The GOOGLE | ANDROID Thread

[Trini Hookah]

Xperia rom laggy as hell now, and fraid to flash a hydracore rom as alot of people got bricks after doing so with this rom.

[slickrick777]

finally htc one users gets a software update from android 4.1.2 to android 4.3

HTC One owners are in for a treat today, as the device is receiving Android 4.3 directly from its shipping version of 4.1.2.

Rogers, Bell, TELUS, and Virgin Mobile users are getting notifications of the new software, jumping to build 3.22.631.1 with a 573.96MB file. On top of the low-level improvements that come with Android 4.3, including lockscreen widgets, quick settings in the notification bar, Bluetooth 4.0 LE support, OpenGL 3.0 ES support and more, HTC has endowed the One with significant camera improvements and the overall OS with a speed boost. There’s also new content for BlinkFeed and some improvements to the Sense 5 launcher.

We’ve been playing with Android 4.3 for a while on the HTC One and have found it significantly more stable and zippier through menus, apps and games. One significant addition, too, is the ability to map the home button long-press as a menu button, doing away with the reviled virtual menu button. Also included are new camera themes for those awesome 30-second clips. Expect improved battery life, too, with an auto-brightness algorithm that errs on the more conservative side.

If you haven’t received your update notification yet, head to Settings/About/Software Update and keep checking.
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While US HTC One users are still stuck on Android 4.1, the unlocked global model is now getting its update to the newest version of Android, 4.3 Jelly Bean. Weighing in at 564.04MB, it’s a large one and improves on a lot of things and adds a few small features. Here is the full changelog:

Android 4.3 update
Battery charging percentage indicator
Improved Gallery
Low-light performance noticeably improved
Added few more Video highlights options
Ability to add soundtracks to your Highlights
Overall System got stable and more
The low light performance of the Ultrapixel camera is improved, which is great to hear. The One already excels in low light, but improvement is always a fantastic thing. You can also modify the actions of the home button, if you like a different configuration for the more complex actions.

Of course, US users will have to continue waiting. Both the Developer Edition and the global model now have the newest version of Android, while we have to wait two versions behind. And those with a global model, the rollout is happening over 2-3 weeks so check manually for updates in Settings and don’t fret if you don’t get it immediately

[javishm]

will be downloading 4.3 very soon

[Mr.Bollywood]

Anyone has word on 4.3 for the samsung galaxy note 2???? They said it would be out in September but No one has gotten a stock 4.3 from Samsung. Samsung upsetting my soul!

[BrandoHD]

Anyone has word on 4.3 for the samsung galaxy note 2???? They said it would be out in September but No one has gotten a stock 4.3 from Samsung. Samsung upsetting my soul!

A leak was leaked today I think

[SmokeyGTi]

nexus 7...rocking android 4.3 long time...no main noticeable difference imo..

[Chimera]

digicel just call and say they awaiting a mainboard and will get it next week. for my s3.

[Ted_v2]

Need to pay for tapatalk4 now

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Why are some Android cellphone Manufacturers cheating in benchmarks?


http://www.anandtech.com/show/7384/stat ... benchmarks



" ... 1) On the Exynos 5410, Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and raising thermal limits (and thus max GPU frequency) in order to gain an edge on those benchmarks, and

2) On both Snapdragon 600 and Exynos 5410 SGS4 platforms, Samsung was detecting the presence of certain benchmarks and automatically driving CPU voltage/frequency to their highest state right away. Also on Snapdragon platforms, all cores are plugged in immediately upon benchmark detect...."

"...We started piecing this data together back in July, and even had conversations with both silicon vendors and OEMs about getting it to stop. With the exception of Apple and Motorola, literally every single OEM we’ve worked with ships (or has shipped) at least one device that runs this silly CPU optimization. It's possible that older Motorola devices might've done the same thing, but none of the newer devices we have on hand exhibited the behavior. It’s a systemic problem that seems to have surfaced over the last two years, and one that extends far beyond Samsung....
"

[Sky]

^^ This isn't a Samsung hating ched. Won't work here.

Anyway. Someone selling a Moto defy+ rooted and has jb on it. Anyone did this? I'm worried about the older phone running the newer OS and slowing.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

^^ This isn't a Samsung hating ched. Won't work here.

Anyway. Someone selling a Moto defy+ rooted and has jb on it. Anyone did this? I'm worried about the older phone running the newer OS and slowing.

Defensive much? If you had bothered to read the article you would see it's not Samsung alone hence why it is clearly labelled some Android manufacturers as it includes LG as well as HTC and others.

Motorola for instance has NOT been doing the same thing.

[Sky]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

[Trini Hookah]

^^ This isn't a Samsung hating ched. Won't work here.

Anyway. Someone selling a Moto defy+ rooted and has jb on it. Anyone did this? I'm worried about the older phone running the newer OS and slowing.

It should run 4.1.2 wit no worries, 4.3 might give some lag and bugs.

I was gonna get that same phone from a guy in the misc for my cuz, only reason I went for an atrix instead was the extra .3"

[Sky]

Is a beater I want. Not going offshore with my S3 anymore. That makes it perfect.

[Ted_v2]

how much did the atrix cost ya ?
almost 2 cups of water fell on my defy last night, works perfect today. Pretty robust phone but is LAGGY on the stock software. Its a pretty lame phone but durable

[Trini Hookah]

1200, atrix 2 actually. Nicely built phone i must say, but Motorola has little things that irk me, aside from memories of my Charm

[Strauss]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

You should read it though.

It means you are being lied to by the Android phone makers (except Motorola). Or you rather stay in ignorance about the very devices you love?

[Ted_v2]

That's actually a excellent price

[Sky]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

You should read it though.

It means you are being lied to by the Android phone makers (except Motorola). Or you rather stay in ignorance about the very devices you love?

I read it and it makes no difference.
This is assuming I care about clock speeds. And I really don't. The last time I did a bench mark, it was on an Athlon XP something.
And again, I really don't see the issue with an OS optimizing or pushing a cpu/gpu to it's limits for a benchmark. Because here's a little secret. Most people who benchmark, OC their hardware.
Showing them the max the hardware can do is ok. It's up to them to OC after.
Back to his original question. Why? Read above.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

I expected more intelligent debate actually. You're basically saying you don't mind being hoodwinked or mislead essentially as you believe it's just heresy and actually try to justify the actions. Who cares if you don't work for the companies? If that's your logic then why bother posting on anything then.

The other thread was really only a Samsung cuz it was a well respected site calling out the company as they found the benchmark issues as related to the Note 3.

Today this is another well respected website calling out essentially more than just Samsung.

Thankfully you don't speak for all 2nrs though.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

You should read it though.

It means you are being lied to by the Android phone makers (except Motorola). Or you rather stay in ignorance about the very devices you love?

I read it and it makes no difference.
This is assuming I care about clock speeds. And I really don't. The last time I did a bench mark, it was on an Athlon XP something.
And again, I really don't see the issue with an OS optimizing or pushing a cpu/gpu to it's limits for a benchmark. Because here's a little secret. Most people who benchmark, OC their hardware.
Showing them the max the hardware can do is ok. It's up to them to OC after.
Back to his original question. Why? Read above.

I would have agreed with you here if the owner of the phone could also do what Samsung was doing but they can't unlock the full potential of the phone like some of these companies are doing for benchmarks. If an end user tried to do the same the phone would still use thermal limits and not use all the cores at the same time thus they would not get the same performance portrayed in the benchmark.

It's bait and switch and that's what many people have a problem with.

[r3iXmann]

downloading 4.3 for htc one now

[Sky]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

I expected more intelligent debate actually. You're basically saying you don't mind being hoodwinked or mislead essentially as you believe it's just heresy and actually try to justify the actions. Who cares if you don't work for the companies? If that's your logic then why bother posting on anything then.

The other thread was really only a Samsung cuz it was a well respected site calling out the company as they found the benchmark issues as related to the Note 3.

Today this is another well respected website calling out essentially more than just Samsung.

Thankfully you don't speak for all 2nrs though.

Where did I call it heresay?
Talking about an intelligent debate but lying.
Notice no others taking you on. They know you're up to no good, and I will follow suit

[Trini Hookah]

A2BE what droid device do you use?

[DRam]

Just got an s3 mini on corporate plan from bmobile. 3g not showing on screen. Any suggestions?

[kurpal_v2]

Just got an s3 mini on corporate plan from bmobile. 3g not showing on screen. Any suggestions?

Take a sharpie and write 3G

[Trini Hookah]

Just got an s3 mini on corporate plan from bmobile. 3g not showing on screen. Any suggestions?

Take a sharpie and write 3G

[Captain Awesome]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

I expected more intelligent debate actually. You're basically saying you don't mind being hoodwinked or mislead essentially as you believe it's just heresy and actually try to justify the actions. Who cares if you don't work for the companies? If that's your logic then why bother posting on anything then.

The other thread was really only a Samsung cuz it was a well respected site calling out the company as they found the benchmark issues as related to the Note 3.

Today this is another well respected website calling out essentially more than just Samsung.

Thankfully you don't speak for all 2nrs though.

Where did I call it heresay?
Talking about an intelligent debate but lying.
Notice no others taking you on. They know you're up to no good, and I will follow suit

The question is why they are doing this...the gains from cheating are miniscule...and only has an effect on the benchmarks apps in question.

The only logical explanation is that Samsung is pushing their Exynos SoC against Qualcomm's and everyone involved (SoC makers as well as phone manufacturers) looking to get any extra edge to gain the population's mindshare and eventually more sales.

As I type this out and analyse it in my head, it actually makes sense. Competition is a hell of a motivating factor. Trouble is, now that the cat is out of the bag (again), benchies are going to be judged with an even bigger pinch of salt than usual. Also, it is going to be harder to effectively acertain which SoC is ACTUALLY faster and not artificially boosted to gain higher scores....sad.

Das why I always say, Nexus FTMFW yes. I wont be caught dead with a device not running plain stock android!

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I didn't bother to read, and in the other thread you said Samsung only.

What answer do you expect from 2nrs? Do we work at these companies?
I gave you an answer and you weren't having it. So I dunno what to tell you again if you dunno.

I expected more intelligent debate actually. You're basically saying you don't mind being hoodwinked or mislead essentially as you believe it's just heresy and actually try to justify the actions. Who cares if you don't work for the companies? If that's your logic then why bother posting on anything then.

The other thread was really only a Samsung cuz it was a well respected site calling out the company as they found the benchmark issues as related to the Note 3.

Today this is another well respected website calling out essentially more than just Samsung.

Thankfully you don't speak for all 2nrs though.

Where did I call it heresay?
Talking about an intelligent debate but lying.
Notice no others taking you on. They know you're up to no good, and I will follow suit

The question is why they are doing this...the gains from cheating are miniscule...and only has an effect on the benchmarks apps in question.

The only logical explanation is that Samsung is pushing their Exynos SoC against Qualcomm's and everyone involved (SoC makers as well as phone manufacturers) looking to get any extra edge to gain the population's mindshare and eventually more sales.

As I type this out and analyse it in my head, it actually makes sense. Competition is a hell of a motivating factor. Trouble is, now that the cat is out of the bag (again), benchies are going to be judged with an even bigger pinch of salt than usual. Also, it is going to be harder to effectively acertain which SoC is ACTUALLY faster and not artificially boosted to gain higher scores....sad.

Das why I always say, Nexus FTMFW yes. I wont be caught dead with a device not running plain stock android!

Let me just say I started this as a separate thread as this has less to do with Android the OSitself but mods put it here.

The performance increase also depends on what benchmark is used.

On Anandtech which calls out everyone who does it the performance increases were smaller like 5%.

On Ars Technica while reviewing the Note 3 it tested 20% higher than another android phone LG G2 with the exact same Snapdragon 800 hardware. 50% in another benchmark.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/ ... -up-to-20/

Imagine if they took those benchmark scores as the truth. Customers would have been tricked into thinking the wrong thing.

[Captain Awesome]

^^ exactly. That is the thing. Manipulating benchmarks like that is just wrong, plain and simple. It is supposed to be an accurate way of gauging performance between devices. Clearly this is no longer the case. Hopefully over time the public realizes this and stop basing purchase decisions on benchmarks... but manufacturers would just find another method to fool people. It's sad, really.