HAPPENING NOW PARIS TERROR ATTACK- NOW GERMANY

[Slartibartfast]

Muslims need to get more vocal and let the rest of the world know that ISIS is wrong.

And what if isis is right? Seems everyone is babbling about everything other the the source of instruction.

Because that is a fight for another time. We know what they are doin is morally wrong by our collective standards. Most Muslims and Catholics are smart enough to interpret their holy book in a way that is consistent with proper morals and values. The reason why we need to leave the book as is and focus on the interpretation is because some people can't figure out that rape and slavery are wrong for themselves and need a book instructing them of the right thing. Luckily, holy books are so vaugue that they can be properly interpreted however you want. It is easier to make people see the morally right way as the correct interpretation than it is to convince them all that their book is wrong.

Also some people find meaning in their life through religion and there is no need to remove that meaning. If anything that is a fight for another time. Hopefully they will follow in the footsteps of Christians. Become peaceful and then mentally evolve to a point where they no longer need to use the book as a crutch for their every thought and so start leaving the fairy tales behind.

Edit: cleaned up some grammatical mistakes

[MG Man]

I want to learn more about what meccalli has to say....can you share the source of information?

[meccalli]

Because that is a fight for another time.

It's the fight that will never take place except in the minds of those see the problem. The fight isn't against men in the middle east, it's against an ideology of a single man. An ideology that isis have appealed to, and men and women have answered the call. These middle eastern men aren't here holding their hands and indoctrinating them. It's started long before that, some choose to ignore and others have decided to obey because it's ordained by that man and his god.
It's a lost cause, they will either all be killed in action or accomplish their goal and bring the world into unity under caliphate. There will be more casualties either way.

[STORM1234]

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[djaggs]

There have always been radical islamic groups in the middle east, alongside the not so radical or moderate muslims. The reason the radicals have become so prevalent and powerful is because they have been empowered. The islamic "awakening" that was hailed by many muslims a few years ago was seen as something their god was doing. Many interpreted it to mean that there is a dawning of a new islamic age beginning. This caused the radicals to get excited because they believe that the majdi is going to come and rule over an islamic caliphate that will rule the entire world. They were encouraged to return to the "fundamentals" of the faith. Many Wahabi missionaries went throughout the world (including Trinidad) wherever there were "faithful" preaching their fundamental doctrine.

The Arab spring was seen as part of that awakening. What they didnt condsider was that this uprising was sponsored and engineered by powers in the west. The US govt. together with its allies destabilized secularly run govts in the middle east destroying all the infrastructure that those nations took decades to build. They put weapons in the hands of the only muslims who are willing to fight and kill, the radical fundamentalists who believed that they were serving their god, not Washington or Downing street. They were on a holy Jihad. These fanatics then set about raping and torturing and murdering any and everyone who would not join them, muslims and non muslims alike.

The western powers suddenly realised that they cannot control this monster they created and refuse to acknowledge that the situation today is a result of their own asinine foreign policy.

They empowered the muslim brotherhood in Egypt, the muslim brotherhood is considered a terrorist organization by the govt of Egypt. The Obama administration became buddies with them, and supported their overthrow of the Egyptian govt. Hilary Clinton has members of the brotherhood working for her. This organization has for decades been pursuing the objective of re-establishing a world wide Islamic Caliphate. They were formed after the fall of the Ottoman empire for the purpose of restoring the caliphate.

Where do you think al qaeda came from ??? When Osama Bin Laden went to university, he was mentored by a radical imam known as the blind sheikh. He was a member of the brotherhood.

After the brotherhood took over Egypt, they began to systematically kill, rape and torture anyone who didnt join them. High on their target list were Christians and other minorities. All of these atrocities have been committed before, by the last Caliphate. So who were they following ?

A sensible military leader in Egypt decided enough is enough and overthrew the brotherhood led govt. to stop the carnage that was taking place. The followers of the brotherhood now became hunted (not the first time this has happened in egypt). Many of them went to Libya to overthrow Gaddafi, and were armed. They spilled over into Syria (with encouragement from USA) to overthrow the Syrian govt.

Being SUNNI, the SUNNIS in Iraq who were displaced by the US invasion and destruction of Iraq, began to join the fight in Syria. Somewhere along the line, the ideology of the muslim brotherhood was accepted by these SUNNI fighters since this Caliphate was a SUNNI caliphate, and they would have power once more. They then began calling themselves ISIS, the new Islamic caliphate. It is also no coincidence that Turkey seems to aiding and abetting ISIS, the seat of the last Islamic Caliphate was located in Istanbul.

ISIS has its roots in the muslim brotherhood. The Obama adminstration has close ties to the brotherhood. The US simply realised that the only people who will fight are the radical muslims, so they armed them.

For this reason, I find it hard to feel sorry when there is a terrorist attack in France or England or the US, because this whole sheit is their own creation. If they would only leave the people alone, mind their own business and just trade with other nations like normal people do. But no, they want to control everything. Ive seen videos of christian women and children begging the US to stop sending foreign fighters into their country because they were being raped and killed. And when I put on CNN or MSNBC all I see is a pile of US propaganda BS, nothing about the victims of their own policies. Lies Lies and more lies..........thats all the US can do, lie and decieve. These politicians are all full of sheit, but the time is coming, the tide is going to turn against them.

Take a look at this latest example or US lying BS propaganda:



There was more in the original video I saw but I cant find it, the americans do nothing but lie and spread false propaganda.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

The US never destroyed anyone, these people destroyed themselves. From the moment they called the extermination of Jews they made an enemy with the civilized world.

The middle east was simply given the same treatment that the US and its allies gave to Germany in 1945. You wanna act like barbarians then you will have to deal with barbarians, this is why all civilized countries stand with America.

If not for the USA the entire world would either be one big Nazi Empire or one big Soviet Empire. People need to pull their heads out of their asses with this blaming USA for everything.

[Cantmis]

Didn't Hitler call for the extermination of Jews and had civilised help.

And it was the allied forces vs the axis of powers...

Not USA vs the axis of powers...

[Redman]

I think that after the last couple weeks the whys and who created are irrelevant.

Targeting Russian and French civilians and promising more will force everyone's hand....and doing nothing isn't a politically viable option.

Overplayed their hand.

[brickman]

Police have suspects pinned down in north paris apartment,shootout with officers injured.Woman with suicide vest tried to take out the police,1 civilian killed.6 terrorists in all, 3 dead & 3 arrested.

[djaggs]

The US never destroyed anyone, these people destroyed themselves. From the moment they called the extermination of Jews they made an enemy with the civilized world.

The middle east was simply given the same treatment that the US and its allies gave to Germany in 1945. You wanna act like barbarians then you will have to deal with barbarians, this is why all civilized countries stand with America.

If not for the USA the entire world would either be one big Nazi Empire or one big Soviet Empire. People need to pull their heads out of their asses with this blaming USA for everything.

The US never destroyed anyone ?? You some kinda crazy lunatic ? You need to do some studying bro, read some history. War by proxy is the same as doing it yourself. Who destroyed Libya ? Who destroyed Iraq ? Who tried to destroy Syria but were stopped by the Russians ??

Who destabilised the entire middle east by overthrowing secular govts to have them replaced by extremist fundamentalists ? Who destabilised Europe by causing this refugee crisis. All the right wing fascist lunatics (Nazis included) in Europe are now going to attack muslims living in europe along with the refugees. These countries were stable democracies now they gonna have to deal with possible civil war within their borders. If the fascists regain power in Europe, we going back to a pre 1945 world.

[djaggs]

get a load of this sheit.....

"Five of the wealthiest Muslim countries have taken no Syrian refugees in at all, arguing that doing so would open them up to the risk of terrorism. Although the oil rich countries have handed over aid money, Britain has donated more than Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar combined."


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09 ... terrorism/

[Dizzy28]

get a load of this sheit.....

"Five of the wealthiest Muslim countries have taken no Syrian refugees in at all, arguing that doing so would open them up to the risk of terrorism. Although the oil rich countries have handed over aid money, Britain has donated more than Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar combined."


http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09 ... terrorism/

A mod here will disagree with that statement -

Just an update. No one locally was affected/injured/killed by the events of yesterday. Currently there is one group in Makkah and all of the members are accounted for.

Pics from Arab News FB Page:

All that money being spent in Mecca and Saudia Arabia refuses to accept any Muslim refugees from Syria!!!

but amm...
http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/805236

A link to a story of how the Saudis have taken in 2.5m Syrians.

[LeRobot]

Blaming the west (by extension) the USA for this Middle East crisis is akin to blaming he Europeans for slavery inspire of evidence that African tribes were selling their enemy tribes as slaves.

This is what I meant by all Muslims (and sympathizes) tend to fall back on anti west rhetoric.

If it helps, imagine if Bakr took full control of Laventille, killing a notorious Rasta City leader in the process, which at first brings joy to many. However, soon if any oppose him, they dead. Who do we blame for this quagmire? The government for allowing him too much power and freedom, the people of laventille for allowing this? The persons selling Bakr the guns? The religion he uses the brainwash them to do his bidding?

That is a simplified version of the Syrian conflict. And Islam is constantly being used as a prop to justify everything.

[zoom rader]

The US never destroyed anyone, these people destroyed themselves. From the moment they called the extermination of Jews they made an enemy with the civilized world.

The middle east was simply given the same treatment that the US and its allies gave to Germany in 1945. You wanna act like barbarians then you will have to deal with barbarians, this is why all civilized countries stand with America.

If not for the USA the entire world would either be one big Nazi Empire or one big Soviet Empire. People need to pull their heads out of their asses with this blaming USA for everything.

What utter bullshiet, the US destroys it's own ppl. The original American Injuns.
Steal their lands
Kills them offs
Give them smallpox
Stave them
Put them in reservations (jails)
Limits their freedom.

[maj. tom]

The US never destroyed anyone, these people destroyed themselves. From the moment they called the extermination of Jews they made an enemy with the civilized world.

The middle east was simply given the same treatment that the US and its allies gave to Germany in 1945. You wanna act like barbarians then you will have to deal with barbarians, this is why all civilized countries stand with America.

If not for the USA the entire world would either be one big Nazi Empire or one big Soviet Empire. People need to pull their heads out of their asses with this blaming USA for everything.

bruh when you gonna start lifting and stop your beyotch whining?

Lonely boys tend to be suicidal when the odds of future female companionship are low.

start lifting!

[RASC]

Bomb blast in Nigeria?
32 dead... 80 injured?

[RASC]

[Daran]

Boko Haram, the ISIS's West African branch.

[Habit7]

Boko Haram, the ISIS's West African branch.

actually Boko Haram denies that they are but hey, you are Daran, you probably know better.

[Daran]

Boko Haram, the ISIS's West African branch.

actually Boko Haram denies that they are but hey, you are Daran, you probably know better.

Habit7,

Maybe you missed this. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigeria-boko-haram-changes-name-islamic-states-west-african-province-after-isis-alliance-1498696

But it doesn't really matter does it? They're both heinous groups that need to be vilified and destroyed.

[Habit7]

Boko Haram, the ISIS's West African branch.

actually Boko Haram denies that they are but hey, you are Daran, you probably know better.

Habit7,

Maybe you missed this. http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nigeria-boko-haram-changes-name-islamic-states-west-african-province-after-isis-alliance-1498696

But it doesn't really matter does it? They're both heinous groups that need to be vilified and destroyed.

yeah I missed it.

[mitsutt]

Boko Haram did officially pledge its allegiance to IS several months ago. Meanwhile back in France a woman suicide bomber killed herself after police raided her flats.

[djaggs]

"Moderate" muslims

Some Turkish football fans booed and shouted “Allahu Akbar” (God is great) during the minute’s silence for the victims of the Paris attacks before their national team drew 0-0 with Greece in a friendly international soccer game on Tuesday.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/football/ ... 563IJ.html

[DurzoBlint1]

These events are signs of the times we are in. For those of you who would like to know more about these "signs of the times" I am talking about try googling up "Signs of Qiyamah" or the last days. For those of you who know about the last days this is a look at the last days from a muslim perspective. It was predicted by all the prophets Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad (PBUH). Many people on this forum (as well as worldwide) chose to ignore these "signs" and say they are stories and fairy tales. They are in fact reality as we are seeing today. And mark my words, we will soon see the next world war in the middle east. All the problems we are facing will only continue. Life is changing. The world is changing. But we do not need to behve like animals. We jus have to live with it.

[Habit7]

These events are signs of the times we are in. For those of you who would like to know more about these "signs of the times" I am talking about try googling up "Signs of Qiyamah" or the last days. For those of you who know about the last days this is a look at the last days from a muslim perspective. It was predicted by all the prophets Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad (PBUH). Many people on this forum (as well as worldwide) chose to ignore these "signs" and say they are stories and fairy tales. They are in fact reality as we are seeing today. And mark my words, we will soon see the next world war in the middle east. All the problems we are facing will only continue. Life is changing. The world is changing. But we do not need to behve like animals. We jus have to live with it.

My Muslim friend I refuse to "just live with it." These specific days were not predicted by Jesus, Abraham or Moses. Since the birth of Islam 1400 years ago they have always provide and marauding horde that swept across North Africa to try to invade Europe, and they were beaten back. Likewise the Ottoman Empire was beaten back, so I see good precedent that this new wave of spurious attacks being any more successful as those prior . So don't get your hopes up.

[Daran]

These events are signs of the times we are in. For those of you who would like to know more about these "signs of the times" I am talking about try googling up "Signs of Qiyamah" or the last days. For those of you who know about the last days this is a look at the last days from a muslim perspective. It was predicted by all the prophets Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad (PBUH). Many people on this forum (as well as worldwide) chose to ignore these "signs" and say they are stories and fairy tales. They are in fact reality as we are seeing today. And mark my words, we will soon see the next world war in the middle east. All the problems we are facing will only continue. Life is changing. The world is changing. But we do not need to behve like animals. We jus have to live with it.

Do you honestly believe this? I know it's hard for some people to decipher what's going on in the world, but do you understand the level of cognitive dissonance you're exercising here?

If you ever read between the lines of all doomsday type religious teachings, you'll notice it always coincides with disaster and humanity disobeying the religion and God. Pretty easy to see this is religion's way of keeping their flock obedient and using any disastrous event to correct their flock and bring it to order.

However, there's always a group who welcomes this doomsday with open arms with narcissistic, self-righteous decadence, who seem positively gleeful that we all will die and be sent to hell.

[DurzoBlint1]

These events are signs of the times we are in. For those of you who would like to know more about these "signs of the times" I am talking about try googling up "Signs of Qiyamah" or the last days. For those of you who know about the last days this is a look at the last days from a muslim perspective. It was predicted by all the prophets Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad (PBUH). Many people on this forum (as well as worldwide) chose to ignore these "signs" and say they are stories and fairy tales. They are in fact reality as we are seeing today. And mark my words, we will soon see the next world war in the middle east. All the problems we are facing will only continue. Life is changing. The world is changing. But we do not need to behve like animals. We jus have to live with it.

Do you honestly believe this? I know it's hard for some people to decipher what's going on in the world, but do you understand the level of cognitive dissonance you're exercising here?

If you ever read between the lines of all doomsday type religious teachings, you'll notice it always coincides with disaster and humanity disobeying the religion and God. Pretty easy to see this is religion's way of keeping their flock obedient and using any disastrous event to correct their flock and bring it to order.

However, there's always a group who welcomes this doomsday with open arms with narcissistic, self-righteous decadence, who seem positively gleeful that we all will die and be sent to hell.

I respect your views if you don't believe in religion. But we'll see who is right. Just give things time. If people want to think that the bliss and happiness of life will go on indefinitely then they are free to do so. But even you must agree with me when I say this. We must all die one day in some way shape or form. So to it is with this world. It will come to an end. Jump high jump low. That's the way god made it. everything has a beginning middle and an end.

[Advent]

These events are signs of the times we are in. For those of you who would like to know more about these "signs of the times" I am talking about try googling up "Signs of Qiyamah" or the last days. For those of you who know about the last days this is a look at the last days from a muslim perspective. It was predicted by all the prophets Jesus, Abraham, Moses, and Muhammad (PBUH). Many people on this forum (as well as worldwide) chose to ignore these "signs" and say they are stories and fairy tales. They are in fact reality as we are seeing today. And mark my words, we will soon see the next world war in the middle east. All the problems we are facing will only continue. Life is changing. The world is changing. But we do not need to behve like animals. We jus have to live with it.

Do you honestly believe this? I know it's hard for some people to decipher what's going on in the world, but do you understand the level of cognitive dissonance you're exercising here?

If you ever read between the lines of all doomsday type religious teachings, you'll notice it always coincides with disaster and humanity disobeying the religion and God. Pretty easy to see this is religion's way of keeping their flock obedient and using any disastrous event to correct their flock and bring it to order.

However, there's always a group who welcomes this doomsday with open arms with narcissistic, self-righteous decadence, who seem positively gleeful that we all will die and be sent to hell.

everything has a beginning middle and an end.

Really ? when was the beginning of energy ? also the universe is flat, meaning it would exist forever.
so what you tryna say ?

[Daran]

DurzoBlint1,

Thanks for the respectful response. But the biggest enemies we face at the moment are Climate Change, Radical Islam (aka ISIS) and the Republican Party. First world countries are employing massive research in ensuring humanity will survive and progress.

Modern medicine has extended our lifespans by 30 years in the last 50 years. Poverty is reducing and humans all over the world are prosperous. Global conflict, despite what you see in the news, is at all time low. The rule of law in most countries is progressively getting better.

Our biggest enemy is ourselves. And if we allow religious fairy tales to dictate our lives and ignore climate change and our environment then there's little hope.

I for one am glad that the Western world is dominant and hope its ideology of promoting freedom, democracy and open mindness continues to spread.

[GabrielBad]

DurzoBlint1,

Thanks for the respectful response. But the biggest enemies we face at the moment are Climate Change, Radical Islam (aka ISIS) and the Republican Party. First world countries are employing massive research in ensuring humanity will survive and progress.

Modern medicine has extended our lifespans by 30 years in the last 50 years. Poverty is reducing and humans all over the world are prosperous. Global conflict, despite what you see in the news, is at all time low. The rule of law in most countries is progressively getting better.

Our biggest enemy is ourselves. And if we allow religious fairy tales to dictate our lives and ignore climate change and our environment then there's little hope.

I for one am glad that the Western world is dominant and hope its ideology of promoting freedom, democracy and open mindness continues to spread.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth! Genesis 1:1