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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby X_Factor » November 7th, 2012, 6:08 pm

the way the points table is at present and 6pts to play for the other 3 teams will all feel they are in with a chance and will be coming hard at us!!

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby kurpal_v2 » November 7th, 2012, 6:13 pm

X_Factor wrote:the way the points table is at present and 6pts to play for the other 3 teams will all feel they are in with a chance and will be coming hard at us!!




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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Hirotoshi » November 7th, 2012, 8:38 pm

good game by celtic,very poor defending by barca. villonova still don,t know his best starting 11(injuries aside),he has chosen a different 11 in every game barca has played for the 12/13 season,it seems he has no confidence in the xavi/ineista/busquets trio(proven game winning combination)? why was villa & farbregas on the bench(ucl is not a fete match session,you should always play your best in-form & fit players) & it,s about time they adapt a sweeper role in the defence to counter the long ball,that always results in an easy goal,with valdes rushing off his goal line 8-)

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Morpheus » November 8th, 2012, 12:02 am

kevcam wrote:Barely any space inside the box. Celtic defending very well. Song looking lil shaky as he got that early card. Hope he does not get a second yellow. When Xavi or Alves gets the ball is only Messi and Alexis inside the box with 6 - 8 defenders so someone has to do some running off the ball to receive a pass inside (like what Fabregas does at times.)

They have to start taking shots on goal. All this passing outside the box and not taking shots will not get goals. Patience yes, but Celtic study Barcelona well, so Barca have to do something a lil different. Bayern killing Lille in that other game.


^^They have been pissing me off with that for some time now. 70% possession and losing makes no sense. Shoot de blasted ball.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby cincuanta » November 8th, 2012, 6:54 pm

What is Plan B? Some sides have realised that by keeping 10 men behind the ball and blocking off the spaces, Barca doesnt have Plan B. And now with a piss poor defence, these overhead balls causing plenty problems for the defenders. So the opposition having 4 shots on goal, scoring two(off long balls/set plays), while our possesion/passing stats look exceptional. Figure it out.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby X_Factor » November 8th, 2012, 7:20 pm

imo plan B could be taking shots outside and actually giving the other team the ball allowing them to come out of defense and then trying a long ball ourselves

u all noticed that the celts never attacked the ball as well.....they jus zoned off whoever had the ball and crowd the box
not even giving probably more than 3 free kicks in good positions

that style turned out to be pep's kryptonite and i hope it isnt the same for tito

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby kevcam » November 9th, 2012, 8:36 am

Plan B....

Take shots right outside the box, low and hard shots too. One might get a deflection that goes to another Barca player, goes into the goal, keeper forced to make a save back into the area where somebody gets a free shot on goal (like the rebound Messi scored) or get a corner. All of the above scenarios catches the defense off guard and will cause them to react to the situations, rather than they having time to anticipate and steal the next pass. If you taking a shot most times the defender will try to charge down the shot. If you fake him and he catches you then you can get a free kick outside the box and Messi improved on these this year.

Start counter attacks faster. This will always catch the defense off guard and they may not have the time to form in proper defense formation. Barca gets the ball when the other sides play breaks down and just hold on to the ball to start all that passing thing again. Messi and Pedro have enough speed and ability to take on the defense while somebody like Fabregas or Iniesta can eventually get into position to receive the pass if Messi or Pedro can't get a shot off goal.

It seems that Barca style of play have the guys a little physically lazy. Not much running off the ball and they were just waiting for the pass to come to them and Celtic anticipated this a number of times in the game where they cut out obvious passes because they know that Barca not taking shots outside the box.

Interesting thought on giving up possession to the other side. That is something that could possibly work to create a more open game but that most likely would backfire badly. It would also help if they stop letting the other side score first too. (I lost track of how many games this year Barca had to come from behind.) Things like corners we may have to accept but not plays like how the second goal was scored. It would help too if the chances that hit the bar and post went in but that is how the game goes sometimes.

I believe that they really have to try very hard to stop giving up the first goal to sides like these because that just makes the game even harder. If Barca scores first then the other side would have to throw more men forward if they want to score, and it opens up the game. Not saying that all of the above is easy to do but these types of games can't just be ONLY pass, pass, pass and not taking shots. Dominating possession and still losing the game makes no sense.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Morpheus » November 9th, 2012, 10:44 am

Take shots right outside the box, low and hard shots too. One might get a deflection that goes to another Barca player, goes into the goal, keeper forced to make a save back into the area where somebody gets a free shot on goal (like the rebound Messi scored) or get a corner


That's all I needed to read. That's my point. Shoot de damn ball. Give the keeper something to think about. Playing de ass on top the 18 yard box right through not making sense. They over-pass and try to walk the ball into the goal :|

Most goals scored against Barca are against the run of play/counter attacks. (BTW our defense suffering)

Again. 70% possession and losing makes no sense.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Kongorealm » November 9th, 2012, 12:46 pm

kevcam wrote:Plan B....

Take shots right outside the box, low and hard shots too. One might get a deflection that goes to another Barca player, goes into the goal, keeper forced to make a save back into the area where somebody gets a free shot on goal (like the rebound Messi scored) or get a corner. All of the above scenarios catches the defense off guard and will cause them to react to the situations, rather than they having time to anticipate and steal the next pass. If you taking a shot most times the defender will try to charge down the shot. If you fake him and he catches you then you can get a free kick outside the box and Messi improved on these this year.

Start counter attacks faster. This will always catch the defense off guard and they may not have the time to form in proper defense formation. Barca gets the ball when the other sides play breaks down and just hold on to the ball to start all that passing thing again. Messi and Pedro have enough speed and ability to take on the defense while somebody like Fabregas or Iniesta can eventually get into position to receive the pass if Messi or Pedro can't get a shot off goal.

It seems that Barca style of play have the guys a little physically lazy. Not much running off the ball and they were just waiting for the pass to come to them and Celtic anticipated this a number of times in the game where they cut out obvious passes because they know that Barca not taking shots outside the box.

Interesting thought on giving up possession to the other side. That is something that could possibly work to create a more open game but that most likely would backfire badly. It would also help if they stop letting the other side score first too. (I lost track of how many games this year Barca had to come from behind.) Things like corners we may have to accept but not plays like how the second goal was scored. It would help too if the chances that hit the bar and post went in but that is how the game goes sometimes.

I believe that they really have to try very hard to stop giving up the first goal to sides like these because that just makes the game even harder. If Barca scores first then the other side would have to throw more men forward if they want to score, and it opens up the game. Not saying that all of the above is easy to do but these types of games can't just be ONLY pass, pass, pass and not taking shots. Dominating possession and still losing the game makes no sense.


very well said and agree with this strategy!

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby cincuanta » November 9th, 2012, 1:01 pm

As crazy at it may seem, our possesion based play is actually hindering us in these types of games. These teams know that they have no chance of beating us in open play, so they dont bother too. But the philosophy goes that we will stay true to our style, no matter what. So we wonder if the team/coach realise the need for plan B, or if they truly truly believe that this will take them thru thick and thin teams.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby X_Factor » November 9th, 2012, 5:10 pm

im glad that it happened in a first round game and i am sure all around the world is talking about it because it was almost identical to the chelsea game last season that we lost!

so lets hope they come up with a plan B in the event that its needed

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby ado15mk3 » November 9th, 2012, 9:32 pm

Morpheus wrote:
Take shots right outside the box, low and hard shots too. One might get a deflection that goes to another Barca player, goes into the goal, keeper forced to make a save back into the area where somebody gets a free shot on goal (like the rebound Messi scored) or get a corner


That's all I needed to read. That's my point. Shoot de damn ball. Give the keeper something to think about. Playing de ass on top the 18 yard box right through not making sense. They over-pass and try to walk the ball into the goal :|

Most goals scored against Barca are against the run of play/counter attacks. (BTW our defense suffering)

Again. 70% possession and losing makes no sense.


this.

happens in every game at least 10 times; man have nice look on goal, i does always be bawling at the tele 'shoot' and sanchez, xavi, iniesta, busquets et al always passing.
only man does really shoot on cue is villa. messi knows when to do it.
come on nah is 10 men in front you just waiting to crowd you out, just try some shots nah :|
good to see pique back. just waiting on puyol and abi now. bartra looking real good but made a couple errors. defense looking better for 2013.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby cincuanta » November 10th, 2012, 11:20 pm

Taking long range, hit or miss shots is an admission of technical inferiority i.e. the inability to pass the ball/play the ball well. Barca will rather lose games than do this.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Morpheus » November 11th, 2012, 1:09 am

cincuanta wrote:Taking long range, hit or miss shots is an admission of technical inferiority i.e. the inability to pass the ball/play the ball well. Barca will rather lose games than do this.


Saw many teams win games due to deflections, keeper mistakes, own goals, etc, from longs range shots eh. And by the way long range for Barca is just inside the 18 yard box. All there they refusing to pull trigger.

I'm not saying to shoot everything, just mix it up a little. Lost too many games while having over 65% possession

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby cincuanta » November 11th, 2012, 3:26 am

One thing we havent spoken about is the Celtic goalkeeper. That guy was on fire, red hot! I was like "damn I wish he was on our team" :lol: I really do :|

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby De Dragon » November 11th, 2012, 1:42 pm

Barca 3, Mallorca 0 at half-time.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby neocyst » November 11th, 2012, 1:44 pm

3-0 (half time) against Mallorca.
Hernandez,Messi,Tello

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby X_Factor » November 11th, 2012, 1:45 pm

that free kick, it look like he was set up for messi and a left foot kick so once xavi hit it with the right, he really had no chance

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby De Dragon » November 11th, 2012, 2:19 pm

4-2 now in the 70th minute.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby kurpal_v2 » November 11th, 2012, 2:20 pm

See i brought you guys luck as soon as i logged on to the game.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby sharkman121 » November 11th, 2012, 2:25 pm

Look Tommy Smyth talking about Dasheen leaves and callaloo in TnT.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby De Dragon » November 11th, 2012, 2:27 pm

kurpal_v2 wrote:See i brought you guys luck as soon as i logged on to the game.

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby De Dragon » November 11th, 2012, 2:42 pm

De Dragon wrote:4-2 now in the 70th minute.

Final scoreline as well. Congrats to Barca!

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Morpheus » November 11th, 2012, 2:51 pm

sharkman121 wrote:Look Tommy Smyth talking about Dasheen leaves and callaloo in TnT.


LoL. Well done Shaka! :lol:

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Hirotoshi » November 11th, 2012, 3:20 pm

cincuanta wrote:One thing we havent spoken about is the Celtic goalkeeper. That guy was on fire, red hot! I was like "damn I wish he was on our team" :lol: I really do :|

keepers only save like that when they playing barca & have to face messi :lol: (don,t forget checs heroics for chelsea last ucl season) another good win for barca,great goals by xavi & tello,rocket second goal for messi 8-)

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby De Dragon » November 11th, 2012, 5:53 pm

Also Messi's 75th and 76th goals move him past Pele and within 9 of Gerd Muller's record for most in a calendar year! 8-)

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby cincuanta » November 11th, 2012, 7:26 pm

De Dragon wrote:Also Messi's 75th and 76th goals move him past Pele and within 9 of Gerd Muller's record for most in a calendar year! 8-)

The Old Goat must be rolling in he grave after Messi second goal :evilbat:

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby <=xjemler=> » November 12th, 2012, 8:15 am

De Dragon wrote:Also Messi's 75th and 76th goals move him past Pele and within 9 of Gerd Muller's record for most in a calendar year! 8-)


Congrats to him :arrow:

I think he will pass it tho

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby Kongorealm » November 12th, 2012, 8:23 am

really wanted a hattrick from Messi in this game

I patiently await Pele comments on Messi breaking his record...

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Re: El Barca es mes que un club!

Postby kevcam » November 12th, 2012, 8:54 am

X_Factor wrote:that free kick, it look like he was set up for messi and a left foot kick so once xavi hit it with the right, he really had no chance


Yup...Keeper was placed for a free kick from Messi. See what can happen when they take shots from outside the box. Tello, Messi and Xavi free kick all outside the box, granted the keeper should've saved Messi's first goal but this was exactly the kind of thing I was talking about that could happen when you take shots on goal.

Only watched the replay of the game at 3 this morning but I read Tito's comments about the game before I saw it and was like defense errors again!!!! He said

Barça “are going through a moment where the smallest errors lead to conceding a goal.”

Along the same lines, Vilanova recognised that opposing teams “are scoring a lot of goals without too much effort ... the smallest error leads to a goal.” Vilanova went on to say that “perhaps the match called for a Mallorca goal, but not two.”


Glad to see that he gave Bartra and Montoya a little run nearing the end of the game. Those guys have to get some more playing time. Congrats to Messi and hope he can reach 86 goals before the year ends.

Vilanova recognised that opposing teams “are scoring a lot of goals without too much effort


The above though is one of the most frustrating things to see continually in these games. Barca not making the other sides work hard for the goals.

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