Fidel Castro is no more

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well go cuba and see from yourself since allya know everything

[Dizzy28]

well go cuba and see from yourself since allya know everything

I don't know everything. What is do know is that Cuba has -
1. life expectancy is virtually identical to that in the United States
2. Cuba has more doctors per head of population than many far richer countries can boast 6.72/100,000 [T&T 1.18/100,000]
3. 67 out of 177 countries on the UN's human development index, which measures health, education and living standards [Trinidad is 64]
4. Cuba has introduced something like 4 vaccines for Cancer

I also know that there -
1. Has been no Free and Fair elections under the Castros
2. Are disappearances of persons in opposition to the Castros
3. Systematic Human Rights abuses
3. Food and Toiletries are rationed under the allotment system
4. Income per capita is one of the lowest in all of LAC
5. Is a Cuban population in South Florida larger than the population of Trinidad and Tobago who have fled from something that wasn't nice

There Education and Health advancements have come at a heavy price of personal freedoms. Was it worth it??

[moving]

Cuba is no way near how it is portraid in the media.
i was just like you, until i went Cuba. and yeah it changed my perception...you should go and visit and see for yourself.

you all act like cuba was a haven until castro took over, fact is cuba wasn't a nice place at all.
maybe it is in a better place today than if it was left under the Batista regime.. i guess we will never know.

and yeah those issues you listed some are true to an extent and some are misunderstood .

food and toiletries - misunderstood (everyone gets a ration of food and toiletries, but you can still buy more)

lowest income in all of LAC - misunderstood (two currencies: one for locals (worth nothing in us) and one for foreigners (worth almost 1 US) so yea if locals convert to us its worth nothing, but it is still has alot of buying power in cuba.

fleeing cuba -come on we have at least half a million trinis that also fled to the states... why because of crime, politics, better opportunities, family etc. yea cuba has a longer list but you cant stop people for thinking the grass is greener on the other side.

all im saying is we can learn alot from cuba and from castro.
not everything he did was bad and to be honest he must of had his reasons (whether you agree with it or not)

it aint no North Korea

[rspann]

I have a Cuban worker whose wife is a psychologist and she works for $40 US per month, they cannot buy food to feed themselves and their baby.
He works for more in one day here than she gets for the month.

[baigan]

Castro was a GOOD BOY
He didn't do anything...



Except killed and repressed his own people, to the point where tons of them are either jailed or executed for speaking out, or forced to live in poverty and only dream of living the lives we currently live with their only option being fleeing the country on risky rafts and hope they're not caught otherwise they'll be well....jailed or executed for trying to flee...

My Cuban ex gf Mia from back in my teen years had her father jailed for a long time for trying to escape the country to join her and her mother in Miami... they lived in poverty before, and could only dream of buying the things they have now. Her mother is currently the manager at a chevy dealership and she's studying at uni and working part time in an animal shelter. They have their own home, and a vehicle. Something they never had in Cuba...

Btw decade old Econ box cars that'll cost us around 40-80k TT used costs around 40-80k U.S in Cuba...And well when you got nurses making 25$ a month and doctors making 50$ a month well...

Cuba ! Where even a doctor can't afford a car....a used, old, economy car...

[Dizzy28]

^ Nah dan you lying...Castro made Cuba into an utopia.



All because people saw a sanitized version of the country meant to create a facade to tourists upon whom they depend quite heavily on for income and foreign exchange.

[RBphoto]

You know... when you say "Castro actually partook in the murder of people"... then you hear "Buttt...." You wonder if there is a particular kind of stupid that they put in the water in their regional corporation.

[Morpheus]

Are those images from Trinidad?

[rspann]

I only have one thing to say, Anna Karla Suarez

[desifemlove]

not as bad as Mao, Stalin, Kim JOng-Il or the Khmer Rouge.

so get free healthcare nd not be harassed that much, or be purged by Uncle Joe, or get imprisoned by the Khmer Rouge for being ain an intellectual (by their definition) job. tough call, eh?

[RBphoto]

not as bad as Mao, Stalin, Kim JOng-Il or the Khmer Rouge.

so get free healthcare nd not be harassed that much, or be purged by Uncle Joe, or get imprisoned by the Khmer Rouge for being ain an intellectual (by their definition) job. tough call, eh?

Yeah.. he did not murder THAT many people right? Cuban doctors don't make more than laborers and their education is sheit.

[sMASH]

What if there wasn't any U.S. embargo in Cuba? How might have things gone economically?

[meccalli]

Nothing new, France and the US embargoed Haiti. The spite of being whupped by black slaves. The class dialectic that exists was the force that drove those revolutionists to do what they did, to create a new social order. Opinions will always differ due to that person's desires. Working for wealth and working for the gratification of self and society's needs will determine how people view castro and his crew, you will note that the older generation ironically is much more pro revolutionary than the new.
http://www.rlwclarke.net/courses/LITS33 ... eorge&Noel).pdf

[RBphoto]

What if there wasn't any U.S. embargo in Cuba? How might have things gone economically?

People would have still been executed.

[RBphoto]

Nothing new, France and the US embargoed Haiti. The spite of being whupped by black slaves. The class dialectic that exists was the force that drove those revolutionists to do what they did, to create a new social order. Opinions will always differ due to that person's desires. Working for wealth and working for the gratification of self and society's needs will determine how people view castro and his crew, you will note that the older generation ironically is much more pro revolutionary than the new.
http://www.rlwclarke.net/courses/LITS33 ... eorge&Noel).pdf

Still killed people personally

[desifemlove]

not as bad as Mao, Stalin, Kim JOng-Il or the Khmer Rouge.

so get free healthcare nd not be harassed that much, or be purged by Uncle Joe, or get imprisoned by the Khmer Rouge for being ain an intellectual (by their definition) job. tough call, eh?

Yeah.. he did not murder THAT many people right? Cuban doctors don't make more than laborers and their education is sheit.

there's more to a functional healthcare system than doctors' pay. that said, Fidel vs. Stalin vs. Chairman Mao....no contest.

[Dizzy28]

Chairman Meow > Chairman Mao

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[moving]

u are right. castro did kill people.

just like bush, obama, putin and basically any other major political leader that is/was engaged in some form of internal or external conflict.
war is war and unfortunately people die.

not defending him but its the reality.. cuba had serious internal conflict for a while and these things happen

[RBphoto]

u are right. castro did kill people.

just like bush, obama, putin and basically any other major political leader that is/was engaged in some form of internal or external conflict.
war is war and unfortunately people die.

not defending him but its the reality.. cuba had serious internal conflict for a while and these things happen

Could have fooled me.

[De Dragon]

Viva La Revolucion!!!
Comrade Fidel will live on in our hearts!

[RBphoto]

Viva La Revolucion!!!
Comrade Fidel will live on in our hearts!

You would not have internet.

[baigan]

Viva La Revolucion!!!
Comrade Fidel will live on in our hearts!

You would not have internet.

Lol pretty much
When they're making 25$ u.s a month and basic high speed internet packages costs 30$
They won't even have devices to use the internet

Yet people keep on praising Castro

[desifemlove]

to put fidel in the same class as stalin is pretty dim haha... de old man weren't that bad.

[sMASH]

[Sanctifier]

Good riddance to ol' sh!t . . . ahmm . . . rubbish!