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Global temperature fluctuated long before major human inputs of carbon, as you can see during the industrial boom the earth's temp was actually decreasing. CO2 historically hasn't been a driver of climate, Volcanoes have been producing gigatonnes of it for years.
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