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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 28th, 2016, 8:47 pm

1990 was serious man
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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby pugboy » July 28th, 2016, 10:04 pm

lets not forget for the next couple decades
every week is a newspaper headline with some bandit/murder by an "ex muslimeen member"

lets not forget urp ghost gangs controlled by muslimeen
the many businesses that had to hire muslim security ie extortion

nor the rise of chaps like robocop, mark guerra et al
and of course the kidnapping spree

and the idiot politicians who courted them like dhanraj singh, joan yuille williams and others
how did abu bakr get to own 31 high value properties in a short space of time ?
and buy back some with cash when the govt was able to seize and auction them off

fuad abu bakr should spend time researching this instead

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Re: RE: Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Morpheus » July 29th, 2016, 3:00 am

TurboSingh12 wrote:I was watching a cartoon on TTT at the time :?

LoL. Yesterday I was telling someone the same thing. Was pissed when they cut it and went outside to play. Missed a piece of our history there yes

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Morpheus » July 29th, 2016, 3:11 am

Wheyyy @ the VHS club on Maraval Road in one of those pics

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby hydroep » July 27th, 2017, 7:15 am

Bakr: Uprising could happen again

by Shane Superville Thursday, July 27 2017

ON THE 27th anniversary of the 1990 attempted coup today, Imam Yasin Abu Bakr, leader of the Jamaat Al Muslimeen and the man behind that insurrection, believes a second uprising can happen if the country’s appointed leaders continue to ignore the will of the people .

Newsday spoke to Bakr at his Mucurapo compound on Tuesday .

He explained that the reason for his decision in carrying out the insurrection 27 years ago, was to address rampant corruption under the then National Alliance for Reconstruction (NAR) government .

He cited circumstances surrounding the death of WPC Bernadette James .

“You know what’s the genesis of this thing? The politicians were dealing drugs and they killed Bernadette James. That is the genesis and if something like this happens again. I don’t know...we may very well do the same thing because you can’t just kill women,” Bakr said. He added that the Jamaat al Muslimeen remains prepared to do what it takes to ensure the safety of women and children .

“We are prepared to do whatever it takes to ensure women and children are protected. At least in 1990, women were not being slashed or stripped naked and raped .

“This is what is going on now and this is the very same moral abyss I spoke of in my address 27 years ago.” Bakr said the failure of governments, past and present, to properly address crime and criminality in the wake of the attempted coup was what led to an increase in violent crimes and more emboldened criminals .

“We’ve come to see it that by not making the appropriate changes, society has descended into the abyss and I don’t know how or when we’re going to return .

Every day we have murders and we are at a stage where people are slitting women’s throats .

“While it is in the best interest of the Prime Minister and the National Security Minister to solve the crime, they just don’t know how to do it. Prior to 1990, we controlled the streets and if you look at the murder rate then, it never exceeded one hundred in a year,” Bakr said .

Asked if the current economic situation in Trinidad is in any way similar to the economic downturn of 1989, which produced the attempted coup, Bakr said that the situation for many working class people has worsened. He criticised both the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader for their recent meeting which he said failed to address the plight of people living below the poverty line. “It’s 100% worst. That is the reality for a lot of the working class people in Trinidad today .

According to a recent report, 500,000 persons are now living with less than $1,000 .

That is less than minimum wage. When the government changed hands, the results of this study went from the Partnership to the People’s National Movement and they did absolutely nothing to alleviate this most important issue .

“Politicians are flirting in the face of the people by saying they are going to meet and they have an agenda that does not include the priorities.” Newsday also spoke to former 1990 attempted coup hostage Wendell Eversley who agreed with his former captor Bakr, that conditions in TT are ripe for a second uprising, simply because of the government’s failure to aggressively tackle organised crime .

“We have a situation where there are young men wanting to go to Syria to fight for ISIS .

Where is the intelligence gathering? Things like intelligence gathering are still largely absent from our National Security council,” Eversley said .




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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby timelapse » July 27th, 2017, 7:18 am

We red and ready for this

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby airuma » July 27th, 2017, 9:01 am

Well, if it does happen, we can't say that we were not warned!
One thing for sure, if the same group pulls this again, it will be far worse than the last time.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby pugboy » July 27th, 2017, 9:21 am

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Dizzy28 » July 27th, 2017, 9:29 am

There is an article in Wired868 this week from a girl who grew up on the Jamat's compound. Good reading.
She basically described Abu as Jim Jones without the Kool Aid. Explains how he got the youths to join him in that debacle.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby airuma » July 27th, 2017, 9:58 am

Dizzy28 wrote:There is an article in Wired868 this week from a girl who grew up on the Jamat's compound. Good reading.
She basically described Abu as Jim Jones without the Kool Aid. Explains how he got the youths to join him in that debacle.

If it is true that just under half the population is living with $1,000 (I assume this means $1,000.00 per month) and we have a "powerful" 1%. It will not be hard to get youths to join.... maybe even easier now than then!

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 27th, 2017, 11:26 am

The economy is more in a stagnation, so things are not as bad as the late 1980s... as YET. If oil and gas prices drop again and we go to the IMF begging for help... round 2 for sure.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 27th, 2017, 11:32 am

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby TurboSingh12 » July 27th, 2017, 11:32 am

I feel we need another Coup to wake up the Government.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby 16 cycles » July 27th, 2017, 12:02 pm

we don't ever need a coup - the last one set us back and we still feeling the effects of it....

not something to joke about.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby matr1x » July 27th, 2017, 2:11 pm

And Bakr allowed to walk free. .......no justice

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby recession racer » July 27th, 2017, 2:16 pm

16 cycles wrote:we don't ever need a coup - the last one set us back and we still feeling the effects of it....

not something to joke about.

Excuse me cycles.. no disrespect.. no need to blast me etc however i would like to know how it has set as back etc.

Genuinely curious

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Redman » July 27th, 2017, 2:40 pm

In terms of country risk and the costs and willingness of international entities to do business here,lend money etc.

Costs associated of expats being housed -insurance etc

I spoke to some one that did that sort of thing after the last coup-in about 94.
she estimated that it cost 1B USD...if my memory serves me correctly...

made up in

Cancelled business post coup
Higher fees and interest rates for financing

Premiums added for Insurance contracts etc
Additional commercialization on whatever financing was being arranged.
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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby matr1x » July 27th, 2017, 2:41 pm

Bakr. ..27 years too long alive.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby ADONI » July 27th, 2017, 2:57 pm

Did they listen to Robby though???
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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby hydroep » July 27th, 2017, 3:09 pm

From what I heard they prosecuted the case from a "bound to lose" position. They argued that the word of the President in granting amnesty to the insurgents was null and void because he was under duress. But the court found that to use that argument would mean that the word of the President is only "good" under favourable conditions and that didn't make sense.

As to whether or not that was done on purpose, well...that's another question. Suffice it to say...if I remember correctly...a post coup Abu Bakr appeared on a certain party's political platform and mentioned something about him being considered for the Minister of National Security. Then again, I could be wrong... :|

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Dizzy28 » July 27th, 2017, 3:37 pm

hydroep wrote:From what I heard they prosecuted the case from a "bound to lose" position. They argued that the word of the President in granting amnesty to the insurgents was null and void because he was under duress. But the court found that to use that argument would mean that the word of the President is only "good" under favourable conditions and that didn't make sense.

As to whether or not that was done on purpose, well...that's another question. Suffice it to say...if I remember correctly...a post coup Abu Bakr appeared on a certain party's political platform and mentioned something about him being considered for the Minister of National Security. Then again, I could be wrong... :|


The Government eventually won that the amnesty was null and void on appeal at the Privy Council.

Twenty-four people were killed in the coup attempt which lasted six days before Abu Bakr and the other insurgents surrendered to the armed forces.

They were tried for treason but the Court of Appeal upheld the amnesty offered to secure their surrender.

The Privy Council in London, England, later invalidated the amnesty but Abu Bakr and his followers were not rearrested....http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20170327 ... t-abu-bakr

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby d.d.s. » July 27th, 2017, 6:32 pm

matr1x wrote:And Bakr allowed to walk free. .......no justice

This. Every year I wonder how is it possible.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby matr1x » July 27th, 2017, 7:29 pm

2 members who used to work at registration at red house
They told me how they had guns to their heads.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Average » July 27th, 2017, 7:51 pm

ADONI wrote:Did they listen to Robby though???


You see this, as much as some ppl dislike him, God rest his soul, this was the most ballsy move ever.
This take win over ALL community leaders and gangsters we have today. That was MAN, that was BALLS.

Now we too occupied with small talk and stupidness.


Oh and yeah bakr should not have made it.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby pugboy » July 27th, 2017, 8:11 pm

The privy council eventually ruled in our favor but as usual they said too late to do anything,
Bunch of imps they are. So if so why do they bother to hear appeals ?

The biggest imp was justice clebert brooks who set abu free,
If he had any stones he woulda have him locked up and let him appeal instead all the way to the privy council and lose.
Our judges are a real bunch of idiots, no balls
No wonder the judiciary in the mess it is now.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby matr1x » July 27th, 2017, 8:53 pm

We need to round up the muslimeen and handle them Trump style

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby sMASH » July 27th, 2017, 9:23 pm

Birds of a feather... nobody ain't touching Bakr, least their own feathers be ruffled

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby widdyphuck » July 27th, 2017, 9:28 pm

The_Honourable wrote:The economy is more in a stagnation, so things are not as bad as the late 1980s... as YET. If oil and gas prices drop again and we go to the IMF begging for help... round 2 for sure.

How bad was it back then with respect to the economy...

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby The_Honourable » July 28th, 2017, 1:21 am

wtf wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:The economy is more in a stagnation, so things are not as bad as the late 1980s... as YET. If oil and gas prices drop again and we go to the IMF begging for help... round 2 for sure.

How bad was it back then with respect to the economy...


Oil prices which was $40US fell to $8US.

Unemployment began in the 1980's at 10% but by 1990, 22%.

Wages and salaries for the public sector was reduced. Approx 30,000 public sector jobs were lost. VTEP & VSEP packages offered to workers below 50 years old.

Social Expenditure dropped 47%.

Subsidies on basic food items were discontinued. Price controls removed meaning subject to inflation.

Emergency powers executed by Central Bank which resulted in the closure of a few financial institutions. Was able to salvage National Commercial Bank (NCB), the Trinidad Co-operative Bank (TCB), and the Workers' Bank which was eventually merged to be First Citizens Bank.

Most state assets were making losses such as the Iron and Steel Company of Trinidad and Tobago (ISCOTT) which was eventually purchased by Arcelor Mittal under Caribbean ISPAT.

Many state assets were privatized (full or partial) in the late 80's which continued into the mid 90's. Just a decade before in the 70's, we were in a boom and the government was on a nationalization spree which began racking up debt. Sounds Venezuela-ish?

Over 170 stores went into receivership or bankruptcy. Leading example was popular retail chain at the time Kirpalani's.

Central Bank imposed limited US currency distribution. Whoever leaves the country without declaring to Central Bank will end up with a fine or jail. Black market proliferated as a result.

Foreign exchange reserves was only 3 months import cover.

Valued Added Tax was introduced at 15%.

33% Devaluation of the dollar in Dec 1985 and then a further 15% in Aug 1988.

Crime especially murders increased. Narco trade began to flourish with powder cocaine and eventually crack cocaine.

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Re: REMEMBER JULY 27th 1990.

Postby Dizzy28 » July 28th, 2017, 9:23 am

^^ Sauce??

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