The Religion Discussion

[Bizzare]

You can't choose a religion. That's doesn't make sense. All religions require full belief in it's teaching. To choose one would mean u do not fully believe. Religions do not allow themselves to be chosen. If u chose a religion, u are not a follower of the religion you think u chose.

[bluefete]

If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!!

[AdamB]

You can't choose a religion. That's doesn't make sense. All religions require full belief in it's teaching. To choose one would mean u do not fully believe. Religions do not allow themselves to be chosen. If u chose a religion, u are not a follower of the religion you think u chose.

OK now, has braying has more or less subsided? I guess that Duane was the only one who was catching the drift of what I was trying to say.

@Dspike,
Firstly, please note the scenario was prefixed by A synopsis: If

synopsis (http://definr.com/synopsis)

n : a sketchy summary of the main points of an argument or
theory [syn: outline, abstract, precis, adumbration]

if
conjunction
1. in case that; granting or supposing that; on condition that: Sing if you want to. Stay indoors if it rains. I'll go if you do.

Secondly,
What do christians believe / what does the Bible say will happen on the Day of Judgment? Who will be the judge and who will be judged? Is GOD going to show up or turn up on that dreadful day and make himself known? I guess the events of Day of Judgment makes absolutely no sense as well!?

Duane said it right, well partly: If there is a choice of which God to follow then that means there is NOT one God and there is NOT only one way to worship him and that would effectively make the entire concept of monotheistic God and religion null and void.

I did not say a choice of which god to follow but which religion to follow. The reason is that the different religions paint pictures of different gods but THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, so only ONE RELIGION can be right (or NONE).

If the religions oppose each other directly so that ALL CANNOT BE RIGHT but one is right, then which one?

Duane's question made reference to ISLAM AND CHRISTIANITY.

Duane 3NE 2NR wrote:

Quote:

fundamentalism (ˌfʌndəˈmɛntəˌlɪzəm)
— n
1. Christianity (esp among certain Protestant sects) the belief that every word of the Bible is divinely inspired and therefore true

2. Islam a movement favouring strict observance of the teachings of the Koran and Islamic law
what proof does either fundamentalist have that their book is right and the other is wrong?

is it based on faith and gut feeling alone?

SO FOR YOU ROCKET SCIENTISTS, LITERACY GENIUSES / GENII AND THOSE WITH 1/4 OF Crossdrilled EDUCATION, I WAS SUGGESTING AN OPINION POLL!!! THE BASIS - THE DISCUSSIONS AND ARGUMENTS FOR BOTH OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS / HUNDREDS OF PAGES.

[chasemeifyoucan]

Is this guy Autistic or something? seriously, even the way he structures his posts is dysfunctional.

Anyways, AdamB, since you are somewhat knowledgeable of Islam,
1: What is your religion's view on those that commit suicide
2: Do you purchase items at grocery stores that choose to sell products that adhere to Islamic rules eg. No alcohol?

[AdamB]

[quote="Duane 3NE 2NR
Which is why it seems the discussion is now about which way is the right way.
[/quote]
Every person has a choice.

Some choose to believe in GOD.

Some choose to follow a religion.

Some choose to follow a religion because of Society.

Some choose to follow a religion because of the Bells and Whistles.

Some choose to follow a religion because of "How it go look!"

Some choose to follow a religion because of Popularity.

Some choose to follow the religion acceptable to GOD ALMIGHTY.

FIRST SINCERITY, THEN FOLLOWING!!

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ which religion and which sect is acceptable to God Almighty?

If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!!

who said anything about control?

the sickbeds and funeral homes have Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc etc as well

everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their practices

[AdamB]

^ which religion and which sect is acceptable to God Almighty?

If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!!

who said anything about control?

the sickbeds and funeral homes have Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc etc as well

everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their practices

I think he was trying to say that a higher power / GOD is in control of the things we cannot directly control or things that happen that we didn't deliberately intend?

[AdamB]

Is this guy Autistic or something? seriously, even the way he structures his posts is dysfunctional.

Anyways, AdamB, since you are somewhat knowledgeable of Islam,
1: What is your religion's view on those that commit suicide
2: Do you purchase items at grocery stores that choose to sell products that adhere to Islamic rules eg. No alcohol?

Be concerned with the MESSAGE, not the messenger, not his tuner skills.

What is your religion and/or your personal view of suicide?

Do you purchase at Islamic shariah compliant grocery stores?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ why answer with the same questions?

^ which religion and which sect is acceptable to God Almighty?

If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!!

who said anything about control?

the sickbeds and funeral homes have Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc etc as well

everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their practices

I think he was trying to say that a higher power / GOD is in control of the things we cannot directly control or things that happen that we didn't deliberately intend?

Yes I know that is what he was saying, however it seems the same sickness and death occurs to people of ALL religions

No religion can claim that they have less sick people than another and no religion can claim their prayers work better than any other religion.

So GOD controls things we cannot directly control in life the same for Muslims and Hindus.

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

[AdamB]

^ why answer with the same questions?
Chasemeifyoucan, Why do you want to know? I had referred to these issues as "Storm in the teacup", meaning "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Why ask that question of Islam alone? Why not direct to all?

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

Maybe start with :
1. Belief in GOD
2. Sincerity
3. Seeking knowledge
4. Making an informed choice.

If you don't get over the first hurdle, your race is over!

[chasemeifyoucan]

Is this guy Autistic or something? seriously, even the way he structures his posts is dysfunctional.

Anyways, AdamB, since you are somewhat knowledgeable of Islam,
1: What is your religion's view on those that commit suicide
2: Do you purchase items at grocery stores that choose to sell products that adhere to Islamic rules eg. No alcohol?

Be concerned with the MESSAGE, not the messenger, not his tuner skills.
If the messenger is incoherent in delivering the message then the message itself becomes muddled, and btw, it's not "tuner skills", it's communication skills.

What is your religion and/or your personal view of suicide?

Do you purchase at Islamic shariah compliant grocery stores?

Why are you asking me the same thing I asked you? Are you intoxicated? Only a drunk person would retort in such a manner.

[AdamB]

Is this guy Autistic or something? seriously, even the way he structures his posts is dysfunctional.

Anyways, AdamB, since you are somewhat knowledgeable of Islam,
1: What is your religion's view on those that commit suicide
2: Do you purchase items at grocery stores that choose to sell products that adhere to Islamic rules eg. No alcohol?

Be concerned with the MESSAGE, not the messenger, not his tuner skills.
If the messenger is incoherent in delivering the message then the message itself becomes muddled, and btw, it's not "tuner skills", it's communication skills.

What is your religion and/or your personal view of suicide?

Do you purchase at Islamic shariah compliant grocery stores?

Why are you asking me the same thing I asked you? Are you intoxicated? Only a drunk person would retort in such a manner.

But aren't I evidence to the contrary?

[De Dragon]

Is this guy Autistic or something? seriously, even the way he structures his posts is dysfunctional.

Anyways, AdamB, since you are somewhat knowledgeable of Islam,
1: What is your religion's view on those that commit suicide
2: Do you purchase items at grocery stores that choose to sell products that adhere to Islamic rules eg. No alcohol?

Be concerned with the MESSAGE, not the messenger, not his tuner skills.
If the messenger is incoherent in delivering the message then the message itself becomes muddled, and btw, it's not "tuner skills", it's communication skills.

What is your religion and/or your personal view of suicide?

Do you purchase at Islamic shariah compliant grocery stores?

Why are you asking me the same thing I asked you? Are you intoxicated? Only a drunk person would retort in such a manner.

Mebbe intoxicated by God's love

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ why answer with the same questions?
Chasemeifyoucan, Why do you want to know? I had referred to these issues as "Storm in the teacup", meaning "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Why ask that question of Islam alone? Why not direct to all?

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

Maybe start with :
1. Belief in GOD
2. Sincerity
3. Seeking knowledge
4. Making an informed choice.

Since every religious person believes in God, the next issue is sincerity. So therefore you're implying that anyone who does not agree with YOUR beliefs is being insincere?

[AdamB]

Is this guy Autistic or something? seriously, even the way he structures his posts is dysfunctional.

Anyways, AdamB, since you are somewhat knowledgeable of Islam,
1: What is your religion's view on those that commit suicide
Our religion has a view applicable to those belonging to it who commit suicide. I am not a mufti (one who is qualified to give rulings).
2: Do you purchase items at grocery stores that choose to sell products that adhere to Islamic rules eg. No alcohol?

If those stores exist, then I do. I don't purchase and I don't consume alcohol.

Be concerned with the MESSAGE, not the messenger, not his tuner skills.
If the messenger is incoherent in delivering the message then the message itself becomes muddled, and btw, it's not "tuner skills", it's communication skills.

What is your religion and/or your personal view of suicide?

Do you purchase at Islamic shariah compliant grocery stores?

Why are you asking me the same thing I asked you? Are you intoxicated? Only a drunk person would retort in such a manner.

Mebbe intoxicated by God's love

[AdamB]

^ why answer with the same questions?
Chasemeifyoucan, Why do you want to know? I had referred to these issues as "Storm in the teacup", meaning "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Why ask that question of Islam alone? Why not direct to all?

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

Maybe start with :
1. Belief in GOD
2. Sincerity
3. Seeking knowledge
4. Making an informed choice.

Since every religious person believes in God, the next issue is sincerity. So therefore you're implying that anyone who does not agree with YOUR beliefs is being insincere?

You will have to ask them but I did not intend to imply that.

I am suggesting that the searching and processing of information (knowledge) should be done unbiased with a sincere open heart / mind.

GOD is able to see or read this "sincerity" and will guide the person on his quest.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ why answer with the same questions?
Chasemeifyoucan, Why do you want to know? I had referred to these issues as "Storm in the teacup", meaning "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Why ask that question of Islam alone? Why not direct to all?

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

Maybe start with :
1. Belief in GOD
2. Sincerity
3. Seeking knowledge
4. Making an informed choice.

Since every religious person believes in God, the next issue is sincerity. So therefore you're implying that anyone who does not agree with YOUR beliefs is being insincere?

You will have to ask them but I did not intend to imply that.

I am suggesting that the searching and processing of information (knowledge) should be done unbiased with a sincere open heart / mind.

GOD is able to see or read this "sincerity" and will guide the person on his quest.

so you agree that the more than a billion sincere, God fearing, knowledge seeking, informed Hindus around the world were guided by God to follow Hinduism their entire lives?

Agreed?

[AdamB]

^ why answer with the same questions?
Chasemeifyoucan, Why do you want to know? I had referred to these issues as "Storm in the teacup", meaning "Don't sweat the small stuff".

Why ask that question of Islam alone? Why not direct to all?

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

Maybe start with :
1. Belief in GOD
2. Sincerity
3. Seeking knowledge
4. Making an informed choice.

Since every religious person believes in God, the next issue is sincerity. So therefore you're implying that anyone who does not agree with YOUR beliefs is being insincere?

You will have to ask them but I did not intend to imply that.

I am suggesting that the searching and processing of information (knowledge) should be done unbiased with a sincere open heart / mind.

GOD is able to see or read this "sincerity" and will guide the person on his quest.

so you agree that the more than a billion sincere, God fearing, knowledge seeking, informed Hindus around the world were guided by God to follow Hinduism their entire lives?

Agreed?

No, I don't agree. We don't know those things. Where did they seek knowledge?

It's of no consequence to anyone what others did or do. What matters is what you do for yourself, that you are sincere, unbiased, in your choice.

Also of benefit is to ask GOD for help, to show truth as truth and falsehood as falsehood.

BTW DID YOU GET OVER THE FIRST HURDLE?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ yes I got over all four hurdles.

I am trying to understand your logic

Hindus seek knowledge in a book and teachings that they truly and sincerely believe is the word of God. Don't you also do the same?

[dregz]

@AdamB i posted a reply to you, could you please answer my questions.

[Daran]

Sorry to derail any existing conversation going on, but Adamb.......the problem many of us are having with your ways is that you insist you are right, you insist you have proof (then don't need proof when asked to provide the said proof).

You portray your version of Islam as the holy grail, and all others are wrong and being misled. Sometimes you're a literalist, sometimes not...all too convenient.

Yet, you're unable to refute pedofilic verses in the Koran.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However,

he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia).

If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible

for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one

of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the

girl’s sister. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”

—————————————————————————————————————-

“It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is

still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

The age of “weaning” is still technically a baby.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.” - the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini

Note: a fatwa is the name given to a written religious law or ruling by an islamic leader.

Sahih Bukhari Volume Seven, Book 62, Number 88. -the “prophet” himself. << Is that where this comes from ? Please explain, did Muhammad say the above ? I have heard about this "thighing" practice before. If you cant explain this, then its true that your prophet Muhammad said this. I'm not saying he did, im asking.

http://exposingthelieofislam.wordpre...-within-islam/

However, that isn't my point surprisingly. There's nothing you can or any religious person can tell me that can make me a believer.

When you de-attach yourself from it, it becomes so obvious to see how Man has created fictional stories to explain his existence. Every religion, every culture, tribe etc has a mythical stories about folklore, superstition and some an invisible man/men/women in the sky/sea/earth.

It's obvious that some of these stories will become popular and entrenched when believers take it to a higher more refined level, indoctrinating masses and the young for the main purpose of fear and control.

At present day, Islam more than any other religion, is a religion of FEAR.

How can you trust a religion that preaches so much hate and fearmongering? Shouldn't that attributed make you suspicious of the religions true motives?

I'll be quiet honest that the Islamic version of God (Allah) seems like a petty, vindictive, egotistical, insecure, jealous and hypocritical muffler bearing.......making the devil/Satan look like a good guy in comparison.

[bluefete]

^ why answer with the same questions?

^ which religion and which sect is acceptable to God Almighty?

If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!!

who said anything about control?

the sickbeds and funeral homes have Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc etc as well

everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their practices

I think he was trying to say that a higher power / GOD is in control of the things we cannot directly control or things that happen that we didn't deliberately intend?

Yes I know that is what he was saying, however it seems the same sickness and death occurs to people of ALL religions

No religion can claim that they have less sick people than another and no religion can claim their prayers work better than any other religion.

So GOD controls things we cannot directly control in life the same for Muslims and Hindus.

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

It is not about religion. It is about God (as you rightly said about His control). Did you ever wonder why, given all the different religions in the world, we all share the same common occurrence of sickness and death?

If these different God(s) in these different religions were all different, should there not be a difference in our common experiences, especially with death?

Or is it that there is one Supreme God (regardless of religion) in total control of all?

[bluefete]

Sorry to derail any existing conversation going on, but Adamb.......the problem many of us are having with your ways is that you insist you are right, you insist you have proof (then don't need proof when asked to provide the said proof).

You portray your version of Islam as the holy grail, and all others are wrong and being misled. Sometimes you're a literalist, sometimes not...all too convenient.

Yet, you're unable to refute pedofilic verses in the Koran.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However,

he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia).

If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible

for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one

of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the

girl’s sister. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”

—————————————————————————————————————-

“It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is

still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

The age of “weaning” is still technically a baby.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.” - the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini

Note: a fatwa is the name given to a written religious law or ruling by an islamic leader.

Sahih Bukhari Volume Seven, Book 62, Number 88. -the “prophet” himself. << Is that where this comes from ? Please explain, did Muhammad say the above ? I have heard about this "thighing" practice before. If you cant explain this, then its true that your prophet Muhammad said this. I'm not saying he did, im asking.

http://exposingthelieofislam.wordpre...-within-islam/

However, that isn't my point surprisingly. There's nothing you can or any religious person can tell me that can make me a believer.

When you de-attach yourself from it, it becomes so obvious to see how Man has created fictional stories to explain his existence. Every religion, every culture, tribe etc has a mythical stories about folklore, superstition and some an invisible man/men/women in the sky/sea/earth.

It's obvious that some of these stories will become popular and entrenched when believers take it to a higher more refined level, indoctrinating masses and the young for the main purpose of fear and control.

At present day, Islam more than any other religion, is a religion of FEAR.

How can you trust a religion that preaches so much hate and fearmongering? Shouldn't that attributed make you suspicious of the religions true motives?

I'll be quiet honest that the Islamic version of God (Allah) seems like a petty, vindictive, egotistical, insecure, jealous and hypocritical muffler bearing.......making the devil/Satan look like a good guy in comparison.

Legitimizing pedophilia is not in the Qu'ran. That is a perverted Imam's idea put into a fatwa.

Much of Islam mirrors the teachings of Christianity but it is up to the followers of all religions to read and question the books for themselves and NOT take the interpretation of a man with an agenda.

[mamoo_pagal]

Sorry to derail any existing conversation going on, but Adamb.......the problem many of us are having with your ways is that you insist you are right, you insist you have proof (then don't need proof when asked to provide the said proof).

You portray your version of Islam as the holy grail, and all others are wrong and being misled. Sometimes you're a literalist, sometimes not...all too convenient.

Yet, you're unable to refute pedofilic verses in the Koran.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However,

he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia).

If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible

for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one

of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the

girl’s sister. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”

—————————————————————————————————————-

“It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is

still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

The age of “weaning” is still technically a baby.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.” - the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini

Note: a fatwa is the name given to a written religious law or ruling by an islamic leader.

Sahih Bukhari Volume Seven, Book 62, Number 88. -the “prophet” himself. << Is that where this comes from ? Please explain, did Muhammad say the above ? I have heard about this "thighing" practice before. If you cant explain this, then its true that your prophet Muhammad said this. I'm not saying he did, im asking.

http://exposingthelieofislam.wordpre...-within-islam/

However, that isn't my point surprisingly. There's nothing you can or any religious person can tell me that can make me a believer.

When you de-attach yourself from it, it becomes so obvious to see how Man has created fictional stories to explain his existence. Every religion, every culture, tribe etc has a mythical stories about folklore, superstition and some an invisible man/men/women in the sky/sea/earth.

It's obvious that some of these stories will become popular and entrenched when believers take it to a higher more refined level, indoctrinating masses and the young for the main purpose of fear and control.

At present day, Islam more than any other religion, is a religion of FEAR.

How can you trust a religion that preaches so much hate and fearmongering? Shouldn't that attributed make you suspicious of the religions true motives?

I'll be quiet honest that the Islamic version of God (Allah) seems like a petty, vindictive, egotistical, insecure, jealous and hypocritical muffler bearing.......making the devil/Satan look like a good guy in comparison.

Legitimizing pedophilia is not in the Qu'ran. That is a perverted Imam's idea put into a fatwa.

Much of Islam mirrors the teachings of Christianity but it is up to the followers of all religions to read and question the books for themselves and NOT take the interpretation of a man with an agenda.

But yet there are people who can come to this interpretation, even though the book is said to be clear, precise and easy to follow. It falls victim to what all belief systems fall victim to. Human interpretation and a selfish approach to reading it. The mere fact that one can get a particular interpretation indicates that a book is not as flawless as it claims, as it is subject to human interpretation and this applies to all belief systems. This is where humility in a belief system comes in........understanding that your belief is sacred to you and because you see it as sacred it does not make it superior to another's.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Sorry to derail any existing conversation going on, but Adamb.......the problem many of us are having with your ways is that you insist you are right, you insist you have proof (then don't need proof when asked to provide the said proof).

You portray your version of Islam as the holy grail, and all others are wrong and being misled. Sometimes you're a literalist, sometimes not...all too convenient.

Yet, you're unable to refute pedofilic verses in the Koran.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However,

he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia).

If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible

for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one

of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the

girl’s sister. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.”

—————————————————————————————————————-

“It is not illegal for an adult male to ‘thigh’ or enjoy a young girl who is

still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

The age of “weaning” is still technically a baby.

—————————————————————————————————————-

“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged.” - the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini

Note: a fatwa is the name given to a written religious law or ruling by an islamic leader.

Sahih Bukhari Volume Seven, Book 62, Number 88. -the “prophet” himself. << Is that where this comes from ? Please explain, did Muhammad say the above ? I have heard about this "thighing" practice before. If you cant explain this, then its true that your prophet Muhammad said this. I'm not saying he did, im asking.

http://exposingthelieofislam.wordpre...-within-islam/

However, that isn't my point surprisingly. There's nothing you can or any religious person can tell me that can make me a believer.

When you de-attach yourself from it, it becomes so obvious to see how Man has created fictional stories to explain his existence. Every religion, every culture, tribe etc has a mythical stories about folklore, superstition and some an invisible man/men/women in the sky/sea/earth.

It's obvious that some of these stories will become popular and entrenched when believers take it to a higher more refined level, indoctrinating masses and the young for the main purpose of fear and control.

At present day, Islam more than any other religion, is a religion of FEAR.

How can you trust a religion that preaches so much hate and fearmongering? Shouldn't that attributed make you suspicious of the religions true motives?

I'll be quiet honest that the Islamic version of God (Allah) seems like a petty, vindictive, egotistical, insecure, jealous and hypocritical muffler bearing.......making the devil/Satan look like a good guy in comparison.

Legitimizing pedophilia is not in the Qu'ran. That is a perverted Imam's idea put into a fatwa.

Much of Islam mirrors the teachings of Christianity but it is up to the followers of all religions to read and question the books for themselves and NOT take the interpretation of a man with an agenda.

correct, those quote are NOT in the Qur'an and we should ABSOLUTELY avoid posting without a credible source

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!!

who said anything about control?

the sickbeds and funeral homes have Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc etc as well

everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their practices

I think he was trying to say that a higher power / GOD is in control of the things we cannot directly control or things that happen that we didn't deliberately intend?

Yes I know that is what he was saying, however it seems the same sickness and death occurs to people of ALL religions

No religion can claim that they have less sick people than another and no religion can claim their prayers work better than any other religion.

So GOD controls things we cannot directly control in life the same for Muslims and Hindus.

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?

It is not about religion. It is about God (as you rightly said about His control). Did you ever wonder why, given all the different religions in the world, we all share the same common occurrence of sickness and death?

If these different God(s) in these different religions were all different, should there not be a difference in our common experiences, especially with death?

Or is it that there is one Supreme God (regardless of religion) in total control of all?

How is it not about religion? If it was about God only then it wouldnt matter HOW you praised God and then there would be no need for organised religion; just do it however you want to do it. That would delegitimize ALL the holy books with their instructions on how to pray and who to praise; just be good and get into heaven!

So it is very much about religion; they all claim they are the right one, but without proof other than faith from the followers

we all share the same common occurrences of alot more than just death. But scientifically that can be accredited to evolution or our carbon based life.

[AdamB]

Thank you Bluefete & Duane. Once more you seem to be the only other level-headed persons in here! Is it because you are sincere, that you call a spade a spade?

What is wrong with the sight of others in here who can't seem to understand the concept of real historical evidence and credible sources of information?

Mamoo,
There are clear verses as well as unclear verses. None know the meaning of the latter save GOD, the angels and the people of knowledge. Those in whose hearts are a disease misinterpret these unclear verses and go astray, following their desires. The reason is either corruption of knowledge or corruption of intent.

According to what you said above, then should we judge Christianity by the actions of Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Jones?

[bluefete]

[quote="bluefete]If you want to know how much you are in control of anything in this life, go to a hospital and look at the people in their sickbeds.

Better yet, go to a funeral home and look at the dead!![/quote]who said anything about control?

the sickbeds and funeral homes have Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics etc etc as well

everyone gets the same treatment regardless of their practices[/quote]
I think he was trying to say that a higher power / GOD is in control of the things we cannot directly control or things that happen that we didn't deliberately intend?[/quote]Yes I know that is what he was saying, however it seems the same sickness and death occurs to people of ALL religions

No religion can claim that they have less sick people than another and no religion can claim their prayers work better than any other religion.

So GOD controls things we cannot directly control in life the same for Muslims and Hindus.

all this brings the same question over and over: which one is right?[/quote]

It is not about religion. It is about God (as you rightly said about His control). Did you ever wonder why, given all the different religions in the world, we all share the same common occurrence of sickness and death?

If these different God(s) in these different religions were all different, should there not be a difference in our common experiences, especially with death?

Or is it that there is one Supreme God (regardless of religion) in total control of all?[/quote]How is it not about religion? If it was about God only then it wouldnt matter HOW you praised God and then there would be no need for organised religion; just do it however you want to do it. That would delegitimize ALL the holy books with their instructions on how to pray and who to praise; just be good and get into heaven!

So it is very much about religion; they all claim they are the right one, but without proof other than faith from the followers

we all share the same common occurrences of alot more than just death. But scientifically that can be accredited to evolution or our carbon based life.[/quote][/quote]

All religions say they are the right ones. However, the God of these religions have created / evoluted us with certain basic features.

If there was not one True God, then the blueprint for human beings would be tremendously skewed. That is, we would not, generally, all have two eyes, feet etc.

Did the God of the different religions get together and agree on a blueprint for humans? Or did they all agree that evolution would be the common grounder?

When we look out into space, the process of creation continues up to today. Stars, planets, galaxies continue to be born and die. Great discoveries continue to be made.

It is a pity that evolutionists continue to duck the question about the origin of life.


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[Duane 3NE 2NR]

All religions say they are the right ones. However, the God of these religions have created / evoluted us with certain basic features.

God of these religions? God did not create different religions - both theists and atheists agree with that.

If there was not one True God, then the blueprint for human beings would be tremendously skewed. That is, we would not, generally, all have two eyes, feet etc.

And how do you know what we are supposed to look like? If we all had 4 hands, 3 eyes and 6 ears we would not think that was weird because everyone would be like that. Simple logic.

Did the God of the different religions get together and agree on a blueprint for humans? Or did they all agree that evolution would be the common grounder?

No religion teaches this and there is no scientific evidence of it.

When we look out into space, the process of creation continues up to today. Stars, planets, galaxies continue to be born and die. Great discoveries continue to be made.

It is a pity that evolutionists continue to duck the question about the origin of life.

Evolution does not deal with the origin of life. Evolution only deals with how life changes over time, once life already exists.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Thank you Bluefete & Duane. Once more you seem to be the only other level-headed persons in here! Is it because you are sincere, that you call a spade a spade?

What is wrong with the sight of others in here who can't seem to understand the concept of real historical evidence and credible sources of information?

I try my best to call a spade a spade

but I am still asking you: You talk about real historical evidence and credible sources of information.
What makes the Bible or the Gita not credible?