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it is ok to say you don't knowAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Why does God have use of a throne and a footstool?
Try asking that to the ONE who owns it and has encompassed it!!
All Created things has a purpose, a purpose not without wisdom.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:it is ok to say you don't knowAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Why does God have use of a throne and a footstool?
Try asking that to the ONE who owns it and has encompassed it!!
All Created things has a purpose, a purpose not without wisdom.
I agree to that everything has a purpose.
I'm not sure why you are not answering my other question though
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:it is ok to say you don't knowAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Why does God have use of a throne and a footstool?
Try asking that to the ONE who owns it and has encompassed it!!
All Created things has a purpose, a purpose not without wisdom.
I agree to that everything has a purpose.
I'm not sure why you are not answering my other question though
pioneer wrote:Is there solid evidence of the afterlife as it's called?
sounds like a scientific process!AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:it is ok to say you don't knowAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Why does God have use of a throne and a footstool?
Try asking that to the ONE who owns it and has encompassed it!!
All Created things has a purpose, a purpose not without wisdom.
I agree to that everything has a purpose.
I'm not sure why you are not answering my other question though
ah trying to be a lil diplomatic in consideration to the guy (stev) who asked the question. If he is sincere and seeks the truth, then that is a journey that no one else can do for him. If he encounters differing opinions, then he needs to decide which is the stronger view by detailed analysis. Anyone who has done financial or quality (ISO) auditing would understand what I am talking about because you look for objective evidence, not speculation.
I advise people to TAKE ADVICE FROM THOSE WHO HAVE THE FRUIT ON THE TREES.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:sounds like a scientific process!AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:it is ok to say you don't knowAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Why does God have use of a throne and a footstool?
Try asking that to the ONE who owns it and has encompassed it!!
All Created things has a purpose, a purpose not without wisdom.
I agree to that everything has a purpose.
I'm not sure why you are not answering my other question though
ah trying to be a lil diplomatic in consideration to the guy (stev) who asked the question. If he is sincere and seeks the truth, then that is a journey that no one else can do for him. If he encounters differing opinions, then he needs to decide which is the stronger view by detailed analysis. Anyone who has done financial or quality (ISO) auditing would understand what I am talking about because you look for objective evidence, not speculation.
I advise people to TAKE ADVICE FROM THOSE WHO HAVE THE FRUIT ON THE TREES.
however in science, when tests are repeated the results should be the same.
megadoc1 and bluefete stated much earlier in this discussion that the Bible contained the strongest views and most objective evidence.
So my question still stands.
what makes one book right and another wrong?
http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/assad-s-forces-accused-massacre-near-syrian-capital-5046917The United Nations estimates that more than 18,000 people have been killed in the conflict that pits a mainly Sunni Muslim opposition against a ruling system dominated by the Assad family - members of the Alawite faith, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:sounds like a scientific process!AdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:it is ok to say you don't knowAdamB wrote:Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Why does God have use of a throne and a footstool?
Try asking that to the ONE who owns it and has encompassed it!!
All Created things has a purpose, a purpose not without wisdom.
I agree to that everything has a purpose.
I'm not sure why you are not answering my other question though
ah trying to be a lil diplomatic in consideration to the guy (stev) who asked the question. If he is sincere and seeks the truth, then that is a journey that no one else can do for him. If he encounters differing opinions, then he needs to decide which is the stronger view by detailed analysis. Anyone who has done financial or quality (ISO) auditing would understand what I am talking about because you look for objective evidence, not speculation.
I advise people to TAKE ADVICE FROM THOSE WHO HAVE THE FRUIT ON THE TREES.
however in science, when tests are repeated the results should be the same.
megadoc1 and bluefete stated much earlier in this discussion that the Bible contained the strongest views and most objective evidence.
So my question still stands.
what makes one book right and another wrong?
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ deeds?
looking right now looking at Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Afghanistan, Iraq, gender inequality in Saudi Arabia etc etc
This was posted 25 minutes ago on news siteshttp://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/assad-s-forces-accused-massacre-near-syrian-capital-5046917The United Nations estimates that more than 18,000 people have been killed in the conflict that pits a mainly Sunni Muslim opposition against a ruling system dominated by the Assad family - members of the Alawite faith, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.
I do not want to join you in saying one religion is right and another wrong - I am only trying to understand how this can be so, when they all believe they are right and the other is wrong.
The only answer I have found so far is the word that I underlined.
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ deeds?
looking right now looking at Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Afghanistan, Iraq, gender inequality in Saudi Arabia etc etc
This was posted 25 minutes ago on news siteshttp://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/assad-s-forces-accused-massacre-near-syrian-capital-5046917The United Nations estimates that more than 18,000 people have been killed in the conflict that pits a mainly Sunni Muslim opposition against a ruling system dominated by the Assad family - members of the Alawite faith, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.
I do not want to join you in saying one religion is right and another wrong - I am only trying to understand how this can be so, when they all believe they are right and the other is wrong.
The only answer I have found so far is the word that I underlined.
AdamB wrote:pioneer wrote:But adam islam has a fundamental flaw because the koran claims mohammed ascended to the (how many?) heavens...clearly the word ascend according to a child's dictionary means to go up...rise to a higher point.
So according to what I was told, he left the cave he was in (on planet earth) and ascended to the heavens...so it tells me he went up...into the sky...where he met god...
I thought muslims say god or heaven isn't in the sky?
Or was there some hypothetical theory behind this which wasn't translated for us human plebs to understand?
brb contradictions
It depends on the definition of SKY.
There was a night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then he ascended to the heavens. He accurately described Jerusalem to the people. Allah knows best if it was a physical or spiritual journey or both.
pioneer wrote:All of this sounds like sorcery and magic to me, isn't it also a fundamental islamic principle to not believe in those things? How could a man magically move from place to place in such a quick time?
Yet they believe in djinns (ghosts/spirits) etc?
aware me on this contradiction
Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:^ deeds?
looking right now looking at Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Mali, Afghanistan, Iraq, gender inequality in Saudi Arabia etc etc
This was posted 25 minutes ago on news siteshttp://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/assad-s-forces-accused-massacre-near-syrian-capital-5046917The United Nations estimates that more than 18,000 people have been killed in the conflict that pits a mainly Sunni Muslim opposition against a ruling system dominated by the Assad family - members of the Alawite faith, an offshoot of Shi'ite Islam.
I do not want to join you in saying one religion is right and another wrong - I am only trying to understand how this can be so, when they all believe they are right and the other is wrong.
The only answer I have found so far is the word that I underlined.
pioneer wrote:You're right I know alot about islam, that's the exact reason why I can say it's man-made and full of contradictions...just like other religions on the market.
btw i don't believe in any of those items you listed there so keep trying
MG Man wrote:allah knows best when he rocks pakistan with earthquakes that kill in the thousands?
AdamB wrote:pioneer wrote:You're right I know alot about islam, that's the exact reason why I can say it's man-made and full of contradictions...just like other religions on the market.
btw i don't believe in any of those items you listed there so keep trying
You think you do (know a lot about Islam)...and how is that working out for you? All of these issues you are raising are just objections to be resolved, and they can be resolved.
Do you believe in GOD?
If you do, then you try to find HIS WAY that HE wants you to follow.
If you don't, then TO YOU BE YOUR WAY AND TO ME MINE!
AdamB wrote:d spike wrote:When I first started browsing Tuner fairly recently, I used to read Bluefete's "God" thread in amazement (while not the most accurate word, that's the most polite word I can use to describe how I felt), but I never even wished to voice an opinion. This decision was based on my experiences regarding discussions amongst differing faiths. While it sounds like a good idea to compare differences, observe similarities, and generally learn of different ways of looking at the same thing, this never works for religion, unless the persons involved share a strong sense of trust, respect, wisdom and maturity - as well as a very good grasp of language.
Thus it is that whenever average people discuss religion (especially Christianity) it soon turns into either a competition, an evangelistic affair, or a fight - or all three, in that order.
But then someone I know, who is fed up of the nonsense that passes for the fundamentalist view on Tuner, started a 'religiously-themed' thread just to see how foolish these goodly folk could get - and lad, did they ever.
Then I realised that the only view representing those who consider the teachings of the Christ more than just interesting, were a handful of blinded literalists whose only knowledge of scripture was what they were fed.
And here is my conundrum: When I read Bluefete's thread, I was quite certain the spouted nonsense I came across was precisely that - because of what I knew. Suppose I didn't know... then my assumption would be that despite whatever sense Jesus' words might make, his followers are all complete imbeciles. If a drink has a magnificent bouquet, but all who drink it go mad - then bet your last cent I ain't tasting it.
And so I have decided (against the better judgment of most of my peers) to attempt to be the voice of reason - not for the benefit of Bluefete, or Sir Civic, or this Megadoc1... but for the curiously minded who might otherwise shy away from delving into what could result in a better understanding of why we all are here.
d spike wrote:AdamB wrote:d spike wrote:When I first started browsing Tuner fairly recently, I used to read Bluefete's "God" thread in amazement (while not the most accurate word, that's the most polite word I can use to describe how I felt), but I never even wished to voice an opinion. This decision was based on my experiences regarding discussions amongst differing faiths. While it sounds like a good idea to compare differences, observe similarities, and generally learn of different ways of looking at the same thing, this never works for religion, unless the persons involved share a strong sense of trust, respect, wisdom and maturity - as well as a very good grasp of language.
Thus it is that whenever average people discuss religion (especially Christianity) it soon turns into either a competition, an evangelistic affair, or a fight - or all three, in that order.
But then someone I know, who is fed up of the nonsense that passes for the fundamentalist view on Tuner, started a 'religiously-themed' thread just to see how foolish these goodly folk could get - and lad, did they ever.
Then I realised that the only view representing those who consider the teachings of the Christ more than just interesting, were a handful of blinded literalists whose only knowledge of scripture was what they were fed.
And here is my conundrum: When I read Bluefete's thread, I was quite certain the spouted nonsense I came across was precisely that - because of what I knew. Suppose I didn't know... then my assumption would be that despite whatever sense Jesus' words might make, his followers are all complete imbeciles. If a drink has a magnificent bouquet, but all who drink it go mad - then bet your last cent I ain't tasting it.
And so I have decided (against the better judgment of most of my peers) to attempt to be the voice of reason - not for the benefit of Bluefete, or Sir Civic, or this Megadoc1... but for the curiously minded who might otherwise shy away from delving into what could result in a better understanding of why we all are here.
It is nice that you actually perused one of my posts, but a pity you missed the point of it.
I was referring to what was being presented here in this forum. This forum is but a small subset of reality.
Perhaps you should also look at any of the posts where I have pointed out the following:
1. acquiring a bottle of medicine for what ails you doesn't cure you - you have to take the dosage. Just because you buy the bottle and place it on the shelf, doesn't mean that the medication isn't good as you are not getting better. You need to use the medicine, not just have it;
2. rain is wet - and just because many folks go inside when it is raining, doesn't make the rain any less wet.
As a Muslim, you really wish to judge a religion by its claimed adherents? Are you not reading the posts in this thread regarding actions of claimed adherents of Islam?
Of course you claim in turn that they are in error, though they believe they are in the right. So too, did the claimed adherents of Christianity in this thread, and I in my turn, claimed they were in error as well.
Just remember, a blind man believes the world to be black, and he will scoff at naysayers, for he realizes that they obviously cannot see what he can... in his opinion, his clarity of sight and understanding is clearly something they do not possess.
bluefete wrote:FER SURE!!!!!!!
Bill Nye the Science Guy says denying evolution ‘holds everybody back,’ creationism will eventually die out
Beloved children’s television host's new video, 'Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children,' asks parents who believe in creationism not to teach it to their children in a clip that pulls no punches.
By Anthony Bartkewicz / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Monday, August 27, 2012, 2:57 PM
The perennially-bowtied Nye wades into the debate on evolution versus creationism in a new YouTube video with the incendiary title “Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children.”
In the video, posted by the online think tank Big Think, Nye pulls no punches. The former host of “Bill Nye the Science Guy” says denial of evolution is unique to the U.S. despite its technological advancements.
When a sizable portion of the population doesn’t believe in “the fundamental idea in all of life science,” he claims, “it holds everybody back, really.”
Nye goes on to urge adults who believe in creationism not to teach it to their kids, for the sake of the future.
“If you want to deny evolution and live in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that's fine,” he says. “But don't make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.”
Nye closes the short video by suggesting that in a couple of centuries, creationism “just won't exist” because “there's no evidence for it.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z24pqOEjsB
hey what going on here?AdamB wrote:
It depends on the definition of SKY.
There was a night journey from Mecca to Jerusalem and then he ascended to the heavens. He accurately described Jerusalem to the people. Allah knows best if it was a physical or spiritual
Perhaps, but alot of advancements were also made by the parents and children of believers in the Ancient Egyptian religion that worshiped Osiris, Horus, Amun Ra and the Pharaoh as God.megadoc1 wrote:wasn't alot of the advancements over the century made by the children of believers ?
oh boy
fine!Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:Perhaps, but alot of advancements were also made by the parents and children of believers in the Ancient Egyptian religion that worshiped Osiris, Horus, Amun Ra and the Pharaoh as God.megadoc1 wrote:wasn't alot of the advancements over the century made by the children of believers ?
oh boy
Egypt was the most advanced civilization in its time.
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