Caribbean Airlines in Near-Miss at JFK

[Single_Eight]

Pilot error is the number one cause of accidents, not a political party. You don't have to bring politics in everything ZR.

So where did all the skilled BWIA pilots go to when PNM got rid of BWIA.

some took the package and call it a day while some when to fly dubai n emirates. couple ole skool still in there which are very good but politics keeping them down.

[mragoobir]

Lol!!! all yuh men don't take no hostages

[whyteliver]

Pilot error is the number one cause of accidents, not a political party. You don't have to bring politics in everything ZR.

absolutely impossible....

[ismithx]

so many armchair pilots here yes

why not wait for the investigation before pointing fingers?

either way somebody screwed up, relevant parties need to take a lesson here, lives could have been lost

[Chemical]

Isn't typical Trini attitude "bonks meh nah".

So whats new ???

[brams112]

so many armchair pilots here yes

why not wait for the investigation before pointing fingers?

either way somebody screwed up, relevant parties need to take a lesson here, lives could have been lost

Plenty Google and news site pilots also,I am wondering how much of them ever see the runway signals light up so the pilot knows he is good to land or keep circling.

[desifemlove]

Ent JFK air traffic control supposed to manage this, and report on goings on in their vicinity? what about the other airliner? didn't they have radar too?

Buddy, sit out this one.

Eh? Lolol... all planex have radar....so we cyah who right or wrong...if anything even at dis stsgethe jfk control is part to blame if in dey airspace....

This is a nonstory....well relevant to blaming kamla which is ops rationale here.....

[brams112]

Ent JFK air traffic control supposed to manage this, and report on goings on in their vicinity? what about the other airliner? didn't they have radar too?

Buddy, sit out this one.

Eh? Lolol... all planex have radar....so we cyah who right or wrong...if anything even at dis stsgethe jfk control is part to blame if in dey airspace....

This is a nonstory....well relevant to blaming kamla which is ops rationale here.....

Ent somebody say hush your mouth,they were on the Tarmac not air space.

[desifemlove]

Awaits obeah PNM believing tuners to say it's PP fault.

Dude.....unc been in for five years....enugh time to hire "competent" pilots....

Why this a political tjng anyhow?

[pugboy]

amateur investigations of recording show that another flight virgin "redwood 56" had landed just before and was given clearance and told to use the supposed wrong frequency
it is quite possible that the cal 526 pilots may have misheard the 56 instructions as theirs since they did exactly what the virgin was told to do including switching to that frequency

[Chemical]

Trust me it's the end of those two pilots career flying to North America and with CAL.

[Knight Rider]

Yup only when the investigation is completed will we know what happened for sure.

Pilots should always confirm with tower, never assume. Its why you are supposed to read back your instructions.

Aircraft do not have ground radar, the tower should.

Was it that the pilots stopped the plane, or was it that they took the abort instruction from the tower?

ALJ probably has the old pilots flying his private jet.

Jet blue made sure to take front, even though no conclusive report has been made the US citizens surely don't appreciate CAL much right now.

[EFFECTIC DESIGNS]

Trust me it's the end of those two pilots career flying to North America and with CAL.

No

In Trini, people get hired because of friend and family. Its not just a PNM thing, while PNM might have introduced nepotism and financed and promoted it. Its just as shockingly strong under UNC, steps have not been taken to prevent or change this.

Not from what I have seen anyways.

[Chimera]

boy a time i was flying a cal plane and the same thing happen to me

give them boys a chance na

[desifemlove]

Ent JFK air traffic control supposed to manage this, and report on goings on in their vicinity? what about the other airliner? didn't they have radar too?

Buddy, sit out this one.

Eh? Lolol... all planex have radar....so we cyah who right or wrong...if anything even at dis stsgethe jfk control is part to blame if in dey airspace....

This is a nonstory....well relevant to blaming kamla which is ops rationale here.....

Ent somebody say hush your mouth,they were on the Tarmac not air space.

I dont take "orders" from online strangers...lolol.

[Chemical]

CAL will have to pay:
-Fines for being on wrong frequency
-Fines to JetBlue having caused delays to the flight as the passengers had to be t'fed to another aircraft due to protocol checks on the brakes.
-Fines for deploying another aircraft.
-Fines for taxing on the runway
- Fines to JFK Int airport deploying emergency personnel.

And who knows what else. Those CAL Pilots are FINISHED !

[SR]

And in circulation again are calls for americans to boycott call because it flys from the island of "guyana" which has terrorists....

[Chemical]

And in circulation again are calls for americans to boycott call because it flys from the island of "guyana" which has terrorists....

More like Scunts !

[Knight Rider]

CAL will have to pay:
-Fines for being on wrong frequency
-Fines to JetBlue having caused delays to the flight as the passengers had to be t'fed to another aircraft due to protocol checks on the brakes.
-Fines for deploying another aircraft.
-Fines for taxing on the runway
- Fines to JFK Int airport deploying emergency personnel.

And who knows what else. Those CAL Pilots are FINISHED !

I'm sure several passengers will sue for whiplash

[Daran]

It's as simple as who's fault is it that CAL's pilots ended up on the wrong frequency, but logic follows that Air Traffic control as the one in charge is ultimately responsible. Just my opinion based on how military operations are done.

If instructions were given to hold short and no acknowledge received, then air traffic has to assume that it was not received.

Allyuh rel stand up for the pilot here. Regardless if it's PP friends who get hired piloting is strictly regulated with lots of on going training. I can assure you they're qualified to fly in big airports lol

[buckredan]

aint cal bankrupt lookin to see if they could collect money by suing jet blue daaa

[Knight Rider]

It's as simple as who's fault is it that CAL's pilots ended up on the wrong frequency, but logic follows that Air Traffic control as the one in charge is ultimately responsible. Just my opinion based on how military operations are done.

If instructions were given to hold short and no acknowledge received, then air traffic has to assume that it was not received.

Allyuh rel stand up for the pilot here. Regardless if it's PP friends who get hired piloting is strictly regulated with lots of on going training. I can assure you they're qualified to fly in big airports lol

Well as reported, locally and via a few international versions also, They did not acknowledge just as they were rolling across the runway and hence the tower assumed it was not received and told the Jetblue to abort. They were however given instructions before this:

Tower: “Caribbean 526 right (via) Juliett, hold short (runway) 22R. Remain this frequency.”
and they did respond at that point.

So far as per the transcripts, the towers a$$ is covered. Final report will say exactly where the fault happened. And the military is a very different scene from civilian aviation so no comparison there.

[neoise]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2015-01- ... 80%94ttcaa


Speculation could prejudice probe into CAL near-miss on JFK runway—TTCAA

Radica Sookraj
Published:
Wednesday, January 21, 2015

This map of New York’s JFK International Airport show the paths of Caribbean Airlines’ flight BW526 in green and Jet Blue’s flight B61295 in blue. The area where the CAL plane crosses the runway is in the red box. Source: Aviation Herald
As an international probe begins into the runway incursion at the JFK airport in New York, director general of T&T’s Civil Aviation Authority, Ramesh Lutchmedial is fearful that the investigation could be prejudiced. In an interview, Lutchmedial said too many people were speculating about the incursion involving Caribbean Airlines 526 which nearly crashed into Jetblue 1295, headed for Austin, Texas, around 10:30 pm on Saturday.

“I want people to stop speculating about the incursion and allow the investigation to take its course. I never knew that we suddenly have so many aviation experts in Trinidad,” Lutchmedial lamented. He added, “In these matters we must wait for the facts and refrain from speculating because it tends to prejudice the investigations.” Lutchmedial said the audio of the JFK Tower Frequency Recording has been obtained and the investigation may take about three weeks to be completed.

“It will be transcribed and analysed to determine exactly what has taken place,” he added. Asked whether CAL could face penalties if it was found that an infraction has been committed, Lutchmedial said it will be unprofessional for him to comment on this while the investigation is ongoing. He also denied that the pilots were suspended, saying, “they have both been taken off active flying duties until the investigation is complete.”

Lutchmedial also said that runway incursions were not uncommon. Yesterday, a team from the TTCAA led by Inspector Capt George Cants Roach, who has 40 years experience as a commercial pilot and is a veteran accident investigator, went to the JFK airport to investigate the incursion.

Lutchmedial said representatives of Caribbean Airlines, as well as flight operations specialists, trained in aircraft accident investigations, were present at the meeting in New York. This is the first time that Caribbean Airlines has been involved in a runway incursion. He also said the pilots will not be giving any interviews with the media while the investigations are continuing.

Meanwhile, an official of the International Air Transport Association confirmed that IATA was not part of the investigating team. Assistant Manager of Corporate Communications Kalliopi Lazari said “IATA is the trade association for the world’s airlines and supports many areas of aviation activity and helps formulate industry policy on critical aviation issues.”

However she could not answer any questions on the ongoing investigation saying they were “outside the scope of IATA’s activities as IATA is neither an investigatory body nor a safety regulator.”

The US Federal Aviation Administration is also involved in the investigation.