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EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby stev » November 8th, 2018, 9:15 am

Here’s What the First Images from the Event Horizon Might Look Like

The largest object in our night sky—by far!—is invisible to us. The object is the Super-Massive Black Hole (SMBH) at the center of our Milky Way galaxy, called Sagittarius A. But soon we may have an image of Sagittarius A’s event horizon. And that image may pose a challenge to Einstein’s Theory of General Relativity.


Nobody’s ever seen a black hole’s event horizon. The intense gravitational pull prevents anything, even light, from escaping. The event horizon is the point of no return. No matter, no light, and no information can escape. But we may be close to getting an image of Sagittarius A’s event horizon, thanks to the Event Horizon Telescope (EHT).

The EHT is an international collaboration designed to investigate the immediate surroundings of a black hole. It’s not one telescope, but rather a linked system of radio telescopes across the globe all working together using interferometry. By measuring the electromagnetic energy from the region surrounding the black hole with multiple radio dishes at multiple locations, some of the properties of the source can be derived.

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The EHT is seven separate facilities around the world linked through interferometry. The EHT should give us the first image of a black hole’s event horizon. Image: EHT

The EHT project gathered data on Sagittarius A, and one other black hole called M87 in the center of the Virgo A galaxy, over a four year period. That four years ended in April 2017, but the team of 200 scientists and engineers are still analyzing the data. In the meantime, the team has released computer model images of what they hope to see.
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https://www.universetoday.com/140268/he ... look-like/

On another note:

In a paper published on October 31st, 2018, scientists at the European Southern Observatory (ESO) detailed how they used the GRAVITY interferometer and the four telescopes of the Very Large Telescope (VLT) to create a virtual telescope that effectively has a diameter of 427 feet (130m).

Pointing this ultra-telescope straight at Sagittarius A*, scientists detected bright spots of gas traveling in orbits around Sagittarius A* at 30% the speed of light.



https://petapixel.com/2018/11/02/this-v ... milky-way/



22nd November 2018 Update

Gas Seen Moving Near the Event Horizon

Welcome to the doorstep of a black hole.

An international team of astronomers has caught the motion of hot, magnetized gas right near the event horizon of our galaxy’s central supermassive black hole, Sagittarius A* (pronounced “A-star”). This gas is likely part of a puffy disk that Sgr A* lazily feeds from. The disk provides a flickering light source, its steady glow sometimes spiking in flares that observers see in wavelengths from X-ray to radio.

While watching the star S2 whiz by the black hole this summer, astronomers working with the GRAVITY instrument on the Very Large Telescope Interferometer in Chile happened to see three bright flares — two of them nearly as bright as S2 in infrared — from near Sgr A*. Each flare lasted between 30 and 90 minutes and didn’t stay in place. Instead, each appeared to race around the black hole at 30% the speed of light, tracing out about two-thirds of a clockwise loop that (uncertainties in the data aside) has the black hole at its center.

The behavior looks much like what a hotspot in the disk would do. Back in 2005, Avery Broderick (now University of Waterloo, Canada) and Abraham Loeb (Harvard) predicted that hotspots in the charged gas might be detectable, their orbits probing the gravitational landscape close to the innermost stable circuit around the black hole.

Changes in the flares’ polarization support that picture. The light is polarized due to magnetic fields in the disk, which serve as sheepdogs to the charged particles emitting the light. These magnetic fields are threaded through the disk, like big hula hoops around the black hole’s waist, Broderick explains. A hotspot lights up only a small part of the accretion flow, so as it circles around, the magnetic field direction in the lit-up region appears to spin — which is what the GRAVITY team saw.

As the team reports in the October Astronomy & Astrophysics, the data point to hotspots orbiting very close to the black hole’s event horizon, completing a pass every 45 minutes or so.

“This is an incredible measurement,” Broderick says. If astronomers see more flares doing the same thing, then “this presents an extraordinary opportunity to make precise tests of gravity in its most extreme environments: right about the horizons of black holes.”

Attendees at a galactic center workshop in Germany last week discussed the analysis at length but were cautious about the hotspot interpretation. “Everyone believes there is some kind of motion in a flare near the black hole,” says Sera Markoff (University of Amsterdam, The Netherlands), who specializes in accretion physics. Hotspots are the simplest solution, which is why the GRAVITY team went with them. But it's not yet clear if an alternative solution might be better. “Most of us believe that more complicated things are possible, such as motions associated with magnetic flares or jets.” (Astronomers have looked for jets from Sgr A* but haven’t seen anything definitive.)

Another concern is the angle at which we might be seeing the black hole’s disk. The GRAVITY team thinks the disk lies fairly face-on to our perspective. Others think the odds for that are statistically low, though, and radio observations have favored a more edge-on view. Upcoming radio results may provide some clarity on the disk’s inclination.

A more edge-on view might also create a better silhouette for the Event Horizon Telescope, the worldwide project trying to capture the “shadow” of Sgr A* and other supermassive black holes against the glow of their surrounding gas.

https://www.skyandtelescope.com/astrono ... t-horizon/
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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » November 8th, 2018, 11:54 am

Awesome!

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Postby Soul Collector » November 8th, 2018, 3:18 pm

Whoa! Truly awesome.

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Postby l33t2 » November 8th, 2018, 4:37 pm

Awesome, also reminds me of the Event Horizon movie. Seriously scary af.

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby The Paleontologist » November 8th, 2018, 6:59 pm

Really awesome

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby stev » November 21st, 2018, 2:18 pm

update in original post

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby sMASH » November 21st, 2018, 3:05 pm

u could imagine the amount of times a star will come between the earth and the galactic center, blocking the line of sight.. lol.
photo bombing everything.

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Postby Slartibartfast » November 21st, 2018, 4:24 pm

sMASH wrote:u could imagine the amount of times a star will come between the earth and the galactic center, blocking the line of sight.. lol.
photo bombing everything.
They aren't using optics to see the event horizon though. They are using an array of satellites to measure radio waves which have longer wavelengths that visible light and I'm guessing may be able to be diffracted around stars. I know they can diffract around black holes due to the strong gravitational field. They also have a team of 200 people smarter than us working together to analyse the data. I guessing that they are putting a bit more effort into getting this picture than a regular selfie.

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby sMASH » November 22nd, 2018, 10:21 am

A lot of effort, scopes, processing, best fit, and observance windows. ...

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby stev » April 6th, 2019, 1:35 am

UPDATE!!!

Scientists to announce "groundbreaking result" in black hole telescope project

Astronomers say a major announcement is on the way based on findings from the international Event Horizon Telescope project, which experts believe could be the first-ever photographs to show the surroundings of a black hole. On Wednesday, April 10, the Event Horizon Telescope team will be holding multiple press conferences around the world to announce a "groundbreaking result" in their study of black hole environments.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-hole ... -april-10/


been a while since i was actually excited about something...lol

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Postby sickbad » April 7th, 2019, 6:32 am

Space is fake. Earth is flat. Move along with your lives

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Postby bluefete » April 7th, 2019, 6:35 am

You are sure living up to your name.

sickbad wrote:Space is fake. Earth is flat. Move along with your lives

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby stev » April 10th, 2019, 2:24 pm

Eureka! Black Hole Photographed for 1st Time

Black holes have finally been dragged out of the shadows.

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Black holes have finally been dragged out of the shadows.

For the first time ever, humanity has photographed one of these elusive cosmic beasts, shining light on an exotic space-time realm that had long been beyond our ken.

"We have seen what we thought was unseeable," Sheperd Doeleman, of Harvard University and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, said today (April 10) during a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

Doeleman directs the Event Horizon Telescope (EHT) project, which captured the epic imagery. These four photos, which were unveiled today at press events around the world and in a series of published papers, outline the contours of the monster black hole lurking at the heart of the elliptical galaxy M87.

The imagery is mind-blowing enough in its own right. But even more significant is the trail the new results will likely blaze, researchers said.

"There's really a new field to explore," Peter Galison, a professor of physics and the history of science at Harvard, said in an EHT talk last month at the South by Southwest (SXSW) festival in Austin, Texas. "And that's ultimately what's so exciting about this."

Galison, who co-founded Harvard's interdisciplinary Black Hole Initiative (BHI), compared the imagery's potential impact to that of the drawings made by English scientist Robert Hooke in the 1600s. These illustrations showed people what insects and plants look like through a microscope.

"It opened a world," Galison said of Hooke's work.

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby Slartibartfast » April 10th, 2019, 2:59 pm

For those of you that want to know what you are looking at. Make no mistake, this is a historical photograph.


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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » April 10th, 2019, 6:41 pm

^ great vid!

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Postby shogun » April 10th, 2019, 6:48 pm

Had to log in to see if anyone posted this. Yup, someone beat me to it. Amazingly effing cool.

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby stev » April 10th, 2019, 11:38 pm

just a little size comparison....

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » April 11th, 2019, 12:25 pm

stev wrote:just a little size comparison....

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Not sure math is correct here but
The distance of the earth from the sun is 1 astronomical unit (au)
The diameter of the sun is 0.00929826069 au
The diameter of the solar system is 244 au
So the solar system is 26,240 times the size of the sun

This black hole system is 6,500,000,000 times the size of the sun.

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » April 11th, 2019, 1:02 pm

Dan Farr via Facebook: Most news outlets are only showing the blurry zoomed in picture of the black hole so I'm posting the entire zoomed-out image of the black hole and everything it is consuming. The tiny black spec in this image is 6.5 billion times the size of our sun. This thing is HUGE.

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Postby VexXx Dogg » April 11th, 2019, 1:34 pm

Is that where the restaurant at the end of the universe is located?

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Postby xtech » April 11th, 2019, 5:05 pm

I am a bit confused by the size everyone quoting around the net.

Black holes are supposed to be tiny but very super dense objects. So I don’t think its Actually 6.5 billion times bigger than our sun I think it has the mass of 6.5 billion suns but the actual thing could only be as big as the moon

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Postby Duane 3NE 2NR » April 11th, 2019, 7:30 pm

xtech wrote:I am a bit confused by the size everyone quoting around the net.

Black holes are supposed to be tiny but very super dense objects. So I don’t think its Actually 6.5 billion times bigger than our sun I think it has the mass of 6.5 billion suns but the actual thing could only be as big as the moon

From what I understand they are talking about the accretion disk, not the black hole itself.

the video Slartibartfast posted above explains it better

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Postby stev » April 11th, 2019, 7:33 pm

xtech wrote:I am a bit confused by the size everyone quoting around the net.

Black holes are supposed to be tiny but very super dense objects. So I don’t think its Actually 6.5 billion times bigger than our sun I think it has the mass of 6.5 billion suns but the actual thing could only be as big as the moon


it actually has a mass of 2,400 Billion X that of our sun....so it is actually 6.5B times bigger than our sun.

yes it's extremely huge but it's not the largest...below is the largest discovered black hole; S5 0014+81 compared to our solar system

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also keep in mind it's not the singularity itself we are seeing, just the event horizon. check out the Veritasiium vid as Duane said.

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Postby maj. tom » April 11th, 2019, 7:42 pm

Stephen Hawking would have loved to see this. He will be with it at the end of the Universe.

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Postby sickbad » April 12th, 2019, 3:43 am

and you guys think we went to the moon a bunch of times back in the 60s/70s and have not been back since ? #nasalovers

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Postby sMASH » April 13th, 2019, 9:56 pm



i know she looked familiar. saw this a while ago, but because of the statistical best fit, with such little puzzle pieces, and the fact that they have an idea of what they expect to see, i am a bit hesitant to say that they actually imaged the black hole.

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Re: EHT to produce first picture of an Event Horizon

Postby shogun » April 16th, 2019, 5:11 pm

She was a lil nervous, but she did aight. Those prepared presentations eh easy.

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