The Religion Discussion

[Bizzare]

It`s like me asking why are you alive Duane, I am a Christian because I choose to be,I have had many personal experience with God over my life time and have developed a relationship with him I recognise his voice as well as a man may recognise the voice of his wife in a crowd,I respect the views of the atheists and agnostics and while I may not agree with them I treat them with the respect they deserve.I think that the problem that many people have is that they try to convert people to a particular religion and that is not their job,they can however share their experiences if the person is WILLING to hear. May I humbly ask what is ur persuasion and why if you care to share along with anyone else who may care to share before they proceed to bash my response to ur question.

Nice attempt at making your post bash proof but I don't care to appear humble and respecting in a thread like this though, so I'll be the first to "proceed to bash your response".


You said you respect the views of atheist and agnostics. You RESPECT their views. You said you respect them, fine.... but you also said you respect their views!!

Respect
Noun:A feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Verb: Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

I don't think Jesus respected the views of non believers while here on earth nor does he respect their views today. B4 you posted you probably asked yourself how would Jesus post. But no, according to the bible, tolerance isn't really as Godly and humble as you're thinking it to be. By respecting their views, your actually going against the word of God and not doing the will of the father. As Godly / humble / peaceful your compromising approach may seem in your post above its not lining up with the very book you claim to live by.

By your own admission, and in your own words, there is a level of disrespect and ridicule in the bible then, I guess?

[AdamB]

i dont believe in hell but believe that it hv a god what that makes me ?

A Jehovah Witness or follower of your own desire!

[marlener]

I don`t think you are attacking me at all sorry if it came across that way,I think we all have a choice.I actually think that you are one of the more serious contributors to the thread while there are some who are here for argument and ridicule.
What prompted the taking of the first communion btw.
@ AdamB there is a time and a season for everything under the sun.Sometimes being slow to speak is wisdom,but I didn`t know there was a designated time to enter the thread discussion,will have to consult with OP and admin and be guided accordingly.

[daniel135]

def. not a witness lol i just believe that it has a god and he wont burn his creation

[marlener]

Care to share what are ur persuasions Bizzare? If it`s one thing being on tuner reminds you is there are no bash proof posts. I respect their choice.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

What amazes me is that this "religion discussion" thread is flooded with atheists!! If they are so sure of their disbelief, then what is it that motivates them to participate in this discussion?

(Some) Believers have a cause, which is to hope that disbelievers are guided to GOD Almighty. Why would the latter be bothered to even login and check what's going on here?

It just doesn't add up!!

Also, why isn't there more followers of religion? Like a couple of newbies, one who said he/she has been following this thread for a long time. Why haven't they participated before? Why aren't they participating?

I think the atheists are amazed at the things that religious people believe in and amused at how illogical it sounds to them.

Scientology is a religion. Did you know that Scientologists believe that a being called Xenu was the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the essences of these many people remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm.

yes a DC-8 like this, but without the engines


Imagine how silly the story of Adam and Eve sounds to them!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I don`t think you are attacking me at all sorry if it came across that way,I think we all have a choice.I actually think that you are one of the more serious contributors to the thread while there are some who are here for argument and ridicule.
What prompted the taking of the first communion btw.

I was 7, the age to take first communion

[AdamB]

def. not a witness lol i just believe that it has a god and he wont burn his creation

Are you the follower of a particular church denomination, meaning their phylosophy/belief system?

Possibly you haven't seen the wisdom in why GOD would punish HIS creation to that extent. Then where is the justice? What happens to criminals, sinners And polytheists? Will they cease to exist or just not be rewarded like others?

Don't you follow the Bible and isn't hell affirmed in it? We muslims say that if we disbelieve in one verse or word or letter of the Quran, then that person has disbelieved. Is not the same applicable to Christians, sorry followers of the bible?

[dregz]

Ikhlas for the sake of Allah and 'Ittibah of the Messenger will lead to them.

Also, the scholars will know the scholars. Think about it.

Why call me KIND Sir?

In my profession and the country i reside in at present, when we say kind Sir, it is being respectful, if i offended you, apologies.

Ikhlas and 'Ittibah is what exactly?

[AdamB]

Ikhlas for the sake of Allah and 'Ittibah of the Messenger will lead to them.

Also, the scholars will know the scholars. Think about it.

Why call me KIND Sir?

In my profession and the country i reside in at present, when we say kind Sir, it is being respectful, if i offended you, apologies.

Ikhlas and 'Ittibah is what exactly?

"Kind Sir" is not something that a Trini would normally say, so sometimes you have to wonder if it's a way of criticizing.

Sincerity and Following/Obedience respectively.

[Bizzare]

Care to share what are ur persuasions Bizzare? If it`s one thing being on tuner reminds you is there are no bash proof posts. I respect their choice.

I grew up in a strict (VERY STRICT) Christian family. I question the bible daily and those around me often have no concrete answers. I questioned grounded Muslims already an they too cannot answer half my questions. Anything that cannot be answered, "faith" is used as a scapegoat as far as I see it. I do believe there is a God however.

I'm stateless when it comes to religion and realized that finding truth beyond the natural is impossible. I continue to study the bible and seek truth though. Just today I was telling my mom and sis that I'm still waiting to hear from God after xx years (my age).
People like AdamB have to be extremely arrogant to believe that a book handed down to them is all that there is to life. I myself can write a book and have it handed down to the next generation in Trinidad. With no contact to the outside world, that's all they'd grow up to know and they'll believe. In the olden days it was extremely easy to create a belief. People find comfort in their many beliefs and that to me is important. I've seen religion help padnas of mine resist the lanate after a break up. I'm glad he found religion and I've seen how believing in the unknaown can bring comfort to a human being so much that they'll defend it like their lives depend on it (AdamB)

[AdamB]

Ikhlas for the sake of Allah and 'Ittibah of the Messenger will lead to them.

Also, the scholars will know the scholars. Think about it.

Why call me KIND Sir?

In my profession and the country i reside in at present, when we say kind Sir, it is being respectful, if i offended you, apologies.

Ikhlas and 'Ittibah is what exactly?

"Kind Sir" is not something that a Trini would normally say, so sometimes you have to wonder if it's a way of criticizing.

Sincerity and Following/Obedience respectively.

Corruption of intent And corruption of knowledge leads people away from the middle path.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Was the wine much better than the bread?
Didn't you have a "personal relationship" with GOD after consuming the body and blood?

What I am asking is: are you a rum cork? And don't catholics have this "personal" thing with their god like other christian sects? If you didn't, was something wrong with you?

I see ignorance but hope it is sarcasm.

You do understand that it is purely symbolic and it is grape juice that is served. In fact most communion in Catholic Churches often only have bread in the form of a small disc like wafer.

Don't you feel a personal connection to Allah when you make dua asking him for forgiveness and favors? It is different from salaah and much more personal, not so?

[Bizzare]

AdamB's arrogance reminds me of a typical Muslim individual.... I dunno why? If he was a Muslim, any non-believer in his presence would be drawn further away from Islam.

[AdamB]

Care to share what are ur persuasions Bizzare? If it`s one thing being on tuner reminds you is there are no bash proof posts. I respect their choice.

I grew up in a strict (VERY STRICT) Christian family. I question the bible daily and those around me often have no concrete answers. I questioned grounded Muslims already an they too cannot answer half my questions. Anything that cannot be answered, "faith" is used as a scapegoat as far as I see it. I do believe there is a God however.

I'm stateless when it comes to religion and realized that finding truth beyond the natural is impossible. I continue to study the bible and seek truth though. Just today I was telling my mom and sis that I'm still waiting to hear from God after xx years (my age).
People like AdamB have to be extremely arrogant to believe that a book handed down to them is all that there is to life. I myself can write a book and have it handed down to the next generation in Trinidad. With no contact to the outside world, that's all they'd grow up to know and they'll believe. In the olden days it was extremely easy to create a belief. People find comfort in their many beliefs and that to me is important. I've seen religion help padnas of mine resist the lanate after a break up. I'm glad he found religion and I've seen how believing in the unknaown can bring comfort to a human being so much that they'll defend it like their lives depend on it (AdamB)

You say "extremely arrogant", I say "absolute certainty".
After xxyrs, GOD hasn't called out to you loud enough for you to hear him? Why not try the Quran for a change and open up ypur heart and your mind? You mau find the answers you seek or see how HE has chosen to communicate with you. What have you got to lose?

Try something different! Is a definition of "Insanity" to do the same thing expecting different results?

[dregz]

"Kind Sir" is not something that a Trini would normally say, so sometimes you have to wonder if it's a way of criticizing.

Sincerity and Following/Obedience respectively.

So it is a subjective manner of choosing a scholar according to your response?

[dregz]

@AdamB how is the average Joe like me supposed to recognize a true scholar?

[Bizzare]

AdamB does Allah communicate with you?

[stickman]

It`s like me asking why are you alive Duane, I am a Christian because I choose to be,I have had many personal experience with God over my life time and have developed a relationship with him I recognise his voice as well as a man may recognise the voice of his wife in a crowd,I respect the views of the atheists and agnostics and while I may not agree with them I treat them with the respect they deserve.I think that the problem that many people have is that they try to convert people to a particular religion and that is not their job,they can however share their experiences if the person is WILLING to hear. May I humbly ask what is ur persuasion and why if you care to share along with anyone else who may care to share before they proceed to bash my response to ur question.

So... you're saying you talked to God?

[AdamB]

@AdamB how is the average Joe like me supposed to recognize a true scholar?

Seek knowledge, educate yourself, don't confine yourself to any particular group, as your imam or scholar what is the basis for their statements (Quran and Sunnah)? Ask them : is there difference of opinion or ruling on particular matters?

A lot of scholars, well in Trinidad, students of knowledge they state their views but are not honest to say that there are differing opinions or rulings. When these exist, there is such a thing as the srtongest opinion or ruling based on the evidence.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

We have proof that ASJA and others are wrong but that's the nature of humans to follow their desires despite seeing the clear evidence right in front of their eyes.

and what proof is that? Where is the clear evidence?

The same goes for ALL other deviant sects and religions

You claim they are deviant and they claim you are deviant, yet neither of you can prove this.

There is supposed to be ONLY ONE RELIGION, ISLAM.

Christians believe their's is the true religion, Hindus believe their's is.

Yet they all have the same proof



so I'm asking again, what makes you right and them wrong?
Personal faith?

[Bizzare]

don't confine yourself to any particular group

How come you're not applying this principle to religion on the whole?

[AdamB]

AdamB does Allah communicate with you?

No and HE doesn't need to, NEITHER for HIS sake NOR for mine.

The Quran is HIS words, that HE spoke, so in a way HE does. But I don't say that I have seen HIM or felt HIM or the like. He has informed us about Himself in the Quran (His Names and Attributes).

I don't need those things to be obedient to HIM (to follow HIS legislation/Islamic Shariah), to know that HE exists. To know that HIS PROMISE IS TRUE!

I don't need to see HIM to worship HIM, I don't need an image or the like.

What did Jesus use to worship GOD? Did to prostrate to HIM? Did he fall on his face?

Its easy to persons to misinterpret the intention of posts. I have no malice towards anyone, I am not here to bash.

If I am accused of ignorance, isn't that defined as "lack of knowledge". Aren't we here to find out?

[Bizzare]

AdamB is really beginning to sound really weak now. Watch how his last resort is going to be "faith". Unless he haz teh ballz to claim some supernatural occurrence that led him to believe. Funny how he's calling everyone to try Islam, but rejects the calls from others to try their faith.

[Bizzare]

AdamB does Allah communicate with you?

No and HE doesn't need to, NEITHER for HIS sake NOR for mine.

The Quran is HIS words, that HE spoke, so in a way HE does. But I don't say that I have seen HIM or felt HIM or the like. He has informed us about Himself in the Quran (His Names and Attributes).

I don't need those things to be obedient to HIM (to follow HIS legislation/Islamic Shariah), to know that HE exists. To know that HIS PROMISE IS TRUE!

I don't need to see HIM to worship HIM, I don't need an image or the like.

What did Jesus use to worship GOD? Did to prostrate to HIM? Did he fall on his face?

Its easy to persons to misinterpret the intention of posts. I have no malice towards anyone, I am not here to bash.

If I am accused of ignorance, isn't that defined as "lack of knowledge". Aren't we here to find out?

Ok so you have never experienced Allah in a way no one else has. What you're saying is the only thing he left you with to believe that he is real is a book. So what makes Islam the truth over Christianity then. They got a book that claims to be the truth also. In fact, they claim supernatural interventions, which is a better argument than someone who just decides to choose a book and believe on it without any form of proof as you've basically described above there.

[Bizzare]

So my question again is, what is your proof that Islam is the way? If you don't need anything to prove to you that it's the truth, then you basically just chose to believe in this one specific book. At least Christians claim a divine intervention. You just simply......... chose Islam.

[Bizzare]

You last post still has me in awe of how religion can have a man ignorant. Did you read what you just said. You're saying you don't need any proof...NONE AT ALL, you just know that Islam is the truth. Not even a feeling in the gut as some would claim? You just know that this book is true and you chose to defend it with your life. Smh....

[maj. tom]

So what if this Allah "wrote" the Koran and went along on his merry way and has had nothing to do with anything in our sector of the Universe since. Because we sure don't see any evidence of him in our present or any human logic on the faith-based claims.

The Universe is very large. There are huge Supervoids that he could have got lost in and not be out before the end of the life of a black hole.

[dregz]

@AdamB how is the average Joe like me supposed to recognize a true scholar?

Seek knowledge, educate yourself, don't confine yourself to any particular group, as your imam or scholar what is the basis for their statements (Quran and Sunnah)? Ask them : is there difference of opinion or ruling on particular matters?

A lot of scholars, well in Trinidad, students of knowledge they state their views but are not honest to say that there are differing opinions or rulings. When these exist, there is such a thing as the srtongest opinion or ruling based on the evidence.

Are you a scholar?

[Bizzare]

There are huge Supervoids that he could have got lost in and not be out before the end of the life of a black hole.

Quran - The Extended Edition