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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Bizzare » September 12th, 2012, 8:28 pm

AdamB wrote:
bluefete wrote:Agreed. But if atheists/agnostics do not believe in God, why call His name in times of trouble or even as a figure of speech?

Why not say - Oh "Richard Dawkins"? :P

There is a prophetic narration (hadith) that all of the souls of the children of Adam were extracted and ALL were made to witness "laa ilaaha ill Allaah", that "there is no (true) god except ALLAAH (God Almighty)".

So, possibly deep within our mind we all know that GOD exists and life threatening events "reminds" us somehow!!??

dude, If someone grew up in a culture where "oh god" was NOT a regularly used phrased, do you think it will be used automatically in times of trouble. Do you really think there's any thought of God in one's mind when they say "Oh God"??
I guess "ouch", is a call out to some unknown God too, cuz ppl always say that when dey bounce dey big toe :roll:

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Chimera » September 12th, 2012, 10:51 pm

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MG Man wrote:based on bluefete's logic, my god has many names..........[edited]


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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 12th, 2012, 11:32 pm

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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:It is mutually exclusive when you want to literally follow scripture.

How else are we to follow scripture? In what manner did GOD intend for us to follow HIS scriptures, if not literally? Would GOD reveal scripture and then say don't follow it "literally"? Well, you said literally, Muslims say "ON THEIR OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD MEANING/S".

When it is not followed this way, it leads to many misguided sects because each one wants to follow their interpretation, their desire!! It has happened to ALL RELIGIONS including Islam but we know who are the "saved sect", the ones on the true and correct guidance.
and I fully agree with you there! How are we to know what should be taken literally and what shouldnt!

logically EVERYTHING in a text considered to be the word of God should be taken literally.

however you missed my entire point as usual: if you take scripture literally then the Adam and Eve story of creation does not conform to evolution, so you cannot say that evolution is a process that God put into motion. Evolution shows that humans are evolved primates that, like all life, evolved from single celled organisms.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 12th, 2012, 11:42 pm

bluefete wrote:But was it not the Scientists who had people believing the world was flat???

But the clergy also did a hatchet job on the people back then because many were illiterate. So they put out what they wanted people to believe and anyone who disagreed - well- check the Inquisition.
ah! see that is the difference between science and religion

science gathers available facts and comes up with a conclusion while religion starts with a conclusion and then scholars try to find facts that support it but throw out everything else.

with this process the conclusion that scientists have can and will change when new facts are discovered while in religion the conclusion never changes regardless of what new facts are discovered.

what you mentioned above BTW does not follow the true scientific process

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 12th, 2012, 11:52 pm

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Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
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But isn't it interesting, Duane, that these same people never say "Oh Devil!!!"

Somehow they always call out to God at the relevant times.
what? :lol:

why would they say "oh devil"?

as far as I know atheists do not believe the devil / satan exists either

because someone does not believe in God does not mean they worship the devil!



Agreed. But if atheists/agnostics do not believe in God, why call His name in times of trouble or even as a figure of speech?

Why not say - Oh "Richard Dawkins"? :P
*sigh*

it is no different from them saying "oh sh!t" or "oh snap", it is a figure of speech, prose that has caught on culturally and is as ubiquitous as "ent" is to trini dialect.

and is it really that difficult to grasp that atheists and agnostics do not need a figure head to call upon? Why even suggest that they would want to say "Oh Richard Dawkins?"

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 13th, 2012, 12:02 am

AdamB wrote:There is a prophetic narration (hadith) that all of the souls of the children of Adam were extracted and ALL were made to witness "laa ilaaha ill Allaah", that "there is no (true) god except ALLAAH (God Almighty)".

So, possibly deep within our mind we all know that GOD exists and life threatening events "reminds" us somehow!!??
yes I heard this before

it explains why Muslims say someone has "reverted" instead of "converted" to Islam. 8-)

If this produces such a "reminder", why then do tribes that are left alone, uncontacted, not develop even a crude form of Islam or at least Abrahamic type religion that was there prior to the revelation of the Qur'an?

When Columbus and others found the Amerindians on this side of the world they were eating pork and practicing polytheism.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby bluefete » September 13th, 2012, 6:30 am

ABA Trading LTD wrote:
bluefete wrote:
MG Man wrote:based on bluefete's logic, my god has many names..........[edited]


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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Chimera » September 13th, 2012, 7:19 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
bluefete wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
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But isn't it interesting, Duane, that these same people never say "Oh Devil!!!"

Somehow they always call out to God at the relevant times.
what? :lol:

why would they say "oh devil"?

as far as I know atheists do not believe the devil / satan exists either

because someone does not believe in God does not mean they worship the devil!



Agreed. But if atheists/agnostics do not believe in God, why call His name in times of trouble or even as a figure of speech?

Why not say - Oh "Richard Dawkins"? :P
*sigh*

it is no different from them saying "oh sh!t" or "oh snap", it is a figure of speech, prose that has caught on culturally and is as ubiquitous as "ent" is to trini dialect.

and is it really that difficult to grasp that atheists and agnostics do not need a figure head to call upon? Why even suggest that they would want to say "Oh Richard Dawkins?"



someone saying "Oh God" is no different from someone saying "oh sheit" ??

interesting :shock: :shock:

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby AdamB » September 13th, 2012, 9:19 am

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
AdamB wrote:There is a prophetic narration (hadith) that all of the souls of the children of Adam were extracted and ALL were made to witness "laa ilaaha ill Allaah", that "there is no (true) god except ALLAAH (God Almighty)".

So, possibly deep within our mind we all know that GOD exists and life threatening events "reminds" us somehow!!??
yes I heard this before

it explains why Muslims say someone has "reverted" instead of "converted" to Islam. 8-)

If this produces such a "reminder", why then do tribes that are left alone, uncontacted, not develop even a crude form of Islam or at least Abrahamic type religion that was there prior to the revelation of the Qur'an?

When Columbus and others found the Amerindians on this side of the world they were eating pork and practicing polytheism.

It's not the details of the religion they would develop but the belief that there is ONE TRUE GOD and that HE ALONE is to be worshipped. This is what ALL REVEALED scriptures are supposed to have as the core belief originating from GOD before some of them were changed TO SUIT THEIR MISGUIDED DESIRES. (This is a discussion so I don't have to provide proof. It is what Islam teaches / muslims believe.)

I remember a Shaykh gave a Friday sermon once and he made reference to natives in the jungle who lived / conformed to the natural inclination. They would have believed in GOD who is ALL POWERFUL, ALL LIVING. Then there came missionaries telling them that GOD died to save them. So the natural response from them were "these people stupid or what, eh, we supposed to believe in a god who would die, who could be killed? what kinda god is that? these white people real idiotic!!" Well hope yuh get the drift. The point is that most believe and don't think or question because it is the norm that was always there.

WRT the polytheism, you know from "stories" in the scriptures that the true believers are modest and quiet and the loud mouthed, aggressive ones runamock and take over the show. Like when Moses went up to Mt Sinai. Or the way of the King or ruler goes (Like King James?) So that's what possible happened with the native civilizations. What you see engraved on walls, etc does not necessarily mean that ALL of them had the same belief or the belief of monotheism did not exist among some or that there was not some one from among them who called to ONENESS OF GOD.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby AdamB » September 13th, 2012, 9:26 am

MG Man wrote:
megadoc1 wrote:
AdamB wrote:
megadoc1 wrote:
AdamB wrote:A true story. About 3 yrs ago, an old (catholic) school friend of mine was held up by bandits, robbed and tied up and put in the trunk of his car. The bandits lit the car (with fire eh) and fled. He was saved but sustained burns on his hands while trying to escape. (May Allah save us from such a horrible trial).

Afterwards, I asked him when he was in that situation, "Who did you turn to? On whom did you place your trust (mentally and verbally)?" I was thinking ok he would say GOD the father or the son (Jesus).

He said he called on his "ANCESTORS" to save him (his dead ancestors who are buried in their graves)!! He said it's what Catholics believe.

Megadoc, can you confirm?
nah! that not roman Catholicism but probably a mixture of another religion..but if he did say saint jude, saint megadoc or saintt duane then maybe
but you see again the need for you to know what the other religious belief are so you won't
find yourself making these kinds of mistakes...or it can very well come across a an opportunity for you to thread on another religion based on errant beliefs but this will only work against you

What's the virtue of Saint Jude?

some people hold the saints at a very high esteem its a traditional thing with certain groups within Christianity ..but please don't mix it with the actual belief system of Christianity
do some research on it


he is doing exactly what he claims people do to his religion, ie judge incorrectly
the dude is one messed up sada roti

Mr Fry Aloo,
That's why I asking the questions, we verify information first before judging and spreading rumours.

Megadoc,
What does "high esteem" mean? What is this "traditional thing" and who practises it, if not Roman Catholics?

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby AdamB » September 13th, 2012, 9:28 am

bluefete wrote:
ABA Trading LTD wrote:
bluefete wrote:
MG Man wrote:based on bluefete's logic, my god has many names..........[edited]


When you are dancing in the friendly flames, I don't want to be anywhere close to you.



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I was waiting for this. :D

That's the VALUE some bring to the discussion here.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby AdamB » September 13th, 2012, 9:31 am

megadoc1 wrote:
AdamB wrote:A true story. About 3 yrs ago, an old (catholic) school friend of mine was held up by bandits, robbed and tied up and put in the trunk of his car. The bandits lit the car (with fire eh) and fled. He was saved but sustained burns on his hands while trying to escape. (May Allah save us from such a horrible trial).

Afterwards, I asked him when he was in that situation, "Who did you turn to? On whom did you place your trust (mentally and verbally)?" I was thinking ok he would say GOD the father or the son (Jesus).

He said he called on his "ANCESTORS" to save him (his dead ancestors who are buried in their graves)!! He said it's what Catholics believe.

Megadoc, can you confirm?
nah! that not roman Catholicism but probably a mixture of another religion..but if he did say saint jude, saint megadoc or saintt duane then maybe
but you see again the need for you to know what the other religious belief are so you won't
find yourself making these kinds of mistakes...or it can very well come across a an opportunity for you to thread on another religion based on errant beliefs but this will only work against you

Megadoc,
Starting to sound like Dspike now??!!! LOL

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 13th, 2012, 10:28 am

ABA Trading LTD wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
bluefete wrote:Agreed. But if atheists/agnostics do not believe in God, why call His name in times of trouble or even as a figure of speech?

Why not say - Oh "Richard Dawkins"? :P
*sigh*

it is no different from them saying "oh sh!t" or "oh snap", it is a figure of speech, prose that has caught on culturally and is as ubiquitous as "ent" is to trini dialect.

and is it really that difficult to grasp that atheists and agnostics do not need a figure head to call upon? Why even suggest that they would want to say "Oh Richard Dawkins?"



someone saying "Oh God" is no different from someone saying "oh sheit" ??

interesting :shock: :shock:
I did not say that!

I said "oh sh!t" or "oh snap" are figures of speech and if an atheist were to say "oh god" is would also be a figure of speech since they do not believe in God.

far different from a God fearing person saying "oh God!" or "oh Allah!"

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Chimera » September 13th, 2012, 10:43 am

AdamB wrote:
bluefete wrote:
ABA Trading LTD wrote:
bluefete wrote:
MG Man wrote:based on bluefete's logic, my god has many names..........[edited]


When you are dancing in the friendly flames, I don't want to be anywhere close to you.



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I was waiting for this. :D

That's the VALUE some bring to the discussion here.




you bringing any value to this? have you done anything besides copy and paste from various islamic websites and make islam look like a bunch of idiots ?

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby pioneer » September 13th, 2012, 10:44 am

Did someone say Al-Haqq....isn't that the bbq guy?

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » September 13th, 2012, 10:52 am

AdamB wrote:
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:
AdamB wrote:There is a prophetic narration (hadith) that all of the souls of the children of Adam were extracted and ALL were made to witness "laa ilaaha ill Allaah", that "there is no (true) god except ALLAAH (God Almighty)".

So, possibly deep within our mind we all know that GOD exists and life threatening events "reminds" us somehow!!??
yes I heard this before

it explains why Muslims say someone has "reverted" instead of "converted" to Islam. 8-)

If this produces such a "reminder", why then do tribes that are left alone, uncontacted, not develop even a crude form of Islam or at least Abrahamic type religion that was there prior to the revelation of the Qur'an?

When Columbus and others found the Amerindians on this side of the world they were eating pork and practicing polytheism.

It's not the details of the religion they would develop but the belief that there is ONE TRUE GOD and that HE ALONE is to be worshipped. This is what ALL REVEALED scriptures are supposed to have as the core belief originating from GOD before some of them were changed TO SUIT THEIR MISGUIDED DESIRES. (This is a discussion so I don't have to provide proof. It is what Islam teaches / muslims believe.)

I remember a Shaykh gave a Friday sermon once and he made reference to natives in the jungle who lived / conformed to the natural inclination. They would have believed in GOD who is ALL POWERFUL, ALL LIVING. Then there came missionaries telling them that GOD died to save them. So the natural response from them were "these people stupid or what, eh, we supposed to believe in a god who would die, who could be killed? what kinda god is that? these white people real idiotic!!" Well hope yuh get the drift. The point is that most believe and don't think or question because it is the norm that was always there.

WRT the polytheism, you know from "stories" in the scriptures that the true believers are modest and quiet and the loud mouthed, aggressive ones runamock and take over the show. Like when Moses went up to Mt Sinai. Or the way of the King or ruler goes (Like King James?) So that's what possible happened with the native civilizations. What you see engraved on walls, etc does not necessarily mean that ALL of them had the same belief or the belief of monotheism did not exist among some or that there was not some one from among them who called to ONENESS OF GOD.
You sure you want to say that?

what you see engraved is the talk of " loud mouthed, aggressive ones runamock and take over the show"? What about the ones who write books for everyone to follow?
It isn't wise to generalise.

Anyway not all tribes history and practices were lost and only discovered by wall carvings and artifacts. ALOT of tribes such as Caribs and Arawaks still have religion and practices and traditions handed down from generation to generation up to today.

Alot of indigenous tribes practice polytheism - infact newly discovered tribes in Brazil are found practicing polytheism.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby d spike » September 13th, 2012, 11:01 am

d spike wrote:
AdamB wrote:Muslims are critical of Christians because they innovated and strayed from the religion of GOD brought to them by Jesus, following misguidance not substantiated by firm knowledge.

Since you wish to bring this up again, let us take a closer look at this erroneous nonsense about the followers of the Bible.


Muslim jurists and scholars suffer from being torn between accepting the Bible as scripture and denying and attacking the very same Bible as the corrupted and unreliable word of God. This didn't happen with the first Muslims until they actually read the Bible for themselves and only then compared it to the Koran - written more than six hundred years after the birth of Christianity, and three hundred years after the collation of scriptures now known as the Bible - the very scripture that they believed confirmed the scriptures of the Jews and Christians:

It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus). (Surah 3:3 Yusuf Ali)

And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone. (Surah 2:41 Yusuf Ali)

And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not. (Surah 2:101 Pickthall)

O ye unto whom the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed. (Surah 4:47 Pickthall)

And unto thee have We revealed the Scripture with the truth, confirming whatever Scripture was before it, and a watcher over it. (Surah 5:48 Pickthall)

As for that which We inspire in thee of the Scripture, it is the Truth confirming that which was (revealed) before it. Lo! Allah is indeed Observer, Seer of His slaves. (Surah 35:31 Pickthall)

To solve this problem of conflicting beliefs, Muslims made a distinction between the former and present form of the Bible: they started to claim that the Bible had been tampered with, thus explaining the differences and contradictions between the Koran and the Bible. Remarkably enough, these claims means that Muslims distorted their own scripture when they asserted despite the lack of evidence that the revelations preceding the Koran were no longer in their original form. As shown in some of the verses quoted above, the author of the Koran made it clear that what was confirmed was not lost scriptures, but the very scriptures possessed by Jews and Christians in Muhammed’s era!

The writer of the Koran asked Muhammed’s followers to believe in existing and real books rather than in some lost copies of the previous revelations when he devised the following verse:

Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in Islam)." (Surah 2:136 Yusuf Ali)

Now, with regards to this verse, why did the writer not ask Muslims to believe in the idea of former revelations rather than in the texts if there were any doubts concerning their originality or wished to teach the doctrine of corruption? Are Muslims disobeying the instruction to consider all the revelations equal, by claiming that the Bible is distorted and not authentic?

I note that this response was ignored by AdamB. I wonder why???

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby AdamB » September 13th, 2012, 5:43 pm

pioneer wrote:Did someone say Al-Haqq....isn't that the bbq guy?

The bbq guy is Al-Haaq NOT AL-HAQQ!!!
According to Bluefete, "The Friendly Flames" will be Fire for a BBQ.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby MG Man » September 13th, 2012, 6:00 pm

and ignored again!

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby megadoc1 » September 13th, 2012, 6:43 pm

AdamB wrote:
Megadoc,
What does "high esteem" mean? What is this "traditional thing" and who practises it, if not Roman Catholics?
megadoc1 wrote:do some research on it


AdamB wrote:Megadoc,
Starting to sound like Dspike now??!!! LOL
I must admit, I admire the man style.... the best I can do is imitate :lol: ..but take yuh time and respond to his post nah its very intresting...again take yuh time

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Humes » September 13th, 2012, 7:15 pm

ABA Trading LTD wrote:
AdamB wrote:That's the VALUE some bring to the discussion here.




you bringing any value to this? have you done anything besides copy and paste from various islamic websites and make islam look like a bunch of idiots ?



:lol: :lol:

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Stephon. » September 13th, 2012, 7:57 pm

Today a pastor was talking to me while going through my iPod. He was aaking me why I had so many songs and no Gospel music.

So I told him because I don't listen to Gospel music, though I did admit that I do like some Gospel songs.

Then he pulled out his tablet and started quoting Bible verses for me :/

Then I asked him "why so you get haircuts and shave your facial hair?"

He gave me an answer, then I quoted Leviticus 19:27 that condems shaving your facial hair.

Then he gave me some religious mumbo jumbo about how there are x amount of books etc etc. And why that book was invalid. Then I asked him if I would be wrong to get a tattoo. His reply was "yeah the Bible said tattoos are marking your skin, your body is a temple" etc etc. More BS religious talk. Then I quoted. Leviticus 19:28 (the same book he said wasn't "accurate" just 2 minutes ago) that said that you shouldn't mark your skin. Which drove to my question, why is it OK for you to ignore one sentense in a book that says you shouldn't shave, but on the same page, they're saying that tattoos are basically wrong and you choose to follow THAT word. Weird that a pastor is picking and choosing what he wants to basically judge people for, even if its in the same exact page in the Bible.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby MG Man » September 13th, 2012, 8:09 pm

and there in a nutshell, is Islam :p

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby brams112 » September 13th, 2012, 8:18 pm

Stephon. wrote:Today a pastor was talking to me while going through my iPod. He was aaking me why I had so many songs and no Gospel music.

So I told him because I don't listen to Gospel music, though I did admit that I do like some Gospel songs.

Then he pulled out his tablet and started quoting Bible verses for me :/

Then I asked him "why so you get haircuts and shave your facial hair?"

He gave me an answer, then I quoted Leviticus 19:27 that condems shaving your facial hair.

Then he gave me some religious mumbo jumbo about how there are x amount of books etc etc. And why that book was invalid. Then I asked him if I would be wrong to get a tattoo. His reply was "yeah the Bible said tattoos are marking your skin, your body is a temple" etc etc. More BS religious talk. Then I quoted. Leviticus 19:28 (the same book he said wasn't "accurate" just 2 minutes ago) that said that you shouldn't mark your skin. Which drove to my question, why is it OK for you to ignore one sentense in a book that says you shouldn't shave, but on the same page, they're saying that tattoos are basically wrong and you choose to follow THAT word. Weird that a pastor is picking and choosing what he wants to basically judge people for, even if its in the same exact page in the Bible.

Did he get angry or looked agitated when you quoted what you knew?because i know plenty people get angry when they are trying to put something to you and you are telling them about what you read in the same book they are talking about.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Stephon. » September 13th, 2012, 8:30 pm

He was pissed off, I didn't care though.

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby brams112 » September 13th, 2012, 8:42 pm

Stephon. wrote:He was pissed off, I didn't care though.

:lol: :lol: :lol: What i can't understand is why can't they carry on a discussion and exchange ideas about the topic at hand,without being angry,or feel they know everything. :)

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby megadoc1 » September 13th, 2012, 8:58 pm

Stephon. wrote:Today a pastor was talking to me while going through my iPod. He was aaking me why I had so many songs and no Gospel music.

So I told him because I don't listen to Gospel music, though I did admit that I do like some Gospel songs.

Then he pulled out his tablet and started quoting Bible verses for me :/

Then I asked him "why so you get haircuts and shave your facial hair?"

He gave me an answer, then I quoted Leviticus 19:27 that condems shaving your facial hair.

Then he gave me some religious mumbo jumbo about how there are x amount of books etc etc. And why that book was invalid. Then I asked him if I would be wrong to get a tattoo. His reply was "yeah the Bible said tattoos are marking your skin, your body is a temple" etc etc. More BS religious talk. Then I quoted. Leviticus 19:28 (the same book he said wasn't "accurate" just 2 minutes ago) that said that you shouldn't mark your skin. Which drove to my question, why is it OK for you to ignore one sentense in a book that says you shouldn't shave, but on the same page, they're saying that tattoos are basically wrong and you choose to follow THAT word. Weird that a pastor is picking and choosing what he wants to basically judge people for, even if its in the same exact page in the Bible.

what kind of pastor is that? ...and your line of questioning shows that you don't understand the christian faith!!!! but if you are up t it we can go thru them..let me give you a hint those instructions were for those under the law (please adam b don't take this to mean that Christians don't have a moral standard ) most Christians would have been gentiles and are under grace! do you want to discuss this stephon ?



A lil history
Act 14:26 And thence sailed to Antioch, from whence they had been recommended to the grace of God for the work which they fulfilled.
Act 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.
Act 14:28 And there they abode long time with the disciples.
Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia:
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Act 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
Act 15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.
Act 15:33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.




now you can go read between Leviticus and acts to get and idea of what took place

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Re: The Religion Discussion

Postby Humes » September 14th, 2012, 7:39 am

megadoc1 wrote:let me give you a hint those instructions were for those under the law (please adam b don't take this to mean that Christians don't have a moral standard ) most Christians would have been gentiles and are under grace!


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hear nah...alyuh men so fulla sh!t it does amaze me sometimes yuh know.

That same passage you just quote there has invalidated countless arguments you've made and "sins" you've condemned in this thread (and will surely condemn again).

Worse than lawyers, yes. Bullsh!tters.
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