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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Dizzy28 » March 11th, 2014, 10:42 am

MG Man wrote:were they sober at the time?


The pilots or DFC's other dimension friends?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby MG Man » March 11th, 2014, 11:02 am

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Postby bluefete » March 11th, 2014, 11:23 am

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"He's the best bomoh in Asean. He won several awards for his outstanding achievement. His bamboo sticks are equipped with the latest state of the art thermal imaging sensor. China uses 10 satellites but he just uses 2. His bamboo sensor is able to detect anything as far 1,000000km in Radii."

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Postby Trini Hookah » March 11th, 2014, 11:34 am

bluefete wrote:Image

"He's the best bomoh in Asean. He won several awards for his outstanding achievement. His bamboo sticks are equipped with the latest state of the art thermal imaging sensor. China uses 10 satellites but he just uses 2. His bamboo sensor is able to detect anything as far 1,000000km in Radii."

Do you post like this?

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bluefete wrote:Image

"He's the best bomoh in Asean. He won several awards for his outstanding achievement. His bamboo sticks are equipped with the latest state of the art thermal imaging sensor. China uses 10 satellites but he just uses 2. His bamboo sensor is able to detect anything as far 1,000000km in Radii."

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Postby bluefete » March 11th, 2014, 11:48 am

Trini Hookah wrote:
bluefete wrote:Image

"He's the best bomoh in Asean. He won several awards for his outstanding achievement. His bamboo sticks are equipped with the latest state of the art thermal imaging sensor. China uses 10 satellites but he just uses 2. His bamboo sensor is able to detect anything as far 1,000000km in Radii."

Do you post like this?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby bluefete » March 11th, 2014, 12:06 pm

http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/

A plausible explanation for why MH370 "disappeared" and why we still can't find it.
March 10, 2014
My recommendation to the NTSB

I sent this email to Peter Knudson at the NTSB, and he will consider if its worthy of forwarding onto investigators. I would like feedback on the plausibility.
At the end of this email, I’ve listed sensible and low-cost recommendations to best aid recovery efforts.

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Has anyone considered if the below FAA Airworthiness Directive could be a clue the MH370 investigation?
A November 2013 FAA Airworthiness Directive for the 777

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09 ... -23456.htm

SUMMARY: We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for
certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes.

This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the
satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter. This proposed AD
would require repetitive inspections of the visible fuselage skin and
doubler if installed, for cracking, corrosion, and any indication of
contact of a certain fastener to a bonding jumper, and repair if
necessary. We are proposing this AD to detect and correct cracking and
corrosion in the fuselage skin, which could lead to rapid decompression
and loss of structural integrity of the airplane.

Summary: It’s plausible that a fuselage section near the SATCOM antenna adapter failed, disabling satellite based - GPS, ACARS, and ADS-B/C - communications, and leading to a slow decompression that left all occupants unconscious. If such decompression left the aircraft intact, then the autopilot would have flown the planned route or otherwise maintained its heading/altitude until fuel exhaustion.

A slow decompression (e.g. from a golfball-sized hole) would have gradually impaired and confused the pilots before cabin altitude (pressure) warnings sounded.

Chain of events:

Likely fuselage failure near SATCOM antenna adapter, disabling some or all of GPS, ACARS, ADS-B, and ADS-C antennas and systems.
Thus, only primary radars would detect the plane. Primary radar range is usually less than 100nm, and is generally ineffective at high altitudes.

If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realize to put on oxygen masks until it was too late. (See Helios 522)

Also explains why another Pilot thirty minutes ahead heard “mumbling” from MH370 pilots.
(VHF comms would be unaffected by SATCOM equipment failure.)

With incapacitated pilots, the 777 would continue to fly on Autopilot - programmed to maintain cruise altitude and follow the programmed route.
Other thoughts:

The plane was equipped with cellular communication hardware, supplied by AeroMobile, to provide GSM services via satellite. However this is an aftermarket product; it’s not connected through SATCOM (as far as I know).

This explains why 19 families signed a statement alleging they were able to call the MH370 passengers and get their phones to ring, but with no response.

When Malaysian Airlines tried to call the phone numbers a day later, the phones did not ring. By this time, fuel would have been exhausted.

Note: 777 Passenger Oxygen masks do not deploy until cabin altitude reaches 13,500. Passengers were likely already unconscious by then, if it was a slow decompression. No confirmed debris has been found anywhere near the search area, consistent with the plane having flown for hours after it lost radar contact.

Conclusion:

This was likely not an “explosive decompression” or “inflight disintegration.” This was likely a slow decompression that gradually deprived all crew/passengers of oxygen, leaving the autopilot to continue along the route autonomously.

The aircraft may be at the floor of the East China Sea, Sea of Japan, or the Pacific Ocean thousands of miles northeast from the current search zone.

I’ve circled a probable search space in Red on this map; it that assumes that MH370’s autopilot continued along the programmed route.

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Recommendations:
• Investigators should obtain data logs from primary radars throughout mainland China that would have been along the planned route. They may be the best clue as to the trajectory of the aircraft.

• Investigators should obtain all passengers’ cell phone log and location data. The timing of the last successful cellular connection (ring/SMS/data-packet) can predict how long the plane was in the air. iPhone/iOS location (GPS) data may be available from Apple if subpoenaed. Android location data may be available from Google.

• Add a secondary search space to include a 300nm radius around Beijing, focusing on surrounding bodies of water. Using planned routing trajectory, known autopilot logics, fuel quantities, and weather patterns, it may be possible to define a smaller 50nm * 50nm search space. Consider running the above scenario in MH’s 777-200ER full flight simulator.

• Boeing should provide expertise about the SATCOM antenna schematics and autopilot/navigation logic, so as to help plot this second search space.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby brandonology1 » March 11th, 2014, 12:18 pm

Good info there... seems plausiable and could may well be the valid explanation

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby MISHI » March 11th, 2014, 12:55 pm

Good stuff, but my thought would be on AP, once the flight had sufficient fuel for a flight to bejing, it would have done the exact same situation as Helios: enter a holding pattern at it reached the airport aerospace until it ran out of fuel.

And there are just too many that may witness something like that so close to land.

One thing for sure is that I believe the world is looking in the wrong direction regarding this plane. One odd thing I think should be considered is to determine what a 777's shortest landing area is needed with a full tank and passengers, get a listing of all runways whether concrete or not that can accommodate an extreme stop of it, then search along those aspects...

Don't really want to speculate but it's to mind either that plane had a controlled landing into the water so clean that it sank as one full complete unit other then the engines separating... which would be odd cause the EPIRB would ping in that case

OR that aircraft was hijacked as an inside job (either by a pilot or people who knew how to access the cockpit and disable the crew quickly and flown on a completely different course.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Chemical » March 11th, 2014, 1:46 pm

The plane took off for a 6+ hour flight, with fuel to fly even longer in the event of delays. This would necessitate the aircraft to burn off or jettison fuel prior to landing if the aircraft remained above its maximum gross landing weight. Boeing autopilots don't permit their aircraft to effect a landing above this weight as it overstresses the airframe. The idea it turned and continued flying on a westerly course at a lower altitude and with its transponder off, without any transmissions, suggests the crew was coerced to proceed to another destination. Whoever was in charge of the aircraft at the time primary radar contact was lost knew how to evade and remain off atc scopes. Normally, (in Canada) our miltary radar starts tracking an unknown aircraft off its coast, they scramble to investigate. The idea this plane remained flying another 350 miles without the military getting involved immediately is not consistant with how military coastal airspace monitoring protocol works. This is getting to look like more and more a takeover of the plane and some complacent behavior by the civil and military agencies.....at 2:30 in the am. zzzzzzzzz.........try this stunt off of our east coast and you'd have maybe 15 minutes before a couple F15s were scrambling to pick up your signal in the air. .......9/11 took care of that. An initial report on day 2 referred to a pilot 30 minutes ahead of the flight who was asked by Vietnamese atc to try and establish comms with the flight after their attempts at initial contact went unanswered. He reported what sounded like alot of "mumbling" in his headset. This event will go down in Civil Aviation history as one of the most mysterious disappearances ever. Like to know just how many 777 qualified pilots were actually on the plane.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » March 11th, 2014, 2:49 pm

So if I agree with the conspiracy of a hijack I would be able to understand the 777 itself going missing and landing wherever the hijackers deemed.
But I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around 239 people on board complying once the aircraft is out of peril.

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Postby nemisis » March 11th, 2014, 2:55 pm

~*Pãñdorą*~ wrote:So if I agree with the conspiracy of a hijack I would be able to understand the 777 itself going missing and landing wherever the hijackers deemed.
But I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around 239 people on board complying once the aircraft is out of peril.
happened 9/11

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby ~*Pãñdorą*~ » March 11th, 2014, 3:00 pm

Well those folks didn't have time to react..
But if this plane was manoeuvred to land safely for whatever reasons.. Why would the passengers comply?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby pete » March 11th, 2014, 3:20 pm

As horrible as it sounds, if in control of the plane surely they could depressurise it, turn off the oxygen to the passengers and leave it off for a few minutes..

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby kurpal_v2 » March 11th, 2014, 3:29 pm

~*Pãñdorą*~ wrote:Well those folks didn't have time to react..
But if this plane was manoeuvred to land safely for whatever reasons.. Why would the passengers comply?



Simple, kill the ones who oppose and then kill the alpha males, keep pilot and beta phegz

You are left with 200 passengers which is more manageable for your army and also more cost effective on long term basis.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby javishm » March 11th, 2014, 4:59 pm

The Malaysian Air Force has traced the last known location of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 to a very small island in the Straits of Malacca, hundreds of miles from the original flight path, where it abruptly disappeared off the radar.

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Postby sliderz1 » March 11th, 2014, 5:21 pm

organs FS :shock:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Richard Marshall » March 11th, 2014, 7:18 pm

Hopefully they are all alive on the island. Hoping...

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby bluefete » March 11th, 2014, 8:08 pm

What is very clear now is that the Malaysian military knew that the plane was still flying for hundreds of miles AFTER its electronics were switched off / malfunctioned. They tracked it on military radar for a while.

This just gets curiouser and curiouser.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby shogun » March 11th, 2014, 8:46 pm

Missing Malaysia Jet Adds Fuel to 'Live Black Box' Debate

Days after the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 shortly after midnight on Saturday, investigators considering a range of possible causes - mechanical failure, pilot error and terrorism - have yet to turn up solid clues. They don't even know where the plane disappeared, which means that for grieving families this misfortune will remain a mystery until the recovery of the plane's "black box."

Black boxes, which in fact are usually painted bright orange, contain digital flight data and are indispensable in accident investigations. But it's worth asking why, in this era of instant wireless communication, investigators must hunt down a physical object that stays on board the plane? Why isn't black-box data transmitted in real time?

Such technology exists. According to The Wall Street Journal, a few hundred airplanes around the world have already been outfitted to stream live data via satellite, shortening the agonizing wait for answers in the event of disaster. These waits can be significant. When Air France Flight 447 crashed into the Atlantic in 2009, it took nearly two years for a search team to retrieve the aircraft's black box and piece together what happened.

Carriers haven't adopted streaming technology for two basic reasons: the rarity of in-flight disasters, as well as the expense associated with equipment upgrades and more satellite connections. Black boxes may be limited and antiquated, but they're capable of storing an enormous amount of data cheaply.

Yet even from a purely financial perspective - and setting aside the very reasonable public desire for clarity within a short time frame - improvements seem desirable. If it's too expensive to stream all black-box data continuously, then perhaps a well-chosen subset of data would do. Moreover, there is always a cost to doing nothing - like, for example, the cost of dispatching search teams to find a box in the middle of the ocean.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 832671.cms



Regardless of what caused a Malaysia Airlines jet to disappear from the sky over the weekend, air-safety experts predict it will reignite debate over new technology designed to provide immediate clues for investigators in the event of a crash.

Search teams on Monday began their third day looking for signs of the 12-year-old Boeing Co.777-200ER that disappeared just after midnight early Saturday local time while cruising at 35,000 feet en route to Beijing from Kuala Lumpur. Investigators say they are delving into a range of possible explanations, from mechanical failures to pilot error to terrorism.

But without the benefit of instant access to data coming off the jet during the final phase of flight, investigators must rely instead on finding and retroactively evaluating data that was recorded but stayed on board.

Discussed for many years but never implemented because of the costs, the concept of automatically transmitting data would involve using satellite links to send critical safety information from an airliner to the ground during extreme emergencies or just before a plane goes down.

The information might highlight, among other things, engine and system performance, flight commands by pilots and possible problems with cockpit automation

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 92014.html


About time. They've had the technology for years so why not?... the cost can't be much more than this search is costing.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby bluefete » March 11th, 2014, 11:08 pm

This was foretold (apparently)


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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Trini Hookah » March 11th, 2014, 11:34 pm

What's the qualifications to be a Prophet?

Y'all think the PP needs one?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby nervewrecker » March 11th, 2014, 11:41 pm

Trini Hookah wrote:What's the qualifications to be a Prophet?

Y'all think the PP needs one?


Benjimen is not a real one? *outs spliff*

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Cid » March 11th, 2014, 11:51 pm

What a horror story if true... Plane flying on auto, everyone onboard dead.... Its chilling to even picture a reenactment

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby skylinechild » March 12th, 2014, 12:08 am

Cid wrote:What a horror story if true... Plane flying on auto, everyone onboard dead.... Its chilling to even picture a reenactment


waits to see the movie they make out of this.. 8-)

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby javishm » March 12th, 2014, 12:29 am

So many possibilities of what went on here....what could be right?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby sonygoup » March 12th, 2014, 12:35 am

True but i liking Kidnapped plane and passenger along with Aliens :mrgreen:

Also how deep is the ocean there haven't heard anyone say that yet because it did crash it would be there tho...

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Postby secret_service » March 12th, 2014, 10:42 am

Crowdsourcing volunteers comb satellite photos for Malaysia Airlines jet

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Re: Malaysia Airlines loses plane carrying 239 people on boa

Postby Cid » March 12th, 2014, 11:25 am

parts of the plane should start washing up somewhere not so..

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