The Religion Discussion

[thermaltake]

SMASH,
I wonder if any other religious group does eat pork during Ramadhan and Eid? Honestly, I don't care even if they think they doing it for spite. And don't think this doesn't happen because somehow ppl only think muslims bad.

People shouldn't judge groups based on what a few ignorant ones do due to the disease in their hearts.

So sMASH, Allyuh into event decorations, BLOWING UP BALLOONS and stuff?? Lol

they dont eat the mother but beating the father to plough lan.. hehe.

[thermaltake]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

[stickman]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

If there's a solution for every problem why is there a debate on fasting during Ramadan in Nordic countries? There are so many problems with Islam, it's laughable.

Also there's more men than women in the Islamic countries. Shouldn't women be allowed more than one husband because of this?

[sweetiepaper]

unlike you, my lack of belief is an open door..............anytime someone can propose a sensible, logical argument for the existence of a creator, cool........until then, I have no reason to believe one exists, especially one that takes attendance etc

btw your first line 'The simple answer is that the Unseen GOD that we believe in says so!' makes no sense whatsoever and is at best a weak attempt at proving your point

So MG, how do you think the universe came into being or how did life start on earth?
Do you have a logical reason for your existence?

why do I need a reason for my existence?

Well, you don't need a reason for your existence.
I am asking IF YOU HAVE A REASON for your existence and if yes, what is your reason?
Given the fact that you have a thinking mind, how do you think life came to being?

do you have a logical reason why an invisible man in the sky created you?

This question shows that you have assumed an invisible man in the sky created me.
My answer to that is no, i do not have a logical reason for an invisible man in the sky creating me because i don't believe an invisible man in the sky created me.

[sweetiepaper]

a while ago i used to talk to a girl i met online who told me that for divali they used to bbq beef on purpose, and they were at the mosque too.

it is most probable that people of one group would bash another group...its human nature.

the problem is, my group, tends to like to blow up things.

A while back i was listening to this radio programme where the the host was asking if it is human nature to be unfaithful to/ cheat on your partner. I remember one person called in and said she had cheated on her partner but it was her choice, not her nature.

For whatever reason, when people may bash others of another group, they choose to do so.
I don't see it as being human nature, we choose to take one action over another.

[maj. tom]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

The human sex ratio at birth like most other sexually reproductive species is 1:1. Always has been and definitely confirmed in modern times since data was gathered.

This is simply due to the statistical nature of random probability (head or tails outcome) in any sample of any population with only two possible outcomes. Oh you need a source for that? A reliable, scientific, unbiased source based on the censuses of all nations compiled?

https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 18.html#xx


How fitting that islam has a solution to this "problem" videre licet extreme sexism and basic human rights abuse.

[mamoo_pagal]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

a while ago i used to talk to a girl i met online who told me that for divali they used to bbq beef on purpose, and they were at the mosque too.

it is most probable that people of one group would bash another group...its human nature.

the problem is, my group, tends to like to blow up things.

A while back i was listening to this radio programme where the the host was asking if it is human nature to be unfaithful to/ cheat on your partner. I remember one person called in and said she had cheated on her partner but it was her choice, not her nature.

For whatever reason, when people may bash others of another group, they choose to do so.
I don't see it as being human nature, we choose to take one action over another.

I agree with this.

it is absolutely NOT human nature to be murderous, thieving, dishonest or to cheat. Those traits are in the vast minority and not instinctive. Our species would not have thrived and progressed if it was our overall instinctive nature, as we would have killed each other out and destroyed any system devised by us towards civilization.

[sMASH]

that is supposed to be an end-time prophecy. is that the ratio of men to women would eventually reach 1:50. so, these gender studies could be used as a sort of time line to the count down. there is another one which says that the sun would rise in the west. there is some debate as to whether that is literal or figurative, i kinda leaning towards figurative. but imagine if, BAM, sun one day decide to rise in the west...

there is another end time prophecy where there would be three great earthquakes, not a rise in earth quake activity, but the prophecy is about three great earthquakes, one in the east, one in the west, and one in arabia... when those earthquakes happen, they would be so great there would be no question as to if those are the ones prophesied, it would be dreadfully obvious.

[thermaltake]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?

hahaha.. try and do some research bro... islam didn't say it had more women than men... this is a fact..

[thermaltake]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

If there's a solution for every problem why is there a debate on fasting during Ramadan in Nordic countries? There are so many problems with Islam, it's laughable.

“O you who believe! Observing al-sawm (fasting) is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, that you may become the pious.” [al-Baqarah 2:183]

So every responsible adult Muslim who is present when Ramadaan comes is obliged to fast, no matter whether the day is short or long. If a person is unable to complete a day’s fast, and fears that he may die or become ill, he is permitted to eat just enough to keep his strength up and keep himself safe from harm, then he should stop eating and drinking for the rest of the day, and he has to make up the days he has missed later on, when he is able to fast. And Allaah knows best....


also still nobody tell me what solution their religious book give to the world having more women than men...

[sMASH]

link to the debate of fasting during ramadhan in nordic regions.

they have to do it, as long as death is not a risk, they are not sick or infirm, mad, pregnant or breastfeeding, menstruating, traveling great distances. they must stop eating from the time the first thread of light shows up against the darkness of the night, and break the fast as the sun has set.
many times, i have woken up after the dawn and have proceeded to fast with out any food or drink before, so my only intake was what i had the evening before... and successive days as well. it is not impossible.
but it is quite hard. if i was them, i would move to some other region lower in latitude. if not, ride it out these few years, cause when a few years pass, the day light would be real brief, and fasting would be a breeze. but it is not meant to be a breeze, but a minute challenge to help us appreciate what we have.

imagine, just a little after taraawee they getting ready to have sehri,

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

the Quraan is the only religious book that said a person should have one wife... no other religious book teaches this...

I'm not sure what you mean

Genesis 2:22-24
Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman, ' for she was taken out of man." For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

Proverbs 18:22
He who finds one wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD.

Deuteronomy 24:5
If a man has recently married, he must not be sent to war or have any other duty laid on him. For one year he is to be free to stay at home and bring happiness to the wife he has married.

Mark 10:6-9
"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

the last sentence of the last quote is why Catholics do not practice divorce.

that is just examples from the bible. There are instructions and teachings in the Qur'an, Gita, Bible and Torah about marriage.

mr. duane all the quotes you mad from thos religious books none of them said a man must marry one woman... cud you highlight it where it specified dat....?

Proverbs 18:22
He who finds one wife finds what is good and receives favor from the LORD.

From what I understand, Christianity is based on the teachings of Christ. The apostle Mathew reports that Christ said:
Matthew 19:8
8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”

While there are numerous passages in the Old Testament of the Bible that make reference to men who had more than one wife, the New Testament does not seem to support polygamy or polygyny. There is no where in the bible where it prescribes or gives guidelines on having more than one wife. There are only guidelines on how to treat with one wife.

Surah 4:3
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
http://quran.com/4/

please forgive me if I quoted this incorrectly.

Even though polygamy is illegal in T&T, I know of a number of families in T&T who practice polygamy and appear to be happy.

I am not offering an opinion here or making a point. I am only stating what I have read.

[AdamB]

the Quraan is the only religious book that said a person should have one wife... no other religious book teaches this...

I'm not sure what you mean

While there are numerous passages in the Old Testament of the Bible that make reference to men who had more than one wife, the New Testament does not seem to support polygamy or polygyny. There is no where in the bible where it prescribes or gives guidelines on having more than one wife. There are only guidelines on how to treat with one wife.

Surah 4:3
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].
http://quran.com/4/

please forgive me if I quoted this incorrectly.

Even though polygamy is illegal in T&T, I know of a number of families in T&T who practice polygamy and appear to be happy.

I am not offering an opinion here or making a point. I am only stating what I have read.

Muslims practise POLYGYNY but limited up to 4 wives. I see you mentioned it above but for the benefit of all:
World English Dictionary

polygyny (pəˈlɪdʒɪnɪ)
— n
1. the practice or condition of being married to more than one wife at the same time

2. the practice in animals of a male mating with more than one female during one breeding season

3. the condition in flowers of having many carpels

[C18: from poly- + -gyny, from Greek gunē a woman]

About the bible not allowing more than one wife, if a GREAT PROPHET like ABRAHAM took a second wife, was he committing a great sin? I THINK NOT:

Genesis 16:3 So after Abram (Abraham) had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

What about King Solomon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon#Wives

According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hittites.

[RBphoto]

^^^^For the record... polygamy is a case of having too many wives.....












So is Monogamy

[stickman]

link to the debate of fasting during ramadhan in nordic regions.

they have to do it, as long as death is not a risk, they are not sick or infirm, mad, pregnant or breastfeeding, menstruating, traveling great distances. they must stop eating from the time the first thread of light shows up against the darkness of the night, and break the fast as the sun has set.
many times, i have woken up after the dawn and have proceeded to fast with out any food or drink before, so my only intake was what i had the evening before... and successive days as well. it is not impossible.
but it is quite hard. if i was them, i would move to some other region lower in latitude. if not, ride it out these few years, cause when a few years pass, the day light would be real brief, and fasting would be a breeze. but it is not meant to be a breeze, but a minute challenge to help us appreciate what we have.

imagine, just a little after taraawee they getting ready to have sehri,

I cannot find any specific debate as of now. But there are times when the some parts of the Nordic countries have a full 24 hours of sunlight. Islam didn't cater for this and there's reliance on scholar's opinions for matters like this. All the more reason Islam is not perfect and is flawed.

[sMASH]

hmmn, personally (again, me) me eh goin so far up to live. if i there, i definitely taking vacation for this period.

there are ways around it, and is up to the person to align their behavior activities and lifestyle to suit their priorities, what ever they may be.
like this, u can't be living in a nudist colony and then want to complain that the people should be covered. that is not the environment for your specific attitude. if it so bad then i would think that leaving is the best route.

the time of ramadhan we are MEANT to give up our own personal interests and dedicate our time to the remembrance and reflection of god and his instructions, as we believe them to be. so we should strive to give up many things and remove ourselves very much from the secular activities.

also, this is like a conditioning (brain washing to be cynical about it) to encourage us to streamline our normal lives to be more on god scenes than on the worldly scenes. so, if they really want to practise islam they have to fast. if they can't give up their daily lives to fulfill it, well that is their choice and allah knows best, as i have my own challenges in my life as i am not perfect myself

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Muslims practise POLYGYNY but limited up to 4 wives. I see you mentioned it above but for the benefit of all:
World English Dictionary

polygyny (pəˈlɪdʒɪnɪ)
— n
1. the practice or condition of being married to more than one wife at the same time

2. the practice in animals of a male mating with more than one female during one breeding season

3. the condition in flowers of having many carpels

[C18: from poly- + -gyny, from Greek gunē a woman]

About the bible not allowing more than one wife, if a GREAT PROPHET like ABRAHAM took a second wife, was he committing a great sin? I THINK NOT:

Genesis 16:3 So after Abram (Abraham) had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

What about King Solomon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon#Wives

According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hittites.

I said "While there are numerous passages in the Old Testament of the Bible that make reference to men who had more than one wife, the New Testament does not seem to support polygamy or polygyny."

You are free to read about the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament if you do not know

The New Testament (Koine Greek: Ἡ Καινὴ Διαθήκη, Hē Kainḕ Diathḗkē) is the second major division of the Christian biblical canon, the first division being the Old Testament. Unlike the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible, of which Christians hold different views, the contents of the New Testament deal explicitly with 1st century Christianity, although both the Old and New Testament are regarded, together, as sacred scripture. The New Testament has therefore (in whole or in part) frequently accompanied the spread of Christianity around the world, and both reflects and serves as a source for Christian theology.

Abraham and Solomon were in the Old Testament.

I am only stating what I have read.

[mamoo_pagal]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?

hahaha.. try and do some research bro... islam didn't say it had more women than men... this is a fact..

again you did not answer the questions. You posted information here, if you can't provide the necessary facts to support it, then your contribution becomes null and void.

again what problem does the world have by your assumption that there is more women than men and what is the proposed solution to this perceived problem?

[thermaltake]

link to the debate of fasting during ramadhan in nordic regions.

they have to do it, as long as death is not a risk, they are not sick or infirm, mad, pregnant or breastfeeding, menstruating, traveling great distances. they must stop eating from the time the first thread of light shows up against the darkness of the night, and break the fast as the sun has set.
many times, i have woken up after the dawn and have proceeded to fast with out any food or drink before, so my only intake was what i had the evening before... and successive days as well. it is not impossible.
but it is quite hard. if i was them, i would move to some other region lower in latitude. if not, ride it out these few years, cause when a few years pass, the day light would be real brief, and fasting would be a breeze. but it is not meant to be a breeze, but a minute challenge to help us appreciate what we have.

imagine, just a little after taraawee they getting ready to have sehri,

I cannot find any specific debate as of now. But there are times when the some parts of the Nordic countries have a full 24 hours of sunlight. Islam didn't cater for this and there's reliance on scholar's opinions for matters like this. All the more reason Islam is not perfect and is flawed.

islam did cater for this... Allah already spoke in the quraan and told us how to fast.... and Allah knows best....

[thermaltake]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?

hahaha.. try and do some research bro... islam didn't say it had more women than men... this is a fact..

again you did not answer the questions. You posted information here, if you can't provide the necessary facts to support it, then your contribution becomes null and void.

again what problem does the world have by your assumption that there is more women than men and what is the proposed solution to this perceived problem?

if you coulda read you would of realise i asked you a question before you asked me anything.. but again the muslim point is null n void.. kafir mentality... alyuh good yes...

[thermaltake]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?

hahaha.. try and do some research bro... islam didn't say it had more women than men... this is a fact..

again you did not answer the questions. You posted information here, if you can't provide the necessary facts to support it, then your contribution becomes null and void.

again what problem does the world have by your assumption that there is more women than men and what is the proposed solution to this perceived problem?

or mr. pagal this is the solution Islam have Surah 4:3
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice].

[thermaltake]

Islam is the fastest growing religion is the world today.. if you go to any corner of the earth and ask about islam and muslim everyone knows them..

[stickman]

Islam is the fastest growing religion is the world today.. if you go to any corner of the earth and ask about islam and muslim everyone knows them..

Source?

Also I've read that "no religion" is the fastest growing religion.

[AdamB]

Muslims practise POLYGYNY but limited up to 4 wives. I see you mentioned it above but for the benefit of all:
World English Dictionary

polygyny (pəˈlɪdʒɪnɪ)
— n
1. the practice or condition of being married to more than one wife at the same time

2. the practice in animals of a male mating with more than one female during one breeding season

3. the condition in flowers of having many carpels

[C18: from poly- + -gyny, from Greek gunē a woman]

About the bible not allowing more than one wife, if a GREAT PROPHET like ABRAHAM took a second wife, was he committing a great sin? I THINK NOT:

Genesis 16:3 So after Abram (Abraham) had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

What about King Solomon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon#Wives

According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hittites.

I said "While there are numerous passages in the Old Testament of the Bible that make reference to men who had more than one wife, the New Testament does not seem to support polygamy or polygyny."

You are free to read about the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament if you do not know

The New Testament (Koine Greek: Ἡ Καινὴ Διαθήκη, Hē Kainḕ Diathḗkē) is the second major division of the Christian biblical canon, the first division being the Old Testament. Unlike the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible, of which Christians hold different views, the contents of the New Testament deal explicitly with 1st century Christianity, although both the Old and New Testament are regarded, together, as sacred scripture. The New Testament has therefore (in whole or in part) frequently accompanied the spread of Christianity around the world, and both reflects and serves as a source for Christian theology.

Abraham and Solomon were in the Old Testament.

I am only stating what I have read.

The point is that if GOD allowed / approved of more than one wife before, then why is it a unbelievable or a problem that GOD has put it in the Law for muslims to follow.

What do Christians recommend to do with the Old Testament? Cut it out and throw it away?

What do the Jews practise (since their laws are derived from the first 5 books of the Old testament)? And they were the original possessors of those books. Moses was their prophet.

[mamoo_pagal]

there are so many more women than men in the world today.. what solution did any of your religion bring to this problem.. or the atheist how do you fix this... Islam we have a solution for every problem......

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?

hahaha.. try and do some research bro... islam didn't say it had more women than men... this is a fact..

again you did not answer the questions. You posted information here, if you can't provide the necessary facts to support it, then your contribution becomes null and void.

again what problem does the world have by your assumption that there is more women than men and what is the proposed solution to this perceived problem?

if you coulda read you would of realise i asked you a question before you asked me anything.. but again the muslim point is null n void.. kafir mentality... alyuh good yes...

I can't answer your question because the problem you refer to, is one you think mankind has.
umm you said Islam has the solution for every problem, in this case a perceived issue of there being more women than men. What problem exists if there is more women than men?
Your contribution null and void, not the Muslims.

[nareshseep]

And in the end baigan choka is still manna from heaven

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Muslims practise POLYGYNY but limited up to 4 wives. I see you mentioned it above but for the benefit of all:
World English Dictionary

polygyny (pəˈlɪdʒɪnɪ)
— n
1. the practice or condition of being married to more than one wife at the same time

2. the practice in animals of a male mating with more than one female during one breeding season

3. the condition in flowers of having many carpels

[C18: from poly- + -gyny, from Greek gunē a woman]

About the bible not allowing more than one wife, if a GREAT PROPHET like ABRAHAM took a second wife, was he committing a great sin? I THINK NOT:

Genesis 16:3 So after Abram (Abraham) had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian maidservant Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife.

What about King Solomon:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon#Wives

According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. The wives are described as foreign princesses, including Pharaoh's daughter and women of Moab, Ammon, Sidon and of the Hittites.

I said "While there are numerous passages in the Old Testament of the Bible that make reference to men who had more than one wife, the New Testament does not seem to support polygamy or polygyny."

You are free to read about the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament if you do not know

The New Testament (Koine Greek: Ἡ Καινὴ Διαθήκη, Hē Kainḕ Diathḗkē) is the second major division of the Christian biblical canon, the first division being the Old Testament. Unlike the Old Testament or Hebrew Bible, of which Christians hold different views, the contents of the New Testament deal explicitly with 1st century Christianity, although both the Old and New Testament are regarded, together, as sacred scripture. The New Testament has therefore (in whole or in part) frequently accompanied the spread of Christianity around the world, and both reflects and serves as a source for Christian theology.

Abraham and Solomon were in the Old Testament.

I am only stating what I have read.

The point is that if GOD allowed / approved of more than one wife before, then why is it a unbelievable or a problem that GOD has put it in the Law for muslims to follow.

What do Christians recommend to do with the Old Testament? Cut it out and throw it away?

What do the Jews practise (since their laws are derived from the first 5 books of the Old testament)? And they were the original possessors of those books. Moses was their prophet.

I never said anything was a problem. You seem to think everyone has a problem

they don't throw the old testament away

The older laws are abrogated, isn't there abrogation in the Qur'an?

That's why Christians don't sacrifice animals, since Christ abrogated those old testament practices in the new testament. The Christians in here can offer better on this.

[MG Man]

Duane, you askin the man to abrogate laws they stole from another man's holy book????? Can't be done.......would erode the 'foundation' upon which their book is built

[thermaltake]

what "solution" does Islam have for the "problem" more women than men in the world?
how did Islam come to the conclusion that there is more women than men in the world?[/quote]
hahaha.. try and do some research bro... islam didn't say it had more women than men... this is a fact..[/quote]

again you did not answer the questions. You posted information here, if you can't provide the necessary facts to support it, then your contribution becomes null and void.

again what problem does the world have by your assumption that there is more women than men and what is the proposed solution to this perceived problem?[/quote]
if you coulda read you would of realise i asked you a question before you asked me anything.. but again the muslim point is null n void.. kafir mentality... alyuh good yes...[/quote]

I can't answer your question because the problem you refer to, is one you think mankind has.
umm you said Islam has the solution for every problem, in this case a perceived issue of there being more women than men. What problem exists if there is more women than men?
Your contribution null and void, not the Muslims.[/quote]

so you dont see a problem with having more men than women? plz answer dat... also the problem is when your daughter or sister wants to get married becuz of the little number of men in the world it will be tough for them to get married.. and if they dont then sombody might get horn...