Increased Taxes coming for Turbocharged Vehicles next Budget!

[ingalook]

The 1.0L turbo

If you have low end torque you don't have to spin the engine like crazy to accomplish normal driving tasks like pulling away from a spot light, overtaking etc.

As mentioned before a calmy driven V8 was demonstrated to be more fuel efficient than a Prius that just had to keep up with it.

The "imaginary" 1.0T Fiesta is rated for 66mpg... Pretty impressive to my eyes

[Habit7]

Oh noes!

Ford Fiesta 1.0L Ecoboost varieties either match or do worst fuel economy than the Ford Fiesta 1.0L NA varieties.
http://www.whatcar.com/ford/fiesta/hatchback/versions/

Quick go tell them what they are doing wrong!

[amd-dude]

My 3200cc don't give 2 shits.

[ingalook]

Am.... You know the "Ecoboost" is Turbo right?

[EcoTune Trinidad]

Well look how Vw sales gonna increase.....my baby 1.4tsi has 260hp and achieves up to 48mpg on highway runs....soon to be 320hp with hyrid upgrade...turbo or not its gonna be light taxes....I dare the gubberment to prove its tuned also -bolt on visual mods are another discussion

[Gladiator]

Maybe they will use a factor like in motor racing like 1.4x the cc rating for turbocharged vehicles to determine the n/a equivalent cc. So that 1.0 turbo fiesta wouldnt be affected.

I really cant understand this beat up for this though. It is obvious that they'll have to tax OEM turbo charged vehicles that circumvent the 2.0L NA tax.

A VW 1.4TSI engine (turbocharged) is comparable to a VW 2.0FSI engine (normally aspirated) and both fall under 1999cc. The economical turbo charged engine will not be taxed.

I am yet to hear of an economical middle class targeted +1999cc engine car on the local market. Likewise if you can buy a +1.5T you must have paper. Pay the tax and save the environment.

all that to show support for the gov't.

Turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency and thus save the environment.

No.

Turbos are used to increase power to match that to an engine of greater displacement.

Adding a turbo to an engine doesn't increase fuel efficiency.

PNM Stupidity at its best!!!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

The Chevy Trax is a small compact SUV and sold by Lifestyle Motors in Trinidad.
It has a 1.4L Turbo engine for fuel efficiency.
Clearly this is not a luxury vehicle but an affordable utility vehicle for families.
http://traxtt.com/

Can't see why they would want to tax this.

[Habit7]

Am.... You know the "Ecoboost" is Turbo right?

Yes.

And since you didn't understand my prior post let me rephrase it.

The Ford Fiesta 1.0L Ecoboost/turbo is does not burn less fuel than the Ford Fiesta 1.0L NA. This is despite your claims to the contrary on the page before.

[ingalook]

What are the mpg estimates for both?

[Habit7]

What are the mpg estimates for both?

see link in response to your post at top of page

[sr20ve]

I'm just going to leave this here ...in case you want to get a ride before the next budget increase .
VW1.4 Turbo
Ralliart 2.0 Turbo
Evo X

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1056169184404953.1073741854.209585745729972&type=3

[jhonnieblue]

He won't bull u...might bull ure girl and say that's the monthly tax...but u safe lol

[ingalook]

What are the mpg estimates for both?

see link in response to your post at top of page

From what I see they have the same MPG???

[pete]

Ingalook I gonna PM the MoF and get him to tax VTEC too.

[Habit7]

What are the mpg estimates for both?

see link in response to your post at top of page

From what I see they have the same MPG???

Exactly, this is what I said

Ford Fiesta 1.0L Ecoboost varieties either match or do worst fuel economy than the Ford Fiesta 1.0L NA varieties.
http://www.whatcar.com/ford/fiesta/hatchback/versions/

This goes against novastar1 claim that

Turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency and thus save the environment.

And it goes against your claim that

What you think would use less gas? A 1L turbo or an equivalent 1.4L NA engine?

What you think would use less gas? A 1L turbo or an equivalent 1L NA engine?

The 1.0L turbo

There is no free lunch

[ingalook]

Soooooo if engine A uses "X" amount of fuel to produce 100Nm of torque and engine B uses the same amount of fuel but produces 150Nm of torque it is not true to say that engine B is more efficient???

[drchaos]

What H7 talking about doesn't make sense in the real world ...

He asked "What you think would use less gas? A 1L turbo or an equivalent 1L NA engine?"

The point is if you put a 1.0 NA engine in a ford focus you won't be going anywhere anytime soon, probably won't make it up lady young and in trying to go up you would end up burning more fuel than a 1.0 ecoboost focus coasting up the hill.

There is a reason why all car makers are down sizing and turbocharging and its not because Turbo charging is more inefficient

[drchaos]

Oh noes!

Ford Fiesta 1.0L Ecoboost varieties either match or do worst fuel economy than the Ford Fiesta 1.0L NA varieties.
http://www.whatcar.com/ford/fiesta/hatchback/versions/

Quick go tell them what they are doing wrong!

You do realize that the quoted figures hurts your argument?
1.0 ecoboost 67.5mpg
1.0 zetec 67.5mpg

Ecoboost has more HP, Torque and faster 0-60 times and has the same MPG and engine size.
your argument was started on efficiency and now you trying to change your tune to fuel burned/used and different sized engines ... Please stick to the erroneous statement you first made.
The simple matter is turbocharging will make the car more efficient because you get more power out of the same fuel.

[drchaos]

Foreign currency reserves are declining in Trinidad as it is in every other oil and gas producing country. One way to reduce the demand on foreign currency is to make foreign goods more expensive. The items to be targeted first will be those items which are considered non-essential, like automobiles, electronics and designer clothing. If this strategy does not stem demand then items like food would join the list.
It's the simple reality of getting a cut in earnings while trying to pay all your bills. It's going to get worse before it gets better, unless there's a major conflict somewhere to drive up the price of oil.

All well and good if that is your policy when times are are hard ... but as Trini politicians have shown in the past as soon as things get better the squeeze on citizens is never let up.
Prices for foreign goods will remain high and the extra money earned from taxes will be squandered to line some politician pockets. I agree harsh methods are needed now but do not implement unless you have have an expiry date for these harsh policies or a time period for review set in the law.

[*$kїđž!™]

So the mvt is increased for luxury cars over 2000cc .....Vans not in that mix as its P vehicles this affecting.....but now turbo charged diesel T vehicles would get affected here.....hmm....Them dogs really playing smart to fool they own ppl...

[streetbeastINC.]

its vehicles starting at 2.0

[Kronik]

i feel we are slipping from 3rd world into 4th world.....wtf with all these taxes when they continue to widen the gap between the rich and the poor......

we put all these nuts in office to better our standard of living and the country......yet all of them f@ck up each time..
who had the power to diversify the economy for the last 15-20 years and did not one thing.....yup the f@cking politicians.

Is more like they taxing the middle income persons so much to push them into the lower income ppl bracket

[Miktay]

i feel we are slipping from 3rd world into 4th world.....wtf with all these taxes when they continue to widen the gap between the rich and the poor......

we put all these nuts in office to better our standard of living and the country......yet all of them f@ck up each time..
who had the power to diversify the economy for the last 15-20 years and did not one thing.....yup the f@cking politicians.

Is more like they taxing the middle income persons so much to push them into the lower income ppl bracket

Yep. thats the plan.

ghettofecation.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

taken from here viewtopic.php?p=662374#p662374

[Habit7]

You do realize that the quoted figures hurts your argument?

No they don't. Allow me to make myself clear again. This is the original post.

Turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency and thus save the environment.

No.

Turbos are used to increase power to match that to an engine of greater displacement.

Adding a turbo to an engine doesn't increase fuel efficiency.

The discussion has always been about fuel efficiency. You tried to make it about thermal efficiency, another tuner tried to make it about torque and every thing esle.

The question remains "are turbos used to increase fuel efficiency"? The answer still remains no. I referenced the VW Polo Mk5 1.4L NA vs 1.4l TSI, the Fiat Bravo 1.4L NA vs 1.4L T-Jet 120 vs 1.4L T-Jet 150 and then ingalook brought up the Ford Fiesta. These are the figures:
1.0L naturallly aspirated 65.7MPG
1.0L EcoBoost 125 65.7MPG
1.0L EcoBoost 140 62.8MPG

They further prove my argument which counters novastar1's that "turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency," they do not.

[drchaos]

You do realize that the quoted figures hurts your argument?

No they don't. Allow me to make myself clear again. This is the original post.

Turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency and thus save the environment.

No.

Turbos are used to increase power to match that to an engine of greater displacement.

Adding a turbo to an engine doesn't increase fuel efficiency.

The discussion has always been about fuel efficiency. You tried to make it about thermal efficiency, another tuner tried to make it about torque and every thing esle.

The question remains "are turbos used to increase fuel efficiency"? The answer still remains no. I referenced the VW Polo Mk5 1.4L NA vs 1.4l TSI, the Fiat Bravo 1.4L NA vs 1.4L T-Jet 120 vs 1.4L T-Jet 150 and then ingalook brought up the Ford Fiesta. These are the figures:
1.0L naturallly aspirated 65.7MPG
1.0L EcoBoost 125 65.7MPG
1.0L EcoBoost 140 62.8MPG

They further prove my argument which counters novastar1's that "turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency," they do not.

Take win!!! as you still think that fuel efficiency and Thermal efficiency are completely different concepts
You on ah different level from the rest ah we ... we talking "WORLD BOSS" level.

[Habit7]

Again you are obfuscating the issue. Thermal efficiency increases power in a turbocharged engine.

[M_2NR]

Lol @ the measures in place to "save the environment"

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

You do realize that the quoted figures hurts your argument?

No they don't. Allow me to make myself clear again. This is the original post.

Turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency and thus save the environment.

No.

Turbos are used to increase power to match that to an engine of greater displacement.

Adding a turbo to an engine doesn't increase fuel efficiency.

The discussion has always been about fuel efficiency. You tried to make it about thermal efficiency, another tuner tried to make it about torque and every thing esle.

The question remains "are turbos used to increase fuel efficiency"? The answer still remains no. I referenced the VW Polo Mk5 1.4L NA vs 1.4l TSI, the Fiat Bravo 1.4L NA vs 1.4L T-Jet 120 vs 1.4L T-Jet 150 and then ingalook brought up the Ford Fiesta. These are the figures:
1.0L naturallly aspirated 65.7MPG
1.0L EcoBoost 125 65.7MPG
1.0L EcoBoost 140 62.8MPG

They further prove my argument which counters novastar1's that "turbos are used to increase the fuel efficiency," they do not.

What is the source of that info?

what's the horsepower on the 1.0L N/A? 88hp?

how will that affect the car's ability to carry passengers and load? At what RPM will it produce the required power to carry that load?

[drchaos]

Doh bother boy Duane ... he just not getting it.