the right to bear arms

[K74T]

an he tun ah bad boy

[rspann]

gun business have plenty smoke and mirrors esp on dealer side

right now the police only granting a particular dealer import license
so if guns are supposed to be come more available and the other dealers whose annual import licenses are being held back start to make noise then that dealer gonna lose business......

this dealer has been "successful" in being able to get his annual import licenses approved early whilst everybody else gets theirs very late in the year and its backdated, ie you only get to use your license for a few remaining months of the year.

This makes a lot of sense, but what is the holdup with FUL's?

No hold up.
Men getting FUL.

Normel normel. Chinee getting too ,who can't even fill out the forms.

[urbandilema]

Ah support the issue...vigilantes are needed yes...bust some heads of the intruders

[Redman]

what having a biz or not have to do with whether one is suitable to carry a fire arm?

[RBphoto]

what having a biz or not have to do with whether one is suitable to carry a fire arm?

Correct. Once you have no prior convictions, there should be nothing stopping you from getting one, just for the sake of having one.

[*KRONIK*]

Oh hai guize

Pew pew peeeewww

[mero]

what having a biz or not have to do with whether one is suitable to carry a fire arm?

Correct. Once you have no prior convictions, there should be nothing stopping you from getting one, just for the sake of having one.

That's it? So what about crimals and those who aid and embed with no convictions?

What about sociopaths, psychopaths, over sensitive, over paranoid, wicked, and genuinely dotish ppl? Just walk with a police certificate of character and walk out with a gun?

[alfa]

Before you are considered to be granted an FUL you must submit a medical along with a psychological assessment for suitability of owning said firearm. So issues like being overly sensitive and psychological problems are supposed to be picked up way before being granted a licence. In addition to that your district police authority has to do a full investigation and interview with you before they submit their recommendations regarding your application to the commissioner. So Trinidad does in fact have some of the best assessment procedures for firearm ownership with regards to weeding out unsuitable applicants.
The problem is once all this is done and the file reaches the commissioner he leaves it there to collect dust. He is openly anti gun and if he denies your application it had to be conveyed to you in a letter and you have a right to appeal to the firearms appeal board. Since he obviously would want to avoid facing a board he just leaves applications in limbo without a response for years.
And that unfortunately is how the system works

[88sins]

what having a biz or not have to do with whether one is suitable to carry a fire arm?

Correct. Once you have no prior convictions, there should be nothing stopping you from getting one, just for the sake of having one.

In theory that could work, but in practicality that ain't such a good idea, because it have plenty ppl now that have legal firearms who shouldn't.
imho, there must be some qualifying criteria, such as an applicant must at least

be over 35 years old
own their own home, if not they must get permission from the home owner or landlord
be employed consistently for the last 10 years & show evidence of this (not lookin to give a legal gun to a career bandit)
understand that no pistols are allowed, shotguns only
have a psych evaluation done
show where & how it is to be secured at whatever location it is to be kept at
mandatory state provided training sessions & certification that MUST be completed prior to issue

[RedVEVO]

what having a biz or not have to do with whether one is suitable to carry a fire arm?

Correct. Once you have no prior convictions, there should be nothing stopping you from getting one, just for the sake of having one.

In theory that could work, but in practicality that ain't such a good idea, because it have plenty ppl now that have legal firearms who shouldn't.
imho, there must be some qualifying criteria, such as an applicant must at least

be over 35 years old
own their own home, if not they must get permission from the home owner or landlord
be employed consistently for the last 10 years & show evidence of this (not lookin to give a legal gun to a career bandit)
understand that no pistols are allowed, shotguns only
have a psych evaluation done
show where & how it is to be secured at whatever location it is to be kept at
mandatory state provided training sessions & certification that MUST be completed prior to issue

^^
Application for a Police with a MBA applying for a mortgage .

[88sins]

^^
Application for a Police with a MBA applying for a mortgage .

ok, it's official
logic is an alien concept to you

[RedVEVO]

^^
Application for a Police with a MBA applying for a mortgage .

ok, it's official
logic is an alien concept to you

Alien 88 please return to Wakanda .

Re programing need.

Service light on .

[gucci05]

Before you are considered to be granted an FUL you must submit a medical along with a psychological assessment for suitability of owning said firearm. So issues like being overly sensitive and psychological problems are supposed to be picked up way before being granted a licence. In addition to that your district police authority has to do a full investigation and interview with you before they submit their recommendations regarding your application to the commissioner. So Trinidad does in fact have some of the best assessment procedures for firearm ownership with regards to weeding out unsuitable applicants.
The problem is once all this is done and the file reaches the commissioner he leaves it there to collect dust. He is openly anti gun and if he denies your application it had to be conveyed to you in a letter and you have a right to appeal to the firearms appeal board. Since he obviously would want to avoid facing a board he just leaves applications in limbo without a response for years.
And that unfortunately is how the system works

Couldn’t of said it better....

[RedVEVO]

Before you are considered to be granted an FUL you must submit a medical along with a psychological assessment for suitability of owning said firearm. So issues like being overly sensitive and psychological problems are supposed to be picked up way before being granted a licence. In addition to that your district police authority has to do a full investigation and interview with you before they submit their recommendations regarding your application to the commissioner. So Trinidad does in fact have some of the best assessment procedures for firearm ownership with regards to weeding out unsuitable applicants.
The problem is once all this is done and the file reaches the commissioner he leaves it there to collect dust. He is openly anti gun and if he denies your application it had to be conveyed to you in a letter and you have a right to appeal to the firearms appeal board. Since he obviously would want to avoid facing a board he just leaves applications in limbo without a response for years.
And that unfortunately is how the system works

Couldn’t of said it better....

The system need to drastically change .

[Redman]

That process needs to be scrapped
Best assessment procedures...?
No way

The process of FUL and or FUEC are antiquated and bear little relevance to carrying a fire arm.

[RedVEVO]

That process needs to be scrapped
Best assessment...?
No way

Agree here in short .

You cannot have ONE MAN deciding your fate , your business and family security .

While not accomplishing in his job but FUL of excuses .

[88sins]

I got one phrase for u RedVagina


La Migra

[RedVEVO]

I got one phrase for u RedVagina


La Migra

Ok

I think you soon nice Papi .

Can I buy you a pellet gun , we can meet on evenings and use your head as target practice ?

Tuesdays ?

[88sins]

btw, d flavor tonight is strawberry. it go be strong nuff to last so u go get some flavor in d mornin

[RedVEVO]

Why just business people?

You serious ?

Why would you need a gun for personal ?

[Redman]

Yes I'm serious...are you?

Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself

[RedVEVO]

Yes I'm serious...are you?

Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself

Why you need to protect yourself ?

Do you own a business ?

[Redman]

Yes I'm serious...are you?

Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself

Why you need to protect yourself ?

Do you own a business ?

Yes.

Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself.

[RedVEVO]

Yes I'm serious...are you?

Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself

Why you need to protect yourself ?

Do you own a business ?

Yes.

Demonstrate to me how not owning a biz obviates my right to protect myself.

No business, no money , no need gun

If you need self protection = TTPS

[Redman]

How many people killed in the last month own a business?

[rspann]

How many people killed in the last month that were either not known to the police or not in domestic situations? Ie. How many innocent people were killed that could have been saved by having a firearm? It has to be factored in. Most of the killings have a reason behind them . Having a gun is good for self defense ,but it also brings problems with it.

[Redman]

Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.

[pugboy]

can works both ways also in the mind of the bandit
if all them chinese restaurant/bar/casino owners had guns
would they be considered such easy targets ?

as it is now, to the bandit the risk of encountering resistance via defensive fire from licensed victim is very slim
very little thought given to it I would guess

How many people killed in the last month own a business?

[88sins]

imma jus rest this here for now
https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-2-sho ... 02499.html

[RedVEVO]

Yep.
No doubt.
why use an arbitrary qualification ( business ownership) that has no causal relationship to an individual's need/ desire to have a fire arm to defend themselves?

The qualification process should be detailed,rigorous, and timely and relevant.

Ok.

But what is your need to own a gun ? Why ?

If you do not have a business and have no cash to hold or deposit ..

Why do you need a gun ?