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Re: Gunman kills 50 in an Orlando nightclub...

Postby Dizzy28 » June 13th, 2016, 3:33 pm

bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?

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Postby bluesclues » June 13th, 2016, 3:59 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.

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Postby Dizzy28 » June 13th, 2016, 4:05 pm

bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gunman kills 50 in an Orlando nightclub...

Postby bluesclues » June 13th, 2016, 4:09 pm

Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?


The galil is an antiquities piece that is only found in museums around the world.

The ar15 is cheaper.

Wut?

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Re: Gunman kills 50 in an Orlando nightclub...

Postby lostboys crew » June 13th, 2016, 4:20 pm

Just because a gun is old does not mean it's obsolete. Just ask Mr. Kalashnikov

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Postby Habit7 » June 13th, 2016, 4:30 pm

Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:
This just proves my point. You have to add up the whole of Europe consisting of several different countries to compare to the US in terms of frequency.
What's wrong with that? You want to compare 5 million Norway alone with 323 million USA?

According to the table, EU (500 million) when normalised to fatalities per million, only have a 0.04 difference to US, statistically the same.


I agree you can't compare it to a small country like Norway as well BUT encompassing all of Europe also doesn't seem to view in detail the types of attacks. For example lumping Belgium and France's terrorist attacks into mass shootings skews the figures. When I talk about mass shootings in the US I do not include international terrorists. Also it's easy to ignore the topic of ease of obtaining guns and how that affects things when you simply encompass all of Europe in any comparison.


But you lumping this shooting in "mass shootings." Paris and Brussels attacks have suspects who were local just like this Orlando shootings, San Bernardino and Fort Hood. All these attacks were Islamic terrorism.

While ease of terrorist obtaining guns is a problem, ease of law abiding citizens obtaining guns is a benefit.

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Postby bluesclues » June 13th, 2016, 4:30 pm

lostboys crew wrote:Just because a gun is old does not mean it's obsolete. Just ask Mr. Kalashnikov


A galil sympathizer. Sure its a good working gun, but let's talk accessories and the advantages they can provide in tactical day vs night situations.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gunman kills 50 in an Orlando nightclub...

Postby nixonliketheprez » June 13th, 2016, 4:31 pm

bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?


The galil is an antiquities piece that is only found in museums around the world.

The ar15 is cheaper.

Wut?


There isn't much difference between the AR-15 and most variants of the Galil. One US made, one Israeli.
Galil is used more widely, holds more bullets and is actually less of an antique than the AR-15(1972 vs 1958).

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Postby bluesclues » June 13th, 2016, 4:48 pm

nixonliketheprez wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?


The galil is an antiquities piece that is only found in museums around the world.

The ar15 is cheaper.

Wut?


There isn't much difference between the AR-15 and most variants of the Galil. One US made, one Israeli.
Galil is used more widely, holds more bullets and is actually less of an antique than the AR-15(1972 vs 1958).


Yeah there is ar mag adaptation and whatnot and its a good working gun. I said that. But are they still even being made? Galil is a kinda collectors item now from what I understand. Its more expensive than the ar15, but does that expense translate as an assault advantage team vs team, ar15 vs galil. And still there is an advantage gained from learning different weapons even if u not going to be using them, its good to know their weaknesses if ur in a confrontation against them. Sure enough u can kill a man holding an ar with a spoon if u can identify all his inefficiencies and strike swiftly and deadly. Maybe a slight exaggeration but u know what I mean.

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Postby nixonliketheprez » June 13th, 2016, 5:13 pm

bluesclues wrote:
nixonliketheprez wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?


The galil is an antiquities piece that is only found in museums around the world.

The ar15 is cheaper.

Wut?


There isn't much difference between the AR-15 and most variants of the Galil. One US made, one Israeli.
Galil is used more widely, holds more bullets and is actually less of an antique than the AR-15(1972 vs 1958).


Yeah there is ar mag adaptation and whatnot and its a good working gun. I said that. But are they still even being made? Galil is a kinda collectors item now from what I understand. Its more expensive than the ar15, but does that expense translate as an assault advantage team vs team, ar15 vs galil. And still there is an advantage gained from learning different weapons even if u not going to be using them, its good to know their weaknesses if ur in a confrontation against them. Sure enough u can kill a man holding an ar with a spoon if u can identify all his inefficiencies and strike swiftly and deadly. Maybe a slight exaggeration but u know what I mean.


Yup still being made and still widely used, AR-15 just cheaper and lighter and generally for a different environment. the fact there are more accessories and more spoken of is because it is a consumer product mainly. The expense is due to how it's made and that also makes it more reliable. The weight and price is the only disadvantage really

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Postby bluesclues » June 13th, 2016, 5:26 pm

nixonliketheprez wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
nixonliketheprez wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:Either way, if I wanted to protect my ppl. All now I have 2 40ft container of ar15 loading in Tetron barracks for our boys to train with to fight a terrorist threat if it ever shows up on our shores.


What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?


The galil is an antiquities piece that is only found in museums around the world.

The ar15 is cheaper.

Wut?


There isn't much difference between the AR-15 and most variants of the Galil. One US made, one Israeli.
Galil is used more widely, holds more bullets and is actually less of an antique than the AR-15(1972 vs 1958).


Yeah there is ar mag adaptation and whatnot and its a good working gun. I said that. But are they still even being made? Galil is a kinda collectors item now from what I understand. Its more expensive than the ar15, but does that expense translate as an assault advantage team vs team, ar15 vs galil. And still there is an advantage gained from learning different weapons even if u not going to be using them, its good to know their weaknesses if ur in a confrontation against them. Sure enough u can kill a man holding an ar with a spoon if u can identify all his inefficiencies and strike swiftly and deadly. Maybe a slight exaggeration but u know what I mean.


Yup still being made and still widely used, AR-15 just cheaper and lighter and generally for a different environment. the fact there are more accessories and more spoken of is because it is a consumer product mainly. The expense is due to how it's made and that also makes it more reliable. The weight and price is the only disadvantage really


Still though we should at least have a small tactical unit that gets to play with advanced weaponry in preparation for extreme situations. Not just the guns, the gear as well. Not a very big investment required from the government.. maybe a few million dollars and take advantage of government organisation discounts.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Gunman kills 50 in an Orlando nightclub...

Postby nixonliketheprez » June 13th, 2016, 5:35 pm

bluesclues wrote:
nixonliketheprez wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
nixonliketheprez wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
bluesclues wrote:
Dizzy28 wrote:
What?? :?


If you an ostrich u wont know what im talking about.

Son it have grenade and rocket launcher and ar15s in this country already. They not in law enforcement or military hand tho. U feel when men bring them ting out to play them mp5 could say something? Our 'defence force', needs to be training with more powerful weapons at this point in time. Not every incident they will respond with ar's, but they should have them and know how to use them should the need arise. Just like we all should. again, the only ppl that don't have one, is you... the law abiding citizen.


Whats the difference between the Galil and AR 15?


The galil is an antiquities piece that is only found in museums around the world.

The ar15 is cheaper.

Wut?


There isn't much difference between the AR-15 and most variants of the Galil. One US made, one Israeli.
Galil is used more widely, holds more bullets and is actually less of an antique than the AR-15(1972 vs 1958).


Yeah there is ar mag adaptation and whatnot and its a good working gun. I said that. But are they still even being made? Galil is a kinda collectors item now from what I understand. Its more expensive than the ar15, but does that expense translate as an assault advantage team vs team, ar15 vs galil. And still there is an advantage gained from learning different weapons even if u not going to be using them, its good to know their weaknesses if ur in a confrontation against them. Sure enough u can kill a man holding an ar with a spoon if u can identify all his inefficiencies and strike swiftly and deadly. Maybe a slight exaggeration but u know what I mean.


Yup still being made and still widely used, AR-15 just cheaper and lighter and generally for a different environment. the fact there are more accessories and more spoken of is because it is a consumer product mainly. The expense is due to how it's made and that also makes it more reliable. The weight and price is the only disadvantage really


Still though we should at least have a small tactical unit that gets to play with advanced weaponry in preparation for extreme situations. Not just the guns, the gear as well. Not a very big investment required from the government.. maybe a few million dollars and take advantage of government organisation discounts.


I feel you and agree with exposure to other pieces but the AR-15 wouldn't be considered advanced or its use considered necessary training on the level of the Regiment. It's a toy compared to what's out there.... Dangerous and just as deadly nonetheless

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Postby bluesclues » June 13th, 2016, 6:06 pm

^it would be good to know our regiment is training with advanced military tech that is relevant to the times. They must feel strong and confident against extremists if the need arises. Because God knows, the way we have our people defenseless with our gun laws, the regiment are our only hope in such a situation! Unless they get help from some of the illegal guns out there.

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Postby rollingstock » June 13th, 2016, 6:58 pm

This bluesclues fella have no idea what he speaks of.

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Postby Miktay » June 13th, 2016, 7:10 pm

^^^yea kina thought so....

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Postby shogun » June 13th, 2016, 7:29 pm

Only a few seconds. Nothing graphic shown. Just an idea of what it was like, when the gunman started firing

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Postby rspann » June 13th, 2016, 7:37 pm

LGBT vex that Dr Rowley didn't mention that the people killed, were gay, in his condolences. Sheesh!

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Postby lostboys crew » June 13th, 2016, 7:38 pm

Party was pumping. Glad the mofo got a taste of his own medicine. No virgins for him.

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Postby SR » June 13th, 2016, 7:50 pm

Soo an american citizen killed americans....on american soil...and was on the radar by the fbi for a while now......yet they couldnt see this happening and blame immigrants and muslims.....

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Postby shogun » June 13th, 2016, 7:57 pm

SR wrote:Soo an american citizen killed americans....on american soil...and was on the radar by the fbi for a while now......yet they couldnt see this happening and TRUMP blames immigrants and muslims.....


Fixed


From what I've heard, everyone else acknowledges the guy was an American and that ties with Muslim-Americans should be deepened and not strained. Everyone else but Trump, that is. Expected

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Postby SR » June 13th, 2016, 7:59 pm

Wrong forget trump quite a few americans are misguided by fox and cnn and share the same view as trump before he even made a statment

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Postby shogun » June 13th, 2016, 8:03 pm

Haven't seen CNN, but what do you expect of FUXNews?

Hate-mongering pays the bills over there

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Postby Allergic2BunnyEars » June 13th, 2016, 8:32 pm

Habit7 wrote:
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:
Habit7 wrote:
Allergic2BunnyEars wrote:
This just proves my point. You have to add up the whole of Europe consisting of several different countries to compare to the US in terms of frequency.
What's wrong with that? You want to compare 5 million Norway alone with 323 million USA?

According to the table, EU (500 million) when normalised to fatalities per million, only have a 0.04 difference to US, statistically the same.


I agree you can't compare it to a small country like Norway as well BUT encompassing all of Europe also doesn't seem to view in detail the types of attacks. For example lumping Belgium and France's terrorist attacks into mass shootings skews the figures. When I talk about mass shootings in the US I do not include international terrorists. Also it's easy to ignore the topic of ease of obtaining guns and how that affects things when you simply encompass all of Europe in any comparison.


But you lumping this shooting in "mass shootings." Paris and Brussels attacks have suspects who were local just like this Orlando shootings, San Bernardino and Fort Hood. All these attacks were Islamic terrorism.

While ease of terrorist obtaining guns is a problem, ease of law abiding citizens obtaining guns is a benefit.


I lump this under mass shootings separate to those of Paris because those were well coordinated and involved highly trained individuals under the influence of terrorist groups. There is no clear link to that with this shooting. I lump this shooting under deranged domestic shooters with easy access to weapons as opposed to jumping on the Islamic terrorist bandwagon at the moment.

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Postby 88sins » June 13th, 2016, 9:11 pm

rollingstock wrote:This bluesclues fella have no idea what he speaks of.



U picked up on that too huh

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Postby viedcht » June 13th, 2016, 9:18 pm

SR wrote:Soo an american citizen killed americans....on american soil...and was on the radar by the fbi for a while now......yet they couldnt see this happening and blame immigrants and muslims.....


Not surprised

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Now they have more hate for Buju.

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Re: Gunman kills 50 in an Orlando nightclub...

Postby crock101 » June 14th, 2016, 9:44 am

There were millions of guns in Florida that night yet it was the one in the hands of a jihadist that murdered those people, while gun control may be a problem , the problem that night was radical Islam.

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Postby Habit7 » June 14th, 2016, 10:10 am

Both home and abroad many are viewing this as a hate crime. But more info coming out now that he might have been gay himself, visiting the gay club for 3 years and reaching out to another gay man via a gay dating app.

So motives can been ISIS allegiance and radical Islam judgement? Or gay man fighting inward battles?

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Postby Miktay » June 14th, 2016, 10:37 am

Habit7 wrote:Both home and abroad many are viewing this as a hate crime. But more info coming out now that he might have been gay himself, visiting the gay club for 3 years and reaching out to another gay man via a gay dating app.

So motives can been ISIS allegiance and radical Islam judgement? Or gay man fighting inward battles?


or both.

Talk bout vexation.

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Postby Redman » June 14th, 2016, 12:02 pm

crock101 wrote:There were millions of guns in Florida that night yet it was the one in the hands of a jihadist that murdered those people, while gun control may be a problem , the problem that night was radical Islam.


And the solution could have been one more gun in the right hands.

So if Jihadi John was gay or bi.....would he get male virgins or female virgins or mixed?

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