***The Official 2021 Formula 1 season thread***

[teems1]

2 in 2 for Ferrari

Not a bad weekend for them again.

Seb is on the way down sadly.

yup... but I think what Charles did in Quali has strained the LeClerc/Vettel relationship... yes im saying it..it was deliberate.

Fite me

Agreed. But the whole qualifying process needs to be changed.

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Just Monza imo

You can shave something like 1 second off your lap time with a good slipstream. No one wants to be the one in the front helping out the guys behind.

What they should have done is let P11 to P15 come out in Q3 and basically have their own mini Q3 where they could improve their grid place.

P1 to P10 would utilize those cars slipstream to get better laps etc.

[Ben_spanna]

Congrats to the young Ferrari driver. a well deserved win, hope this is the sign of a newer generation of exciting drivers ………….

[Monk BANzai]

Singapore....good race midfield.... "best of the rest:" fighting it out..... boohoo Poor Charles..."i am dissapointed" ....

The ole Seb still has it in him...undercut and all lolololol...

"we win and lose as a Team" hahahahahaha....hadda hand it to Silver Arrows PR team..singing that song on all platforms yesterday.... its gonan continue in Russia... Ferrari's pace gonna pwn them.

Max made podium again..i doh like him..but i love his consistency...

[MG Man]

Arima?

[pete]

Vettel surprised everyone with that blistering out lap. If they had left him out and pitted LeClerc on the next lap Max would've had two fast laps and may have got by him resulting in a possible 1-4. Ferrari strategy worked well for a change.

Mercedes had to try something I guess and were hoping a safety car would've saved them but luckily for Ferrari the SCs came after the softs wore out.

[worksux101]

Seb's outlap was almost a second faster than everyone else...dont forget also he had the slowest pitstop of the top 6. Deserved his win fully

[MG Man]

Seb becoming like Kimi....mostly meh with moments of blinding brilliance
Would have cost Ferrari less to keep Kimi and leggo Seb

[pete]

From some videos I've seen on youtube the opinion has been that Vettel's driving style is better suited at higher downforce setups. Which is what RBR had when he was there. This year the Ferrari design went to extremely low downforce and he really suffered. Now they have been able to get the car to grip better he may start to put in some brilliant drives.

Honestly feel if Charles had in fact given him the tow he was supposed to at Monza the result would've been different, probably would've ended up with Ferrari 1-2 there as well.

[Monk BANzai]

From some videos I've seen on youtube the opinion has been that Vettel's driving style is better suited at higher downforce setups. Which is what RBR had when he was there. This year the Ferrari design went to extremely low downforce and he really suffered. Now they have been able to get the car to grip better he may start to put in some brilliant drives.

Honestly feel if Charles had in fact given him the tow he was supposed to at Monza the result would've been different, probably would've ended up with Ferrari 1-2 there as well.

this.

[worksux101]

From some videos I've seen on youtube the opinion has been that Vettel's driving style is better suited at higher downforce setups. Which is what RBR had when he was there. This year the Ferrari design went to extremely low downforce and he really suffered. Now they have been able to get the car to grip better he may start to put in some brilliant drives.

Honestly feel if Charles had in fact given him the tow he was supposed to at Monza the result would've been different, probably would've ended up with Ferrari 1-2 there as well.

Not so much about downforce as oversteer. He hates an over steering car. With a neutral car where its negated, ala wet races, he reminded he's still one of the best (last to 2nd).
First half of last season the car was well balanced...when they updated to less drag to compensate for their power loss to Merc, he struggled in everything after Spa.

Also, very unfair to say he's been that bad. Car failures had him out of 3 qualifying sessions leaving him to start far down the grid, and he definitely would've taken pole at Monza with a tow. At Spa he would've done better if not sacrificing himself for LeClerc.

[kamakazi]

Where did Ferrari find this pace. I mean they talked about it from the beginning of the season but wow, just wow

Pole at Russia GP....just have to finish the job on Sunday.
Any thoughts of RBR fighting for second in the Constructors Championship are out the door

[Monk BANzai]

Where did Ferrari find this pace. I mean they talked about it from the beginning of the season but wow, just wow

Pole at Russia GP....just have to finish the job on Sunday.
Any thoughts of RBR fighting for second in the Constructors Championship are out the door

Yup.. im equally impressed with Hamilcrei constantly taking the fight to them and splitting them...his last sector Delta today was very impressive cutting that 6/10ths down... But there is no denying Ferrari's sheer speed....end of first lap might find him in third... but he loves crapping it out with Vettel ...lets see how today plays out and the New Cry Baby's (Le Clerc) attitude to team orders.

[Monk BANzai]

Where did Ferrari find this pace. I mean they talked about it from the beginning of the season but wow, just wow

Pole at Russia GP....just have to finish the job on Sunday.
Any thoughts of RBR fighting for second in the Constructors Championship are out the door

Yup.. im equally impressed with Hamilcrei constantly taking the fight to them and splitting them...his last sector Delta today was very impressive cutting that 6/10ths down... But there is no denying Ferrari's sheer speed....end of first lap might find him in third... but he loves crapping it out with Vettel ...lets see how today plays out and the New Cry Baby's (Le Clerc) attitude to team orders.

As predicted for the start....Karma ruled today....interesting and surprising result given Ferrari's pace...

#TeamOrders.....that second pit under VSC cost Le Clerc...wasnt needed..... OH wells ..lol

[teems1]

Not sure why Vettel won DotD.

Ferrari's orders to Charles were to maintain a straight line, let Vettel tow and pass you, and not defend Hamilton or the inside line. Once the 1-2 is safe, then we'll swap.

Charles follow his orders perfectly, and Vettel seemed to reneg on them.

Of course Karma was instant as he had an MGU-K failure, and parked the car causing a VSC which would guarantee Lewis getting P1.

He could have limped his car back to pits maybe incurring more damage to the engine, but Charles would have gotten the P1.

[worksux101]

Ferrari told him to stop the car.
Also, he had an excellent start and would've passed LeClerc regardless. He was the fastest man on track, even when merc's medium's switched on.

[antlind]

Ferrari told him to stop the car.
Also, he had an excellent start and would've passed LeClerc regardless. He was the fastest man on track, even when merc's medium's switched on.

Pole position on some circuits isn’t an advantage. This was an example. LeClerc is fast becoming a grumbling and complaining teammate for Vettel.

[worksux101]

He's French. He's emotional and wears his heart on his sleeve. Given his age and ability I find him carrying himself well all things considered.
As lewis said this weekend though, seb developed the car into the race winning machine it now is, and he needs to understand his place

[teems1]

Ferrari told him to stop the car.
Also, he had an excellent start and would've passed LeClerc regardless. He was the fastest man on track, even when merc's medium's switched on.

Maybe Charles didn’t defend or try as hard to pass Seb as he knew team orders.

Either way Ferrari strategy are the losers here. If they had simply let them race each other everyone would have been satisfied.

[antlind]

Ferrari told him to stop the car.
Also, he had an excellent start and would've passed LeClerc regardless. He was the fastest man on track, even when merc's medium's switched on.

Maybe Charles didn’t defend or try as hard to pass Seb as he knew team orders.

Either way Ferrari strategy are the losers here. If they had simply let them race each other everyone would have been satisfied.

^^^^^ Agree. Team orders so early in the race is really putting the integrity of the sport up to ridicule.

[kamakazi]

Integrity... Team orders been around quite a while now.
That sounds exactly like the reason Charles didn't fight going into the first corner. if Charles had moved across to cover the inside early... He'd be giving Lewis the slipstream instead and that would leave vettel fighting all the air resistance down into turn one.

About vettel developing the car... Somehow it didn't work for him cause from as early as Bahrain Charles almost won and as stated before Singapore vettel hadn't won a race since Belgium the previous year. This has proven a bit of problem for Ferrari. One driver can more comfortably win in the car's current iteration, the other still needs adjustment to suit his style. Also the young gun is ahead in points

[worksux101]

A car not matching your style and developing it are two different things. Seb also showed in each of the last 2 races that his race pace is better than LeC, and in monza would've had pole if not for the lack of tow. LeC said after he tried to catch up and couldn't. Even when lec was out of the dirty air, seb was still faster.
Add to that 3 of seb's 4 qualis before the break were compromised by mechanical issues, and you realise why LeC is ahead.
Give jack his jacket. Even lewis can see that.

Wrt the slipstream, Merc did it twice last year while ferrari didnt - monza being the most notable when kimi blocked Seb and allowed lewis to pass. Ferrari learnt and made the call - I think personally Seb is still toting over lec disregard in monza quali and is no longer gonna tow the line as much.

[kamakazi]

If the car is developed to suit the driving styles of their drivers; historically cars are developed to favor the driving style of their number one driver.
They might be two different things but they are dependant on each other to perform

[pete]

Really would've been interesting if sebs car didn't break down to see his reaction at the end of the race knowing they kept him out so long just to get undercut by Charles.

I get the feeling that he really isn't happy in the team. Just collecting his money til the contract is up. If he's in a position for a race win he pushes, if it's impossible or difficult he gives less than 100%.

[NR8]

Really would've been interesting if sebs car didn't break down to see his reaction at the end of the race knowing they kept him out so long just to get undercut by Charles.

I get the feeling that he really isn't happy in the team. Just collecting his money til the contract is up. If he's in a position for a race win he pushes, if it's impossible or difficult he gives less than 100%.

The same can arguably be said about Hamilton.

[kamakazi]

Really would've been interesting if sebs car didn't break down to see his reaction at the end of the race knowing they kept him out so long just to get undercut by Charles.

I get the feeling that he really isn't happy in the team. Just collecting his money til the contract is up. If he's in a position for a race win he pushes, if it's impossible or difficult he gives less than 100%.

The same can arguably be said about Hamilton.

Limited power units throughout the season

[pete]

Really would've been interesting if sebs car didn't break down to see his reaction at the end of the race knowing they kept him out so long just to get undercut by Charles.

I get the feeling that he really isn't happy in the team. Just collecting his money til the contract is up. If he's in a position for a race win he pushes, if it's impossible or difficult he gives less than 100%.

The same can arguably be said about Hamilton.

I disagree. Hamilton has been pushing in every race, except in Germany when he had the crash and extra long pit stop putting him out of a points finish. (It's almost as if Mercedes knew the two Alphas were going to get DSQd when they told him not to retire the car so kept him going to get points in the end)

[NR8]

Really would've been interesting if sebs car didn't break down to see his reaction at the end of the race knowing they kept him out so long just to get undercut by Charles.

I get the feeling that he really isn't happy in the team. Just collecting his money til the contract is up. If he's in a position for a race win he pushes, if it's impossible or difficult he gives less than 100%.

The same can arguably be said about Hamilton.

I disagree. Hamilton has been pushing in every race, except in Germany when he had the crash and extra long pit stop putting him out of a points finish. (It's almost as if Mercedes knew the two Alphas were going to get DSQd when they told him not to retire the car so kept him going to get points in the end)

Not necessarily this season in particular but generally. If he's at any disadvantage he gets whiny and complains incessantly on the radio. This, coming from a Hamilton fan. lol

[teems1]

Really would've been interesting if sebs car didn't break down to see his reaction at the end of the race knowing they kept him out so long just to get undercut by Charles.

I get the feeling that he really isn't happy in the team. Just collecting his money til the contract is up. If he's in a position for a race win he pushes, if it's impossible or difficult he gives less than 100%.

The same can arguably be said about Hamilton.

I disagree. Hamilton has been pushing in every race, except in Germany when he had the crash and extra long pit stop putting him out of a points finish. (It's almost as if Mercedes knew the two Alphas were going to get DSQd when they told him not to retire the car so kept him going to get points in the end)

Not necessarily this season in particular but generally. If he's at any disadvantage he gets whiny and complains incessantly on the radio. This, coming from a Hamilton fan. lol

Perks of being the bonafide number one on your team.

He doesn't want a repeat of 2007 McLaren or 2016 Mercedes.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

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That's real tough luck for Max. Those Ferraris are FAST!!!

[MG Man]

shoulda black flagged LEC for driving with that broken endplate
Dissapointing that VET couldn't run down and pass BOT
Had to feel for VER