ISIS in T&T?

[bluesclues]

I will not type to prove I am right. I will say we have differing opinions. Mine is quite cynical of the human's desire to be human to other humans.
... Hence the success of the matrix

well i understand your perspective. so dont think i dont see how u rationalize it. yeah sure.. man is wicked, so firetruck everybody else look out for number one. sometimes you helping ppl and they still turn round and stab u in the back. yeah. humans naturally prone to evil and selfishness. that is why we trapped in said matrix. restricted from being totally free of mind. else wed be able to think and fly or manifest an apple or gold if we need for something. i see this whole world as a place of restriction for everyone in it. we even restricted from leaving the planet with inhospitable environment all around us in space. as we grow in consciousness we gain more freedom. to build a space shuttle, and then maybe in a 100 years an interplanetary space ship etc. so at least there in that example you can see how growth in consciousness, is also a growth in intellect, and primitve behaviours are left behind making us less restricted. i think it applies all round. not just for a spaceship or deep sea diving, but for peace and freedom to grow in society itself with a growth in man's consciousness. to the point where everyone is consistent at an agreeable standard of self proctoring.

[Habit7]

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Correct, Muslims are strictly forbidden from killing with fire.

While growing up i was about to burn down a huge wasp nest(thing was like 1foot long), pops caught me before i did, and explained that fire is a form of punishment reserved for Allah alone(hellfire)..... Imagine I wont burn some wasps, these crackers just burnt a human, and are claiming to be Muslim???

These ISIS people are not following Islam........ Blame ISIS condemn ISIS all you want, they have nothing to do with Islam or Muslims.

DO NOT hold over a BILLION people responsible for the actions of a few.

What do think about what this guy has to say?

[RBphoto]

If they burnt David Wood... that would have been ironic.

[Habit7]

How so?

[HSA]

i am a muslim and i love sunshine....i am a muslim and i love rain....

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[Chimera]

What if Isis is really a set of hindu pretending to be Muslim to get the world to hate muslims

[BRZ]

Blah blah blah, just drop a Hug BOMB on the main stay of IS and that should help tremendously. Known members and associations around the world should be assassinated and exterminated.
That should end it!
Yuh vex? tough, deal with it!

[ModMania]

^ believe Jordan is way ahead of you their bro

[Habit7]

We derive our legal rulings from the sacred texts and not from the decisions of the Companions when there is a conflict between the two. However, we recognize that Companions like`Ali and Abu Bakr were qualified to engage in independent juristic reasoning and that they acted upon that reasoning, and we believe that they were on right guidance.

If burning captives is wrong and un-Islamic, is striking off the head of an apostate wrong and un-Islamic?

[The Paleontologist]

We derive our legal rulings from the sacred texts and not from the decisions of the Companions when there is a conflict between the two. However, we recognize that Companions like`Ali and Abu Bakr were qualified to engage in independent juristic reasoning and that they acted upon that reasoning, and we believe that they were on right guidance.

If burning captives is wrong and un-Islamic, is striking off the head of an apostate wrong and un-Islamic?

Depending. As to my knowledge, if they live peacefully and pay jizya etc, it is wrong. If they become hostile towards muslims however they are to be punished just like anyone else.
I'm not a scholar in sharia so I could be wrong.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

We derive our legal rulings from the sacred texts and not from the decisions of the Companions when there is a conflict between the two. However, we recognize that Companions like`Ali and Abu Bakr were qualified to engage in independent juristic reasoning and that they acted upon that reasoning, and we believe that they were on right guidance.

If burning captives is wrong and un-Islamic, is striking off the head of an apostate wrong and un-Islamic?

Depending. As to my knowledge, if they live peacefully and pay jizya etc, it is wrong. If they become hostile towards muslims however they are to be punished just like anyone else.
I'm not a scholar in sharia so I could be wrong.

just for reference:

Quran[edit]
Jizya is sanctioned by the Qur'an, the primary source of Islamic law, based on the following verse:

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

—Qur'an, [Quran 9:29]
Since the verse does not define what jizya means, hadith texts are needed to provide the definition. Not all scholar agree on the exact definition, most notably the Quranist scholars as they generally avoid hadith-inspired interpretation of the Qur'an.

Hadith sources
Jizya is mentioned a number of times in the hadiths. Common themes across multiple hadith (and often multiple collections of hadith) include Muhammad ordering his military commanders to fight non-Muslims until they accepted Islam or paid the jizya, Muhammad and a number of caliphs imposing jizya on non-Muslim residents of Islamic lands, and the prediction of eventual abolition of jizya with the establishment of Islam as the only religion by Jesus' Second Coming. Specific specific hadith examples include:

Muhammad commanded his military leaders to fight "those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; invite them to migrate from their lands; If they refuse to migrate, if they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them."
Non-Muslim kings, including those who were People of the Book (Christians, Jews), agreed to pay the jizya in return for being allowed to stay in their place.
Muslim rulers collected the jizya from the "Magian infidels" (Zoroastrians), from people of Bahrain and others.The caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab spent jizya and spoils of war (fay) collected from non-Muslims as stipends for Muslims, and provided protection to non-Muslims for jizya they paid.
Non-Muslims who failed to pay jizya were detained and punished.
Jesus will come again, and at that time will (among other things) abolish jizya, will "perish all religions except Islam".

[src1983]

We derive our legal rulings from the sacred texts and not from the decisions of the Companions when there is a conflict between the two. However, we recognize that Companions like`Ali and Abu Bakr were qualified to engage in independent juristic reasoning and that they acted upon that reasoning, and we believe that they were on right guidance.

If burning captives is wrong and un-Islamic, is striking off the head of an apostate wrong and un-Islamic?

Depending. As to my knowledge, if they live peacefully and pay jizya etc, it is wrong. If they become hostile towards muslims however they are to be punished just like anyone else.
I'm not a scholar in sharia so I could be wrong.

So by this nature ISIS is in the right then?

[The Paleontologist]

We derive our legal rulings from the sacred texts and not from the decisions of the Companions when there is a conflict between the two. However, we recognize that Companions like`Ali and Abu Bakr were qualified to engage in independent juristic reasoning and that they acted upon that reasoning, and we believe that they were on right guidance.

If burning captives is wrong and un-Islamic, is striking off the head of an apostate wrong and un-Islamic?

Depending. As to my knowledge, if they live peacefully and pay jizya etc, it is wrong. If they become hostile towards muslims however they are to be punished just like anyone else.
I'm not a scholar in sharia so I could be wrong.

So by this nature ISIS is in the right then?

No. We are only to fight in defence or if some injustice is done AFAIK. What Isis is totally different

[Habit7]

Surah 9:29 is not for defence or injustice. Muhammad's conquests weren't always in defence or injustice.

[_Kingfish_]

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[The Paleontologist]

That verse is mostly taken out of context. I'm not sure of all of Muhammad's conquests but the ones I do know about were for these purposes

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[Habit7]

Punishment for apostasy is death in an Islamic state, similar to treason in the west.
Has to be a swift clean death......no burning(punishment of Allah alone)

Isn't there no compulsion in religion according to the Quran?

[The Paleontologist]

Punishment for apostasy is death in an Islamic state, similar to treason in the west.
Has to be a swift clean death......no burning(punishment of Allah alone)

Isn't there no compulsion in religion according to the Quran?

This is what I know. As I said before I could be wrong. Isn't killing an apostate for being a revert a contradiction of this Quranic verse??

http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the- ... death.html

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[The Paleontologist]

So if an apostate leaves the Islamic state, is he still to be put to death or allowed to leave?

[Habit7]

But if death is the punishment for apostasy, then one is compelled to stay in Islam, despite their persuasion to let's say "the truth"?

[bluesclues]

But if death is the punishment for apostasy, then one is compelled to stay in Islam, despite their persuasion to let's say "the truth"?

that is part of the strategy of the religious war. to ensure the growing of numbers. encourage making plenty children and dont allow them to leave the religion in hopes that eventually they would be the world's dominant religion. but they kill eachother faster than they making children so the purpose is defeated.

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[pete]

I've read some crazy sheit.. but that..

[src1983]

Killing a man for using his/her free will is simply idiotic

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Just to make it clear.

I DO NOT SUPPORT ISIS IN ANY WAY..... I DO NOT AGREE WITH THEM AND THEIR WAY OF CONDUCTING AFFAIRS.....I DON'T AGREE WITH SUICIDE BOMBINGS, THE KILLING OF INNOCENTS, AND THE DESTRUCTION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY.

I'm just trying to get the truth out there

ok but do you agree with the rationale given in the quote you posted above for apostasy and why it is necessary?

[shogun]

Sweden...

Reminds me of this....

Trini even gets a mention.