.::The Official General Election 2015 Thread::.

[rfari]

^^so why even bother...

I dunno. We just hope that eventually someone will do the right thing because its the right thing to do. Growley has his chance now so its just to see. For all we know, we could get take again for the next 5 years

[zoom rader]

^^so why even bother...

I dunno. We just hope that eventually someone will do the right thing because its the right thing to do. Growley has his chance now so its just to see. For all we know, we could get take again for the next 5 years

Rowley need to watch the middle men.

[wagonrunner]

Is this verified?

[rfari]

^^so why even bother...

I dunno. We just hope that eventually someone will do the right thing because its the right thing to do. Growley has his chance now so its just to see. For all we know, we could get take again for the next 5 years

Rowley need to watch the middle men.

Growley laying in the cut. Don't be surprised if growley implement procurement legislation and make policy changes just to make campaign financing not worth the risk of corruption exposure and consequence

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

^^so why even bother...

We really only have 2 choices in this country, PNM or UNC.

But hey atleast its still a choice, at most we can keep rotating every 5 years till we finally get someone who will do as rfari said, do the right thing simply because its the right thing.

Kamla and the cabal will be gone in 5 years, thats half a decade. If Rowley do the same sheit he go be gone I am sure and so the cycle will keep going, its better than outright giving up. Its clear by now that trinis are not tolerating this die hard party voting sheit anymore. The electorate will keep rotating the UNC and PNM till someone does the right thing but here is hoping to Rowley doing the right thing.

[rfari]

Is this verified?

Nothing from ebc yet

[zoom rader]

Is this verified?

Nope, the figures are incorrect for Moruga Tableland

[zoom rader]

Rfari, Wey the rest non PNM Tuners gone mamoo

[pete]

I feel tapatalk/tuner trolling..

[The_Honourable]

The only person who can run and control the UNC at this point is more than likely Mickaela Panday.

I believe she will nominate herself in the UNC internal elections whenever it is called. Just like what Rowley did since 2010, rebuilding and restoring the PNM, Mickaela can do the same with the UNC from now till 2020.

Right now on UNC fb page they burning her like rawan. She is her daddy in print and UNC supporters still hold him personally responsible a chain of political defeats

Dey going thru dey phase

Many PNMites burn Rowley in 2010 cause they held him responsible for the defeat but he persevered. I'm sure Mickaela can do the same if given the chance. With the mentality like her father, that is exactly what is needed in the UNC right now... clear house.

[rfari]

Rfari, Wey the rest non PNM Tuners gone mamoo

Homie, ppl taking this result rell hard and I dunno if they genuinely fearing the worst under a pnm govt or if they just trying to cause ah scene. Unc honestly believed that a consecutive term in office for guaranteed and their supporters believed it. That's unfortunate.
I've seen ppl completely lose themselves this elections and jeopardise friendships under the banner of ethnic and political differences and I doubt that time can heal these wounds. The internet is like a chip on a tree's trunk; no amount of time can hide the scar made. It may look different but once u see it, u remember how, why and when it happened.

But doh worry. I dey if PNM ever decide to betray the ppl during the next five years. Me and you gonna be in dey asshol3 like a thermometer if dey f*q it up

[rfari]

I feel tapatalk/tuner trolling..

Lawd

[rfari]

The only person who can run and control the UNC at this point is more than likely Mickaela Panday.

I believe she will nominate herself in the UNC internal elections whenever it is called. Just like what Rowley did since 2010, rebuilding and restoring the PNM, Mickaela can do the same with the UNC from now till 2020.

Right now on UNC fb page they burning her like rawan. She is her daddy in print and UNC supporters still hold him personally responsible a chain of political defeats

Dey going thru dey phase

Many PNMites burn Rowley in 2010 cause they held him responsible for the defeat but he persevered. I'm sure Mickaela can do the same if given the chance. With the mentality like her father, that is exactly what is needed in the UNC right now... clear house.

She has an outside chance. I can see her charisma turning the corridor yellow in the next 5 years of growley messes up. But right now she is carrying her father's sins. Or so ppl believe

[sMASH]

The ting about rowley and middlemen is, he did take down manning. And I think he is well aware of his environment and would not be too complacent. I think jokers who think they could upstage rowley are the ones watch out.


Which is better having one bad egg or two bad eggs?
Probably the dissolution of the orange tribe will force the tribespeople to actually consider a suitable candidate.

THe redtribe is in a kinda transformative mode and has a second lease at life. So they are able to retain a tribe vote while modernising.



#ihatevotingforpartywheniwanttovoteforarepresentative

[rfari]

Yellow tribe right now still worship kamala. I tell dem that she has to go but what the hell I know

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Slowly but surely safe seats are turning into marginals. Rowley also say he not turning he back on none of he injun candidates who lost their seats neither. He say them old PNM days of putting injun to fight seat in UNC area then turning your back on them is over. He started this when he made Avinash Singh a PNM senator. As a matter of fact Rowley boasted that Avinash Singh is one of the best politicians in his cabinet.

This move that Rowley did has made it increasingly more difficult for UNC to pull votes in marginals. Could also be why PNM won St Joseph aswell, everyone expected Vasant to win that seat. This is why I say ZR, for the time being we have to give the good doctor the benefit of the doubt. If not its pretty obvious by now we will be rotating PNM and UNC every 5 years, and I think Rowley knows this.

[The_Honourable]

Mods ban meh nah

[desifemlove]

Is this verified?

if true, where's the 'more popular vote' argument going?

[desifemlove]

^^so why even bother...

We really only have 2 choices in this country, PNM or UNC.

But hey atleast its still a choice, at most we can keep rotating every 5 years till we finally get someone who will do as rfari said, do the right thing simply because its the right thing.

Kamla and the cabal will be gone in 5 years, thats half a decade. If Rowley do the same sheit he go be gone I am sure and so the cycle will keep going, its better than outright giving up. Its clear by now that trinis are not tolerating this die hard party voting sheit anymore. The electorate will keep rotating the UNC and PNM till someone does the right thing but here is hoping to Rowley doing the right thing.

true.....democracy doh wuk... that said, UNC has nobody else to blame for their defeat. police cover ups, record levels of perception of corruption.....only thing that surprised me was St. Joseph staying PNM, even Moruga, but we'll see how well PM Dr. K does.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

From what I heard, PNM has 0.4% more votes than UNC, is this true? it has long been said that PNM only wins because of how the seats are structured, but the UNC gets more votes which automatically means the majority of the electorate agrees with the UNC.

If the PNM really has 0.4% more votes as I understand then this would boost the morale of Dr Rowley.
There was a talk that if elections were based on total number of votes rather than seats then the PNM would never win an election. So I really interested to know if PNM really got majority of total votes, that would be really interesting.

[desifemlove]

Problem is that UNC can't attract candidates and members with intellectual capacity to carry the party forward.

And they have no interest in partnering with 'PNM people' to innovate and bring fresh ideas to the table.

The UNC is more arrogant than the PNM is what the problem is. They felt because they won 2/3 majority in 2010 that they were too high up and they were untouchable but enough chop with that axe even the largest tree can fall.

PNM was lucky because manning screwed up and Dr Rowley fought a very hard fight he had to deal with misinformation and propaganda that made him out to look like the bad guy, it was not easy having that clip played day and night with Manning calling him a raging bull. But now the PNM is in a position 50 times stronger than they were in the past.

Dr Rowley made sure he picked his candidates well, young and hard working people, my good friend from Grande came by me Saturday and he told me the MP the PNM sent up for Grande was going to every house with book and pen, taking down notes on what the people needed while Sancho didn't even know where the beach was. Just imagine Kamla put back Ganga Singh this utter non performer, and people called the radio station, told her they will vote PNM in St Joseph they will vote PNM in Tunapuna unless she removes this non performer. But Kamla was riding a bit too high.

She must gracefully exit politics along with the entire Cabal and never return.

Dr. Roody..Nobody else to contend. I suspect the vultures circling/plotting right bout now....and with good reason, Kams can't come back.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Is this verified?

does not seem to be accurate.

you can also check it against UWI's map here http://arcg.is/1O6AgLZ

[Monk BANzai]

I feel tapatalk/tuner trolling..

[snight01]

......

[desifemlove]

Duane, guardian figures is more accurate..http://www.elections.tt/ if true, not sure if UNC really did get most votes...

[janfar]

Lol...people losing sleep yes.

[desifemlove]

doh eat for a day? wow.lol..

[Habit7]

The problem with the UNC's campaign is that it targeted an anti-Rowley sentiment thus galvanising its base. But PNM's campaign was all embracing.

So while UNC won their safe seats with huge margins (thus the popular vote) they lost the swing voters and undecideds.

Tomorrow I will deal with the pollsters ....

Is it clear that all the pollsters were wrong? I even saw NACTA's Vishnu Bisram live on CNC3 wining like a pickaxe say PP going to win 21-22 only for him to disappear from the screen but still declare PNM will win.

HHB was the closest http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... voured-win but Nigel Henry get knocked down a few notches in terms of respect in my view.

For those of you who trusted in the polls but didn't have your ear to the ground...

GML pollster vindicated for calling PNM win

Yvonne Baboolal
Published: Wednesday, September 9, 2015

H.H.B. & Associates managing director Louis Bertrand said yesterday he felt vindicated after the poll commissioned by Guardian Media Limited (GML) which he conducted was the only one which correctly called Monday’s general election result, 23-18 in favour of the People’s National Movement.

He said he came under a fair amount of pressure after the poll was published in the T&T Guardian and aired on CNC3 but was glad his work had stood the test.

“In true Trini fashion, some people said I was PNM. I am not PNM. I am not a member of the PNM,” Bertrand said.

His three polls for the T&T Guardian showed Prime Minister-elect Dr Keith Rowley’s favourability ratings steadily increasing in the build up to the September 7 polls.

His last poll on the weekend centered on five marginals — Toco/Sangre Grande, St Joseph, Tunapuna, San Fernando West and Lopinot/Bon Air West — and showed constituents favouring the PNM.

But he said no one believed its validity until the findings proved true when the PNM captured all the seats he called.

The PNM also took Moruga/Tableland from the UNC, which Bertrand did not call. However, Bertrand said he did not poll Moruga/Tableland because of funding constraints. His last poll predicted a 22/19 win for the PNM, without Moruga/Tableland.

Bertrand said polls commissioned by political scientist Dr Hamid Ghany and Dr Vishnu Bisram of NACTA got it wrong when they predicted the PP would win the election.

Solution by Simulation’s Nigel Henry, meanwhile, predicted 18/18, saying five of the seats were too close to call. Bertrand dismissed that, however, saying if a poll cannot predict marginal seats it is not a poll. He said it did not make sense to predict which safe seats a party would win.

As to how he managed to get it right, he said: “It really has to do with doing proper random sampling and having a very good set of interviewers. I have very good interviewers.”

Bertrand said during the campaign a newspaper article tried to make it look as though his company was old and outdated but noted he had been doing polls for a long time and calling them right.

“People would not know this because I have been doing them for political parties and they don’t usually publish their polls,” he said, adding his company has been around a long time and he has been actively polling since the 1970s.

Asked what factors may have contributed to the PP’s loss, Bertrand said the party “made some clear mistakes” in its election campaign. One of them was a massive overkill in its advertising campaign.

“If you keep repeating an ad endlessly it will eventually irritate you, no matter how good it is,” he added.

Another mistake was exclusive focus on former prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar at the expense of her other candidates.

The PP’s No Rowley campaign did not work either, he said. Bertrand’s poll found only ten per cent of the people interviewed were affected by it.

However, there was an element of the election results political analysts should find fascinating, he said. While his polls measured 20 per cent going back to the PNM, the results showed something more was at play.

“One surprise may be that there were undecided voters in the marginals who were former UNC/PP supporters who shifted to the PNM,” he said.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-09- ... ng-pnm-win

Pollsters’ methods obsolete
Published on Sep 8, 2015, 7:23 pm AST


As the election results have shown, the pollsters got it all wrong. They could put any spin on it, but the fact is that their polling methods were shown to be unscientific and obsolete.
Ironically, seats deemed by the pollsters to be too close to call were, in fact, won by large majorities, making complete nonsense of the pollsters’ predictions.
I do hope that on the next occasion, these pollsters would take their work more seriously so that we can have a proper discussion of their poll results.

Colm Imbert
via e-mail

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/20150908 ... s-obsolete

[sMASH]

Oh crap, we're gonna have to deal with colvert invert and Martin Joseph all over again.
Please rowley, associate them with manning and let them stay by the wayside.

[Sanctifier]

The only person who can run and control the UNC at this point is more than likely Mickaela Panday.

I believe she will nominate herself in the UNC internal elections whenever it is called. Just like what Rowley did since 2010, rebuilding and restoring the PNM, Mickaela can do the same with the UNC from now till 2020.

Unfortunately, due to her piss-poor performance as an administrator over the last 5 years, Kamla has screwed the chances of ANY female (of any party) from becoming PM of T&T for decades.

She has proven that while women are great managers as a general rule, some are just a complete waste of time. In this case, "Lack of performance does beat ol' talk."