The Religion Discussion

[Dizzy28]

^ it may not be happening in our time, but every religion has had its wars (however big), mass killings of those opposed and forceful acceptance / conversion.

Christianity had the Crusades.

Dspike,
You just described the perfect recipe for misguidance And worship based upon ignorance.

To you be your way and to me mine.

Just remember there will be a day when we all will stand before our Lord. You can use your poetry and Faith then. That day all will be made clear.

what if that day never happens or if on that "day" you find out what you believed all along was not true. What then?

I'm not decrying your beliefs, I am curious about what a reaction will be. Or if Hindus find out reincarnation in the manner they expected is not real. Clearly everyone can't be right.

Or what if everyone IS right? And on judgement day God accepts whatever sincere practices someone did in his life.

What would be your reaction to either?

Have never really read of any wars of conversions led by Hindus, Buddhists, Jains or Sikhs (Dharmic Religions)
AFAIK any mass killings/conversion drives followed on an event or activity that triggered a reaction as opposed to a pre meditated plan of conversion as the Catholic Church and the Moghuls had.

[MG Man]

^ it may not be happening in our time, but every religion has had its wars (however big), mass killings of those opposed and forceful acceptance / conversion.

Christianity had the Crusades.

Dspike,
You just described the perfect recipe for misguidance And worship based upon ignorance.

To you be your way and to me mine.

Just remember there will be a day when we all will stand before our Lord. You can use your poetry and Faith then. That day all will be made clear.

what if that day never happens or if on that "day" you find out what you believed all along was not true. What then?

I'm not decrying your beliefs, I am curious about what a reaction will be. Or if Hindus find out reincarnation in the manner they expected is not real. Clearly everyone can't be right.

Or what if everyone IS right? And on judgement day God accepts whatever sincere practices someone did in his life.

What would be your reaction to either?

duane, your argument is pointless...they KNOW they're right......the idea of 'what if' is irrelevant to them

[Kasey]

^^ONE CANNOT REASON WITH A CLOSED MIND!!!!!

[Red Fraction]

Duane don't confuse Christianity and crusaders. They are by no means the same thing.

[Red Fraction]

Duane don't confuse Christianity and crusaders. They are by no means the same thing.

[AdamB]

We prefer to call it "ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY"!!
Don't you have something close to that in your disbelief and simmy dimmy MGMan and Kasey?

[AdamB]

^ it may not be happening in our time, but every religion has had its wars (however big), mass killings of those opposed and forceful acceptance / conversion.

Christianity had the Crusades.

Dspike,
You just described the perfect recipe for misguidance And worship based upon ignorance.

To you be your way and to me mine.

Just remember there will be a day when we all will stand before our Lord. You can use your poetry and Faith then. That day all will be made clear.

what if that day never happens or if on that "day" you find out what you believed all along was not true. What then?

I'm not decrying your beliefs, I am curious about what a reaction will be. Or if Hindus find out reincarnation in the manner they expected is not real. Clearly everyone can't be right.

Or what if everyone IS right? And on judgement day God accepts whatever sincere practices someone did in his life.

What would be your reaction to either?

Have never really read of any wars of conversions led by Hindus, Buddhists, Jains or Sikhs (Dharmic Religions)
AFAIK any mass killings/conversion drives followed on an event or activity that triggered a reaction as opposed to a pre meditated plan of conversion as the Catholic Church and the Moghuls had.

Never heard of Kashmir? There's possibly a good reason why there were no conversion drives, the Jews believe that they were/are the chosen people of GOD so no one else qualifies. The Hindus well maybe that's an excellent way to keep people down in the "caste" system.

Interesting, all of the true prophets (and those who followed them) were commanded to invite people to GOD. So who was the Hindu prophet and those who followed him didn't follow in his footsteps? How come?

What you say Kasey?

[AdamB]

Duane don't confuse Christianity and crusaders. They are by no means the same thing.

RedFraction "Reloaded"!! LOL

[Dizzy28]

^ it may not be happening in our time, but every religion has had its wars (however big), mass killings of those opposed and forceful acceptance / conversion.

Christianity had the Crusades.

Dspike,
You just described the perfect recipe for misguidance And worship based upon ignorance.

To you be your way and to me mine.

Just remember there will be a day when we all will stand before our Lord. You can use your poetry and Faith then. That day all will be made clear.

what if that day never happens or if on that "day" you find out what you believed all along was not true. What then?

I'm not decrying your beliefs, I am curious about what a reaction will be. Or if Hindus find out reincarnation in the manner they expected is not real. Clearly everyone can't be right.

Or what if everyone IS right? And on judgement day God accepts whatever sincere practices someone did in his life.

What would be your reaction to either?

Have never really read of any wars of conversions led by Hindus, Buddhists, Jains or Sikhs (Dharmic Religions)
AFAIK any mass killings/conversion drives followed on an event or activity that triggered a reaction as opposed to a pre meditated plan of conversion as the Catholic Church and the Moghuls had.

Never heard of Kashmir? There's possibly a good reason why there were no conversion drives, the Jews believe that they were/are the chosen people of GOD so no one else qualifies. The Hindus well maybe that's an excellent to keep people down in the "caste" system.

What you say Kasey?

I guess you have never followed up on the history of Pakistan. The majority of Pakistani Muslims came from Hindu ancestry and even conversion to Islam has not stopped the caste system from being observed especially in the Pakistani states of Sindh and Punjab.

Kashmir has as much to do with national fervour as to religion no different from China- Taiwan/Tibet, Spain and the Basque Separatists, Serbia-Kosovo. In this case India happens to be Hindu dominated and Pakistan Muslim dominated.

You still haven't proved that Hindus or Buddhists set out willfully to convert persons en mass.

[AdamB]

You still haven't proved that Hindus or Buddhists set out willfully to convert persons en mass.

Sorry, I did not set out to prove this neither is it my responsibility!!

Is absense of a duty of a true prophet possibly a sign of absense of a true prophet?

God says in the Quran that prophets were sent to all nations, however we can only affirm those who are specifically mentioned in the Quran.

[Kasey]

The God of the Hindus are not limited as to SEND someone to do his bidding. Hindus believe that he loves them more than that, and not limited to ONLY sending someone.

Hindus believe that their God is so All powerful, that HE HIMSELF manifests himself, in a form easy for humans to relate and understand to.

Sometimes the messenger fumbles the message nah, so as the saying goes, if you want something doen right, DO IT YOURSELF!!!!

And contrary to other religious beliefs, Hindus believe their god is not LIMITED to only one judgement, souls only account for what they did, they dont suffer, or be happy for eternity. Bad deeds are limited, so whats the sense of unlimited punishment? The pain and suffering caused by a soul will be reflected back at the doer by Karma, nothing more. The joy that a soul brings will also be reflected to the doer, nothing more. The cycle goes on until souls can be discipline enough to acheive Moksha (oneness with God).

In summary, do right by your fellow man and dont judge him, thats for karma to work out. HINDUS DO NOT FEAR GOD!!!!!! They believe their God loves them to not do that.

[Dizzy28]

You still haven't proved that Hindus or Buddhists set out willfully to convert persons en mass.

Sorry, I did not set out to prove this neither is it my responsibility!!

Is absense of a duty of a true prophet possibly a sign of absense of a true prophet?

God says in the Quran that prophets were sent to all nations, however we can only affirm those who are specifically mentioned in the Quran.

But the Quran is not necessarily accurate so the existence of prophets is a belief and not a fact. Muhhamed is no more valid as is Jesus.

[MG Man]

We prefer to call it "ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY"!!
Don't you have something close to that in your disbelief and simmy dimmy MGMan and Kasey?

when I was in school, there was this homeless guy who used to be pelting down high street on a tricycle with tiny wheels...he was absolutely certain he was a police officer
your point is full of fail

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Duane don't confuse Christianity and crusaders. They are by no means the same thing.

are you saying Catholics are not Christians?
take a read

The Crusades were a series of religious expeditionary wars blessed by Pope Urban II and the Catholic Church, with the stated goal of restoring Christian access to the holy places in and near Jerusalem. Jerusalem was and is a sacred city and symbol of all three major Abrahamic faiths (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). The background to the Crusades was set when the Seljuk Turks decisively defeated the Byzantine army in 1071 and cut off Christian access to Jerusalem. The Byzantine emperor, Alexis I feared that all Asia Minor would be overrun. He called on western Christian leaders and the papacy to come to the aid of Constantinople by undertaking a pilgrimage or a crusade that would free Jerusalem from Muslim rule. Another cause was the destruction of many Christian sacred sites and the persecution of Christians under the Fatimid caliph Al-Hakim.

[Bizzare]

crossdrilled, i can tell u have close ties with a muslim(s)

[megadoc1]

here is a 90 second view of 5000 years of religion
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/history-of-religion.html

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somebody embed please!

[Bizzare]

why not ask jesus for divine embedding wisdom

[megadoc1]

I did !! but he sent you..now that's bizarre! thanks man

[Bizzare]

Christians win?

[Bizzare]

You mean God used me?
thinking about it, I did indeed feel filled of the Holy Ghost while posting

[megadoc1]

Christians win?

nope! that's not what the vid is saying

[d spike]

You still haven't proved that Hindus or Buddhists set out willfully to convert persons en mass.

Sorry, I did not set out to prove this neither is it my responsibility!!

Very nice of you... but you did state:

Have never really read of any wars of conversions led by Hindus, Buddhists, Jains or Sikhs (Dharmic Religions)

Never heard of Kashmir?

It is quite remarkable that you should mention Kashmir...
Here is some interesting information, acquired from your favourite source, Wikipedia (of which you are apparently unaware):

The Muslims and Hindus of Kashmir lived in relative harmony, since the Sufi-Islamic way of life that Muslims followed in Kashmir complemented the Rishi tradition of Kashmiri Pandits, and Sufi saints such as Sheikh Noor-ud-din Wali were thought of as Muslim Rishis. This led to a syncretic culture where Hindus and Muslims revered the same local saints and prayed at the same shrines. Famous sufi saint Bulbul Shah was able to convert Rinchan Shah who was then prince of Kashgar Ladakh to an Islamic lifestyle, thus founding the Sufiana composite culture. Under this rule, Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist Kashmiris generally co-existed peacefully. Over time, however, the Sufiana governance gave way to outright Muslim monarchs...

Some Kashmiri rulers, such as Sultan Zain-ul-Abidin who was popularly known as Budshah(بڈشاہ) (the King) (r.1423-1474), were tolerant of all religions...

...however, several Muslim rulers of Kashmir were intolerant of other religions. Sultãn Sikandar Butshikan of Kashmir (AD 1389-1413) is often considered the worst of these. Historians have recorded many of his atrocities. The Tarikh-i-Firishta records that Sikandar persecuted the Hindus and issued orders proscribing the residence of any other than Muslims in Kashmir. He also ordered the breaking of all "golden and silver images". The Tarikh-i-Firishta further states: "Many of the Brahmins, rather than abandon their religion or their country, poisoned themselves; some emigrated from their native homes, while a few escaped. After the emigration of the Brahmins, Sikandar ordered all the temples in Kashmir to be thrown down. Having broken all the images in Kashmir, Sikandar acquired the title of 'Destroyer of Idols'."

The Kashmir conflict is a territorial dispute between India and Pakistan over the Kashmir region, the northwestern most region of South Asia.

So... why mention Kashmir? Whatever religious persecution has taken place there, it was clearly started by the Muslims. Other than that, the nonsense happening there in modern times is political.

Ignorance is a helluva thing.

[Red Fraction]

Duane the biggest error in that paragraph
Is the "pope" if you dig into history you would see Rome the"Vatican" was like a wolf in sheep clothing. The massacred millions of Christians "waldensies" etc. Under the guise of infidels and back sliders.

Rome has polluted the bible to suit it's own agenda. As the pope said the other day on live television. "there is but two religions, Catholics and Christians" if you do your research carefully you will see, that Anglicans,Islam,Mormon,Hindu,Buddha, etc etc all stem from catholisism.

The Vatican is the richest city on earth, as well as the most monstrous things come out of the vatican. They dictate the trends today,they make laws,they have shares in EVERYTHING "I kid you not" you can believe or disbelieve what I said, that won't change the fact that it is true.

Do you know what is a Jesuit and what is their main goal in this world as well Duane?

[d spike]

Megadoc, I didn't get time to take part in that discussion with Marlener and yourself regarding the afterlife, but I just thought you should know that the scripture Marlener was quoting from (Ecc.) is a Sadducee text - and this now-defunct Judaic sect didn't believe in an afterlife.

Cheers

[d spike]

if you do your research carefully you will see, that Anglicans,Islam,Mormon,Hindu,Buddha, etc etc all stem from catholisism.

Can you go into details here please?

[Gladiator]

Rome has polluted the bible to suit it's own agenda. As the pope said the other day on live television. "there is but two religions, Catholics and Christians" if you do your research carefully you will see, that Anglicans,Islam,Mormon,Hindu,Buddha, etc etc all stem from catholisism.

Makes absolutely no sense...

[d spike]

Rome has polluted the bible to suit it's own agenda. As the pope said the other day on live television. "there is but two religions, Catholics and Christians" if you do your research carefully you will see, that Anglicans,Islam,Mormon,Hindu,Buddha, etc etc all stem from catholisism.

Makes absolutely no sense...

Regarding Hinduism and Buddhism, I agree with you there.

The Buddha lived and taught somewhere between four and six hundred years before Jesus.

Hinduism is considered the world's oldest religion, its origin lost in the mists of time. It is the "Religion of India" and the earliest evidence for prehistoric religion in India date back to the late Neolithic in the early Harappan period (5500–2600 BC). The beliefs and practices of the pre-classical era (1500–500 BC) are called the "historical Vedic religion". The oldest Veda is the Rigveda, dated to 1700–1100 BC.

[sensiman]

Did you guys know Jesus drove a Honda but was on the d-low about it?

[Red Fraction]

Dspike it's alot to read, but you have to go back in time and Wikipedia will not show you the facts. But they are their plain as day. My sister has a book called Vatican assassins. Do you honestly believe half the catastrophes and bombings and riots and earthquakes are natural coincidence or planned?

Me saying all these religions are the same Means nothing to you because, you havenot read what I have read and looked for. The truth is there it's just clouded in carefully mastered devices designed to keep mankind in darkness.

From what I read very soon they will go back to congress in the beloved USA and church and state will come together to usher in a national Sunday law disguised as a day of rest. But in truth and in fact it really means that no 7th day worshipped will be allowed to worship on chateau. If one is caught death is sure.

At first I didn't believe these things but when you sit and read what is written in books, there's no doubt that these things will surely come to pass.

You need not believe me that's not my perogative,but it is their. Dont think all the middle east topplings and riots and wars and questionable happenings are just coincidence.

To the guy who said why God allows people to die and suffer.
That is not Gods doing, God cannot kill he allows us to do as we please Til our own sins overtake us. Well that means nun to you if you don't believe God is real.

Do you think this government is really run my this government dspike?
I am sure you must know that one MUST be a free mason to run a country.
Do you know the IMF dictates how a country spends it's money?
Did you know that everytrend especially the "gay" trend is set by forces who control all governments?
Did you know that the Vatican amassed it's wealth from funneling cocaine during the world wars?
Did you know that the human being must not be apt to listen to the beat of drums, and soul searching?

Ask machel what it means to empty ones body?
You think that sound is meaningless?
God must let things play out for itself before he steps in. Through the play and counter play God is in control.

[Bizzare]

Did you guys know Jesus drove a Honda but was on the d-low about it?

he and his disciples use to move in one accord