Govt scraps $billion Coast Guard vessel (OPV) deal

[dcom23]

so nobody read the express follow up article that point out that we essentially lost a billion on the related opv costs i.e. training andd the infrastructural work that was done? also that we might have been paying intrest on a loan taken to fund boats we didnt buy? can someone explain to me how this is a success?

there is a term for this, cant think of it right now, where govt continue to pump money into failed projects "to save face" and complete it because of the money already invested in it rather than stop and count their losses.

hence the reason we have so many brian lara stadiums, piarco airport, etc.....they already invested too much to stop....so they continue with the project and it becomes overpriced.....and we criticize for overspending!!

or we cut our losses and try to save a little than all that is lost....and we criticize losing money!!

damned if u do...damned if u dont!!


so would u prefer having $2,000,000,000 boats which cant shoot straight and have no evaluation reports of their performance??? cat in bag?

better buy a pirogue!

so you all for spending a billion for nothing? couldnt we have gone through the same arbitration process to have BAE fix the boating issues? in fact wasnt that the recommendation of both the locals in charge and the British ministry of defense? instead we have 0 boats, a billion in sunk infrastructural costs, 120 personnel expertly, extensively and expensively trained on equipment they never going to use oh and 2 million pound in legal costs...and tht makes sense how exactly?

[rfari]

Place get quiet bai.
Brb. Getting submarine license

[xtech]

These useless can't shoot straight can't shoot far can't defend itself faulty billion dollar boats park up somewhere collecting barnacles doing nothing right now?

All this was just for political points.... To make PNM look bad. To tell you the truth I much more rather the faulty boats been dry docked here for upgrades to be completed all fixed under this current government...I would much rather they continually remind us that Patrick buy it an left it for Kamla to fix.

At least they would have been out patrolling all now or used for regular government retreat/cruise

[eliteauto]

That's not true right? Ah mean.....right?

[UML]

so nobody read the express follow up article that point out that we essentially lost a billion on the related opv costs i.e. training andd the infrastructural work that was done? also that we might have been paying intrest on a loan taken to fund boats we didnt buy? can someone explain to me how this is a success?

there is a term for this, cant think of it right now, where govt continue to pump money into failed projects "to save face" and complete it because of the money already invested in it rather than stop and count their losses.

hence the reason we have so many brian lara stadiums, piarco airport, etc.....they already invested too much to stop....so they continue with the project and it becomes overpriced.....and we criticize for overspending!!

or we cut our losses and try to save a little than all that is lost....and we criticize losing money!!

damned if u do...damned if u dont!!


so would u prefer having $2,000,000,000 boats which cant shoot straight and have no evaluation reports of their performance??? cat in bag?

better buy a pirogue!

so you all for spending a billion for nothing? couldnt we have gone through the same arbitration process to have BAE fix the boating issues? in fact wasnt that the recommendation of both the locals in charge and the British ministry of defense? instead we have 0 boats, a billion in sunk infrastructural costs, 120 personnel expertly, extensively and expensively trained on equipment they never going to use oh and 2 million pound in legal costs...and tht makes sense how exactly?

OPV DEAL EXPOSED
How T&T brokered an agreement with BAE Systems• AG negotiated for $400 million more for a total of $1.382 billion• Coast Guard commander expressed his reservations since 2008
By Asha Javeed asha.javeed@trinidadexpress.com

Story Created: Nov 17, 2012 at 10:51 PM ECT

Story Updated: Nov 18, 2012 at 1:23 PM ECT

In a David-versus-Goliath-like battle, which was Trinidad and Tobago against the UK firm British Aerospace Engineering (BAE) Systems in legal arbitration, this country emerged compensated.

The legal "victory" means T&T could pay the balance of the $2 billion loan, which it had secured to embark on the project to purchase three offshore patrol vessels (OPVs), which spanned three years and concluded when the People's Partnership Government cancelled the order from the UK firm in September 2010.

There has been the argument that the settlement of $1.382b was simply a refund equivalent to the sum paid by the Brazilian Navy for the cancelled OPVs, which was £133 million ($1.3b).

But long before a settlement was agreed to with BAE, the country's governments—the former PNM (People's National Movement) administration, which placed the original order, and the present PP coalition—were having problems with the British defence company.

The UK's Ministry of Defence, which had provided technical assistance to the project, was also aware of BAE's failure to meet its contractual obligations.

Both BAE and the T&T Government agreed upon the resolution of the dispute to a non-disclosure clause for arbitration documents. BAE Systems was seeking to recover $611.032 million from the State as it had taken a 100 million pound sterling charge on its books and, in turn, T&T had issued a counter-claim of $1,654 million for the boats, which were valued at £155 million ($1.55b).

There was no arbitration judgment as both parties settled the matter shortly after the hearings concluded. What exists are witness statements and documents filed in support of each party's claim.

In copies of documents obtained by the Sunday Express, which formed part of the arbitration hearings between the parties in London from May 8-18, it outlines deadlines which BAE failed to meet with the OPVs, the lack of information and transparency provided to T&T as a customer, as well as ways in which BAE sought to compensate this country for their inability to keep to the terms of the contract signed in April 2007.

Details were contained in the witness statement of Commodore Garnet Best (Retired T&T Coast Guard), who was the director of Defence Transformation and Integration Secretariat (DEFTIS), which was a unit in the Ministry of National Security, and Captain Mark Williams, who managed the OPV project for T&T in the United Kingdom.

Best, who was instrumental in the conceptualisation of the OPV project, noted when RFPs (request for proposals) were first issued by the PNM government, it was very specific in what it wanted: "We wanted an armament capable of firing both 'aim to miss' and 'aim to hit' rounds, for which purpose accuracy was important."

Mere months after the execution of the contract, BAE informed the Joint Programme Board meeting (which handled the OPV matter) of a delay in delivery of two interim vessels.

Since 2008, the PNM government was aware of the late delivery of the interim vessels, as well as the push back of delivery of the OPVs.

"I recall also that in its report on June 17, 2008, the MOD (British Ministry of Defence) was critical of BAES and its lack of openness and transparency, and its failure to share information and details of its build programme, which was inconsistent with the principles of the partnership agreement that I had signed in October 2007. The MOD also noted there were discrepancies in what BAES was stating to be the cause of the delay and also what it was reporting as to the precise extent of the delay," stated Best.

The former CG commander said it was the MOD which advised T&T to "reiterate the importance of the contractual delivery dates" for OPV 1, in time for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting (CHOGM) in Port of Spain in November 2009, "which was to be attended by Her Majesty the Queen and for which meetings we had planned to use OPV 1 for security purposes as BAES was aware".

However, BAE failed to meet their own deadline targets in 2009 for delivery of OPV 1 and OPV 2.

Best said on 16 May, 2009, the Trinidad and Tobago government issued a notice of default in respect of BAE's failure to deliver OPV 1 by the contractual delivery date. However, a month after, BAE insisted it could meet the OPV schedule as previously forecast—OPV 1 on February 24, 2010, OPV 2 on May 15, 2010 and OPV 3 on November 15, 2010.

"During the course of late 2009 and 2010, in consequence of these delays and BAE's consequent default under the contract, giving rise to a right to terminate the contract with the government, BAE proposed re-setting the delivery dates for the three OPVs, in return for providing the Government with a package of compensation," he said.

However, that draft was not signed by the old administration or the new People's Partnership Government.

But the company then experienced another problem with the combat systems.

A major cause of concern was that the guns were not done to specifications and whether they could be effective—it could not successfully hit a moving target unless done manually, which would not be practical on the high seas, and could only fire within a 4 km and not a 6 km radius, which was specified in the contract.

"We considered it vital that OPV 1 be demonstrated to be fully compliant with the build specification before the Government accepted the vessel, all the more so because it was first of class. BAE's reluctance to provide further trials and tests to satisfy its customer was difficult to understand," said Best.

[/b]"BAES was asking us to accept the vessel without having demonstrated any effective capability of the main armament in the mode in which it was primarily intended to be operated. We had no data on the performance of the armament and no visibility on how it would perform after the problems had been resolved[/b].... In an e-mail to me of May 18, 2010, commenting on the letter, Captain Huggins (also of the T&T Coast Guard) observed:[/b] "It is clear that this vessel would not be able to defend itself if attacked when up against current technology. I would not like to sound or appear facetious, but in terms of a naval vessel, our attempts of an upgrade has more or less resulted in a downgrade...we are back to using mechanical sights."[/b]

Following this, a report was done by the UK's Ministry of Defence on June 18, which observed that T&T OPV 1 had been offered up for acceptance "with a degraded combat system and a number of relatively minor (for the amount of money spent???) outstanding issues/defects throughout the ship".

In its assessment report, the MOD surmised: "In an ideal world, the vessel should be presented for acceptance, fully completed and without any defects. However, in our experience, that is never achieved, and hence there is always a judgment to be made about whether the ship is in sufficiently complete state to 'accept' and take forward." (protecting their own...british company...british govt....affecting british economy and reputation?)

The MOD had urged T&T to consider accepting the degraded boat with a hope of rectification (possibly one year). (protecting their own..british)

For his part, Best agreed with the MOD to accept the OPVs subject to the contractual commitments being put in place pre-acceptance.

"A large amount of time and money had been invested in the project, not to mention manpower (including a large number of staff and crew) over an extended period of time," he observed.

Best wasn't the only one who shared this view.

On August 14, 2010, former minister of National Security John Sandy had provided a note to Cabinet in which, having reviewed the regional maritime security requirements, had recommended that government accept the OPVs on the basis of an acceptance agreement put in place that included a rectification plan to correct all outstanding faults, compensation for the diminished capability of the combat system and a re-negotiated compensation package for delayed delivery.

That was disclosed in the witness statement of Attorney General Anand Ramlogan. In his witness statement to the arbitration, Ramlogan said it was a collective Cabinet decision to terminate the contract on September 16, 2010.

"One of the factors that weighed in keeping the OPV contract going was the vast amount of time, sunk cost and opportunity cost, in terms of man time, that we had invested over a very substantial period of time, and the fact that we needed to upgrade our maritime capability. However, in the end, we decided to cancel for the reason stated in our letter the following day: namely, the very substantial delay in BAES in delivering the OPVs which did not inspire any confidence as to the future. Added to this history of delay was the future ongoing delays in delivering the OPVs, the continuing uncertainty over future timescales for rectification, the uncertain prognosis upon rectification and the risks that Government would be taking in accepting the OPVs in these circumstances," stated Ramlogan.

—To be continued in tomorrow's Express
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/OPV ... 31481.html

u mussee a bake if u buy stuff from sellers like this

[UML]

the make mention that infrastructure work was done.....does this not benefit the CG and their other boats or boats of the future?

btw don forget the PNM made the decision to hire this apparently incompetent company

the PP tried to clean up the sh it they did

[rfari]

That's not true right? Ah mean.....right?

U being a Jew eh dan. Just letting u know.
It makes u wonder what really happened to our blimp. Oh right. A blimp ain't a submarine.

[dcom23]

@UML you answered none of my questions. Nowhere in the article did i read the problems were permanent and unfix-able. More over the article stated we would have been compensated and the problems rectified and finally only little children result to insults when their arguments are inane.

[rfari]

the make mention that infrastructure work was done.....does this not benefit the CG and their other boats or boats of the future?

btw don forget the PNM made the decision to hire this apparently incompetent company

the PP tried to clean up the sh it they did

Popo everything gonna work out.

...Kamla 'proud' of Anand

By Anna Ramdass By anna.ramdass@trinidadexpress.com Story Created: Nov 18, 2012 at 10:50 PM ECT (Story Updated: Nov 19, 2012 at 7:18 AM ECT )

Prime Minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday expressed pride in Attorney General Anand Ramlogan for his role in the success of the settlement of the of the Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) arbitration process with shipbuilder British Aerospace Engineering (BAE) which resulted in the payment of $1.382 billion to the State.

"I am proud and satisfied that this matter has been amicably resolved and wish to pay tribute to the Attorney General, Anand Ramlogan, for his dedication and commitment to this matter."

The Prime Minister joined in the chorus of praises for Ramlogan as on Saturday National Security Minister Jack Warner also issued a release stating that Ramlogan's success in the settlement was a form of vindication as many have called for his (Ramlogan's) removal.

Yesterday, the Prime Minister not only sent the message that her confidence in Ramlogan remained strong but also said that the OPV settlement was one where the nation can "feel duly proud".

"Today, I feel vindicated by the decision I took, as we have been able to repel a $700 million claim against our country and emerge victorious with a settlement of $1.4 billion," said Persad-Bissessar.

She said that while many appear to be "shell shocked" by the positive result— her Government was not.

"There is no 'secret deal', or hidden, undisclosed, future cost or supplemental agreement; the $1.4 billion represents full and final settlement without the government having to pay any money to BAE," she added.

The Prime Minister said that the settlement will allow the Government to repay the OPV loan and also provide a surplus $340 million which can be utilised for the benefit and upliftment of our people.

"This isn't a political victory; it is an undeniably positive result for every citizen," said Persad-Bissessar as she expressed thanks to members of the Defence Force and her Cabinet.

[eliteauto]

the make mention that infrastructure work was done.....does this not benefit the CG and their other boats or boats of the future?

btw don forget the PNM made the decision to hire this apparently incompetent company

the PP tried to clean up the sh it they did

not necessarily, the extension of the jetty may be applicable to future boats, but we do not know how much of the infrastructure was vessel specific, similar to the extensive training received by the Coast Guard Officers, lots of money wasted

[zoom rader]

Place get quiet bai.
Brb. Getting submarine license

rfari, I know you not very bright but hold some coke subs that transport in Pacific and not though the Caribbean sea. Pacific is vast ocean with limited patrol vessels Vs Caribbean busy seas.
Why transport the heavily patrolled Caribbean sea when its easer to use the pacific. You may not know that the British navy patrols in the Caribbean sea for drugs.

[rfari]

Place get quiet bai.
Brb. Getting submarine license

rfari, I know you not very bright but hold some coke subs that transport in Pacific and not though the Caribbean sea. Pacific is vast ocean with limited patrol vessels Vs Caribbean busy seas.
Why transport the heavily patrolled Caribbean sea when its easer to use the pacific. You may not know that the British navy patrols in the Caribbean sea for drugs.

Shhsshshshss... doh wowwy. Trinidad not a major transshipment point anymore. Since pp come in government.

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

[rfari]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

[RIPEBREDFRUIT]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

knowing the average intelligence of our Coast guard, if we had subs, it would be the same as the POlish coast guard, i can see it now, Trinidad naval sub is 100 feet down and some one hears a knock on the outside, so he opens the hatch and everyone drowns!

faking morons, cant even drive and dock a boat properly, you will give them a sub?

[zoom rader]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

What an interceptor subs? Do tell us

[xtech]

I think he meant sub interceptors.... Right?

[zoom rader]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

knowing the average intelligence of our Coast guard, if we had subs, it would be the same as the POlish coast guard, i can see it now, Trinidad naval sub is 100 feet down and some one hears a knock on the outside, so he opens the hatch and everyone drowns!

faking morons, cant even drive and dock a boat properly, you will give them a sub?

Dude Trinidad did have Navel Submarines before, and there still is a port for it

[WetR]

ent coast guards did flekup d hoisting of d national flag during an independence day ceremony?

[j.o.e]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

knowing the average intelligence of our Coast guard, if we had subs, it would be the same as the POlish coast guard, i can see it now, Trinidad naval sub is 100 feet down and some one hears a knock on the outside, so he opens the hatch and everyone drowns!

faking morons, cant even drive and dock a boat properly, you will give them a sub?

Dude Trinidad did have Navel Submarines before, and there still is a port for it

how man belly button come in dis talk?

[zoom rader]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

knowing the average intelligence of our Coast guard, if we had subs, it would be the same as the POlish coast guard, i can see it now, Trinidad naval sub is 100 feet down and some one hears a knock on the outside, so he opens the hatch and everyone drowns!

faking morons, cant even drive and dock a boat properly, you will give them a sub?

Dude Trinidad did have Navel Submarines before, and there still is a port for it

how man belly button come in dis talk?

eh spelin mistook

[rfari]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

What an interceptor subs? Do tell us

Submarines to intercept other submarines since that's where the drug trade at nowadays according to zoom zader:roll:

[zoom rader]

So why doesnt ANY government actually give one of those local boat makers a contract?

Those same boat builders crying about how everyone importing boats cheaply and not buying their OVERLY INFLATED priced boats, so they went and sought HIGHER import duties be imposed on personal importers, why de fak they dont complain about how government not using their LOCAL vessels too?

How about a Fleet of 30 Big mouth (wide) Pirogues to cover the coast? why must we spend so much for something we didnt need? oh my bad- it was the peeenem that made that deal- go figure

Because its interceptor subs we need

What an interceptor subs? Do tell us

Submarines to intercept other submarines since that's where the drug trade at nowadays according to zoom zader:roll:

Nope its not according to me, It was a report that was done on National Geographic to show the growing use of cocaine subs and how difficult they are find.

[16 cycles]

buying a car with known faults to park it up and expect the dealer to dedicate resources to fix it in a timely manner makes sense?

think there were more competent ship builders with proven vessels and technology that could have given us better value for money....

we all loosing here....regardless of government....

[kaylex]

All I hadda say is.. the OPV's may have been here in the early part of 2011.. so they would have been in comission by now atleast... We are now in the latter part of 2012... borders still open..

We are going to order vessels from Colombia now.. which make take another two years to build...


So simple maths suggests... that since the elections... a four year window was provided for gun runners and drug dealers.. whether is was done willfully or out of ignorance is another debate....

But to just anyone out there???
What last have we heard or seen a marijuana bust or cocaine interception .. save the chicken container at the start of the SOE in 2011 where no arrests were made up to today>?

I see on the newspapers though lil drug mule get held with something in the jacket.. yadda yadda,... Some other imps drop a bag with couple thousand rounds of ammo last week....
I wonder where them ting coming from?? couple thousand rounds of ammo... eh.. not 12 bullet...

So tell me political sycophants>>>>> why we not having any drug busts in the last two years?? where is the 120 day crime plan the current govt spoke off in their party manifesto?? why the borders open again.... buh wait... on Ian Alleyne somebody father gone to test some boat engine and dissapear..... I wonder where he gone baye>>>>

I jus askin.. eh....

[Crackpot]

All I hadda say is.. the OPV's may have been here in the early part of 2011.. so they would have been in comission by now atleast... We are now in the latter part of 2012... borders still open..

We are going to order vessels from Colombia now.. which make take another two years to build...


So simple maths suggests... that since the elections... a four year window was provided for gun runners and drug dealers.. whether is was done willfully or out of ignorance is another debate....

But to just anyone out there???
What last have we heard or seen a marijuana bust or cocaine interception .. save the chicken container at the start of the SOE in 2011 where no arrests were made up to today>?

I see on the newspapers though lil drug mule get held with something in the jacket.. yadda yadda,... Some other imps drop a bag with couple thousand rounds of ammo last week....
I wonder where them ting coming from?? couple thousand rounds of ammo... eh.. not 12 bullet...

So tell me political sycophants>>>>> why we not having any drug busts in the last two years?? where is the 120 day crime plan the current govt spoke off in their party manifesto?? why the borders open again.... buh wait... on Ian Alleyne somebody father gone to test some boat engine and dissapear..... I wonder where he gone baye>>>>

I jus askin.. eh....

This restores my faith in humanity yes

[16 cycles]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-09- ... ld-central

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-07- ... ust-tobago

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/04/ ... ana-seized

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/thursday ... 5m-cocaine

simple google search for 2012....

[kaylex]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-09-10/500000-marijuana-bust-two-families-held-central

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2012-07- ... ust-tobago

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/2011/04/ ... ana-seized

simple google search for 2012....

LORD... A MAN STRIKES....LOL

LET MEH INFORM YUH CAUSE LIKE YUH ENT KNOW

YOUR THREE SIEZURES ADD UP TO UMMMM... AMM..... 300 KILOS OF MARY JANE for the whole year of 2012....lmao...

1. TWO SIEZURES OF VINCEY MARIJUANA....

WHO SMOKIN THAT SH*T DUDE??? VINCEY OR WHA???
Everyday i smelling hard hard hard Arizona when ....incase you dont know it hails from Jamaica... No siezures of that since Chicken man from south import...... ooops... wait nah they doh import arizona via the sea??

2. Where the real cocaine siezures dan???? doh sh*t meh up and tell meh them lil half a kilo of processed , or already cooked garbage.. where the ting the man who dissapear going to check the engine went for...>>> the rel pure...

3. wait nah but the siezures you talk about >>> on the north coast and in bago... So wha i seein here dan... is that north coast and tobago importing lower grade mary jane... and.. buh wait... chicken container from south.. import more lucrative arizona ting.. So i guess based on that info.. all the small level importers on the east west and tobago and the other....... hmn.....

just did a study recently... a simple check at TTPS will show we dropped in narcotic siezures.. by over 10 percent....

If you wanna talk busts... please refer.....
http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,126163.html

buh that one bust... work up too all that happen in 2012?>???
google some more ,,, see what other stats you could pull out...

we go talk den

[NorStar2K]

Gentlefolk, is it possible for you to share your opinions and comments with each other without the need for disparaging or condescending remarks towards each other?

As this is a public forum, you are entitled to your opinion on the subject matter. However, you are NOT entitled to attack another person's opinion/view simply because it may differ from yours, or attack their intelligence or character.

Be guided. Thank you.

[16 cycles]

.......
why we not having any drug busts in the last two years??

I jus askin.. eh....

......no probs at asking.....a simple search showed that you would be subject to correction..........whether you change your tune or accept that you were mistaken is your call....