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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Habit7 » January 30th, 2015, 12:01 pm

rfari wrote:Uml, wha u think bout Gary Griffith bai? Talk bout oh he issa witness. Wha do he bai?

What is disgusting is the other Cabinet members was asking him to withdraw his commitment to be a witness too.

The exact thing Anand and PP band claiming they didnt do to West.

Thank God for once Griffith is a "lone soldier"

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rfari » January 30th, 2015, 12:02 pm

Huh. Gary Griffith issa nastiness. He always doing he own thing and cannot be trusted! Is he even a member of the UNC?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Hyperion » January 30th, 2015, 12:43 pm

Its disturbing to see the lengths people go to to distort the facts in order to vindicate their political biases. This may be surprising to learn, but there are actually people in Trinidad and Tobago who are neither UNC nor PNM. All these people want is for the government of the day to be transparent in their dealings and actions, especially since the PP tooted their own horn on the election platforms in 2010, about a new style of government and leadership.

Why is it that every time someone adopts a position that does not align with that of the PP, they are immediately and automatically branded as PNM? That button is stuck on replay, it deliberately distracts from the issues at hand.

The unfortunate attempts at character assassination on David West do not take away from the fact that serious allegations have been made, and appear to have been lent credence by Gary Griffith's position.

The AG's response that this is political is obviously intended to foment unrest among the diehards, he should have said nothing. The ball is now in the PM's court, the general public is concerned with the bacchanal and scandalous nature of the claims, but the implications of an AG under police investigation are more reaching than providing material for next year's calypso season; this will resonate nationally and internationally for years to come.

I fully expect to expect the sycophants to throw all kinds of old occurrences into the fray to somehow justify their position, but if for once they could look at the situation impartially they would see why he has no choice but to resign. This is an opportunity for the PM to throw off the mantle of banana republic and act on principles of transparency in the interest of the greater good.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Epicurus » January 30th, 2015, 1:44 pm

^^ Agreed.... these politicians really need to cut their sycophants some slack tho, making their job harder and harder

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby UML » January 30th, 2015, 1:51 pm

slippy1 wrote:Give an ass enough rope and he will hang him self...Ramloagan yuh DEAD!!! HAHAHA



wah bout help ah PNMite out and dey go kick yuh in d ass...just like Laventille did to Panday?



rfari I eh know nah

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby UML » January 30th, 2015, 1:56 pm

Hyperion wrote:Its disturbing to see the lengths people go to to distort the facts in order to vindicate their political biases. This may be surprising to learn, but there are actually people in Trinidad and Tobago who are neither UNC nor PNM. All these people want is for the government of the day to be transparent in their dealings and actions, especially since the PP tooted their own horn on the election platforms in 2010, about a new style of government and leadership.

Why is it that every time someone adopts a position that does not align with that of the PP, they are immediately and automatically branded as PNM? That button is stuck on replay, it deliberately distracts from the issues at hand.

The unfortunate attempts at character assassination on David West do not take away from the fact that serious allegations have been made, and appear to have been lent credence by Gary Griffith's position.

The AG's response that this is political is obviously intended to foment unrest among the diehards, he should have said nothing. The ball is now in the PM's court, the general public is concerned with the bacchanal and scandalous nature of the claims, but the implications of an AG under police investigation are more reaching than providing material for next year's calypso season; this will resonate nationally and internationally for years to come.

I fully expect to expect the sycophants to throw all kinds of old occurrences into the fray to somehow justify their position, but if for once they could look at the situation impartially they would see why he has no choice but to resign. This is an opportunity for the PM to throw off the mantle of banana republic and act on principles of transparency in the interest of the greater good.



As I said before....former AG John Jeremie and Magistrate Sherman Mc Nicolls land deal scandal didnt get this attention and was swept under the carpet and nothing done if i remember correctly....do nothing is PNM style!


if he resigns West has to resign!


again I ask and no one can answer....was Mr West misleading the President PM Rowley and the country by being supported BY ROWLEY as Chairman yet being a witness for Rowley or was Rowley part of this plan as well as he was for Emailgate?
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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Country_Bookie » January 30th, 2015, 2:26 pm

After all the media hype, I don't expect anything to come out of this. Unless West made a tape of his convo with the AG, it will boil down to the word of one crook word against another.
West has a history of receiving lucrative appointments under PNM administrations and has issued some critical statements against the PP govt that any 2 bit lawyer will use to brand his testimony as politically motivated.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Habit7 » January 30th, 2015, 2:33 pm

UML wrote:As I said before....former AG John Jeremie and Magistrate Sherman Mc Nicolls land deal scandal didnt get this attention and was swept under the carpet and nothing done if i remember correctly....do nothing is PNM style!
It was thoroughly investigated by the judiciary and found to be unsubstantial. http://legacy.guardian.co.tt/archives/2 ... news4.html

UML wrote:again I ask and no one can answer

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UML wrote:David West hold on to that information like Rowley and Emailgate!!!!
He didn't hold on the info, MoNS knew, and is eager to testify. These allegations have come to light only a month after his witness statement was filed and proving he didn't accept the bribe.

Did Rowley select Mr West knowing that he was a witness on Rowley's behalf when selecting him for the post of PCA Chariman? Rowley and Ramlogan knew thus by extension the PM knew. In the words of the AG "I am not going to do your legal homework for you."

Did Mr West mislead the President, the PM and Opposition leader knowing that he was a witness on Rowley's behalf when he was selected for the post of PCA Chariman? Being a witness in civil trial between citizen Dr. Keith Rowley and citizen Anand Ramlogan does (edit: not) conflict with chairing the PCA. All he has to do is represent the truth when called on him by the court. Being a witness is not holding political office.

Mr West held high office under the PNM!!!!

Director, Designate of the Financial Intelligence Unit
Ministry of Finance
March 2010 – September 2010 (7 months)Trinidad and Tobago

Ministry of the Attorney GeneralHead, Central Authority Unit
Ministry of the Attorney General
September 1999 – July 2008 (8 years 11 months)

Sept 1999 - Dec 2001 and May 2010 - Present the UNC was in power. So Mr. West held high office under the UNC first if my maths are right?


No wonder he intentional avoids media interviews, he fraid to answer DIRECT questions from the media!!! According to his statement yesterday he stayed silent as the AG said he was staying silent. When the AG talked, Mr West had a radio interview on 26th of Jan. Has the AG allow himself to be interviewed or is he still hiding in Cabildo House?


he should step down because he cannot be in that neutral, independent position and politicking and criticizing the government with his political biases!!! The last PCA head critiqued the govt too and she was a former UNC MP for Point a Pierre. Mr West still maintains his independence.
It is sad to see the character assassination the UNC supporters are engaging in to discredit Mr. West. The PP and Ramlogan hired West and never voiced any concern until now. Let Ramlogan be vindicated on his own merit, not on whether West or Griffith is PNM.
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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rfari » January 30th, 2015, 2:36 pm

I tryna build a time line.
-westgate
-defamation case re:extradition
-emailgate
-section 34
-SOE
-ish&Steve extradition
-piarco fraud case
-piarco coe
-Vargas drug lords

No?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby UML » January 30th, 2015, 2:40 pm

first of all i not sure u even know what u type there...maybe u need to read over what u wrote.



West was accepted AFTER he was a witness for rowley. Rowley must have known as the PNM claim the AG must have know about the witness statements. So Rowley can be seen as bribing West by giving him the nod for the post because he is a witness for Rowley

or vice versa

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Habit7 » January 30th, 2015, 3:05 pm

A working draft of West's witness statement existed since June 2014. Ramlogan and his lawyers would have known about this during the extensions given by the High Court and at the Court of Appeal in June and July, 2014 respectively. http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Wor ... 61151.html

Therefore, Rowley, Ramlogan and Kamla all would have known that West was a witness, esp. in his capacity of head of the Central Authority in charge of extraditions, in the AG suit against Rowley for matter pertaining to Ish and Steve. Kamla still nominated him in October, in consultation with Rowley, the president is just a rubber stamp.

Rowley can't "give him the nod." The PM acts in consultation with him. The only bribery accusation is against Ramlogan not Rowley, with Griffith promising to tell all. Stop muddling the obvious.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby UML » January 30th, 2015, 3:10 pm

But it is a conflict of interest, because the man (Rowley) who agreeing to have him chosen is also depending on him for a witness statement? Rowley could have opposed, more so if he wasnt a PNMite.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Hyperion » January 30th, 2015, 3:17 pm

The PCA head is appointed by the President based on the advice of the Prime Minister and the Leader of the Opposition. So what you are saying is that the Prime Minister and her team did not do their homework on West's background?

OR - the AG deliberately put West's name forward to the PM to head the PCA, as he always had the intention of approaching West to have him withdraw his witness statements??!!!!!

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » January 30th, 2015, 3:28 pm

Sorry I don't consider the Express and or Fox News to be real news. And like the Express I also don't read the bomb, blast, sunshine, and rest of nonsense satire.

Please post a real news source like the Newsday or something.

In any event my blood never take ramlogan anyways. He always struck me as those brahims who would never do anything for anybody in society except himself. I know quite a number of people like him in this country. He strikes me as those upper caste people who don't support lower caste I also think he is a failure of an AG aswell. He look like a man who there to just help himself alone.

In other words he is no different from all the PNM AGs thus far.

I done with voting until people serious about electing a party like the UKIP in this country.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Habit7 » January 30th, 2015, 3:29 pm

UML wrote:But it is a conflict of interest, because the man (Rowley) who agreeing to have him chosen is also depending on him for a witness statement? Rowley could have opposed, more so if he wasnt a PNMite.

Calling someone as a witness doesn't necessarily mean that they are taking a side. They are recounting what happened. This recount can work for or against the defendant Rowley.

Kamla and Rowley formerly appointed Jillian Lucky for PCA head. A known former UNC MP.

Stop trying to discredit West. Kamla and Ramlogan approved of him. Study why Griffith supports him and Cabinet wants to shut him up.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby EFFECTIC DESIGNS » January 30th, 2015, 3:47 pm

Habit7

I am curious to know why do you vote for PNM?
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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

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Is it by chance you joined tuner on April 1st?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby De Dragon » January 31st, 2015, 4:37 pm

Habit7 wrote:
UML wrote:But it is a conflict of interest, because the man (Rowley) who agreeing to have him chosen is also depending on him for a witness statement? Rowley could have opposed, more so if he wasnt a PNMite.

Calling someone as a witness doesn't necessarily mean that they are taking a side. They are recounting what happened. This recount can work for or against the defendant Rowley.

Kamla and Rowley formerly appointed Jillian Lucky for PCA head. A known former UNC MP.

Stop trying to discredit West. Kamla and Ramlogan approved of him. Study why Griffith supports him and Cabinet wants to shut him up.

Griffith knows that people already know the extent of his involvement, thus it is better to come clean and thus be the "innocent" one rather than be caught out in an obvious lie.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby pugboy » January 31st, 2015, 5:44 pm

you guys giving west a bad rap just so ?
the man was a lawyer working the the dept handling extraditions and such
just like any lawyer working in dpp office
that has nothing to do with "lucrative positions"

the mere fact that he was in charge of handling ish/steve doesn't make him a pnm or against unc

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby De Dragon » January 31st, 2015, 5:59 pm

pugboy wrote:you guys giving west a bad rap just so ?
the man was a lawyer working the the dept handling extraditions and such
just like any lawyer working in dpp office
that has nothing to do with "lucrative positions"

the mere fact that he was in charge of handling ish/steve doesn't make him a pnm or against unc

I guess the inquiry will see who is culpable. What I would like to see revealed is West's stance on that PCA position, meaning if he knew it was tainted, why accept it anyway? Could he not have informed the President of his concerns at that time?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Habit7 » January 31st, 2015, 6:11 pm

De Dragon wrote:
pugboy wrote:you guys giving west a bad rap just so ?
the man was a lawyer working the the dept handling extraditions and such
just like any lawyer working in dpp office
that has nothing to do with "lucrative positions"

the mere fact that he was in charge of handling ish/steve doesn't make him a pnm or against unc

I guess the inquiry will see who is culpable. What I would like to see revealed is West's stance on that PCA position, meaning if he knew it was tainted, why accept it anyway? Could he not have informed the President of his concerns at that time?
The PCA position wasn't "tainted." The AG doesn't officially has power to appoint PCA head. The President already gave him the green light and the AG's appeal was just an attempt to offer something he didn't have.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby pugboy » January 31st, 2015, 6:40 pm

the only axe west may have to grind is the fact that when pp came into power the extradition case was twisted to suit certain parties

eg the directive that the extradition be done on a US public holiday
when it was ready to go days before, lol

who would not be pissed after several years of chasing this case down

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby shogun » January 31st, 2015, 7:46 pm

Hyperion wrote:Why is it that every time someone adopts a position that does not align with that of the PP, they are immediately and automatically branded as PNM? That button is stuck on replay, it deliberately distracts from the issues at hand.


Mission accomplished basically then?

I'm sure Bernard Campbell taught the PP well.

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby rspann » January 31st, 2015, 8:51 pm

Somebody correct the name of the thread please!

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby Habit7 » January 31st, 2015, 9:18 pm

Why?

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

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Re: AG’s alleged witness tampering

Postby slippy1 » February 1st, 2015, 2:38 am

Whether West is a PNM, UNC, TOP, COP or whatever, the AG is a crook and I for one would be glad to see his ass get lock-up

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