why Duane doh put ah Powerseller Ratings and feedback ?

[redmanjp]

so when u call in and make a posting in a newspaper classified someone has an issue with your ad/product where is your recourse?
thats exactly what 2nr is

If it is that u can call the newspaper in question about the ad, then u should at least be able to PM a mod or Duane himself? that way u don't slander their name because it's a pm and not a public post- and perhaps maybe a 5 star rating system could be used to big up power-sellers, those who don't get many stars can't complain because no actual complaint/ accusation was made, how about that?

Of course if fraud or any illegal activity was proven or the police/consumer affairs alert 2nr i would expect that they would remove such an ad- no business would want to be associated with a fraudster

btw OP were u conned recently? then send Duane a PM and see what he say?

[cinco]

so when u call in and make a posting in a newspaper classified someone has an issue with your ad/product where is your recourse?
thats exactly what 2nr is

If it is that u can call the newspaper in question about the ad, then u should at least be able to PM a mod or Duane himself? that way u don't slander their name because it's a pm and not a public post- and perhaps maybe a 5 star rating system could be used to big up power-sellers, those who don't get many stars can't complain because no actual complaint/ accusation was made, how about that?

Of course if fraud or any illegal activity was proven or the police/consumer affairs alert 2nr i would expect that they would remove such an ad- no business would want to be associated with a fraudster

btw OP were u conned recently? then send Duane a PM and see what he say?

u can call the newspaper and question an ad in the classifieds?
what becomes of it?

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

so when u call in and make a posting in a newspaper classified someone has an issue with your ad/product where is your recourse?
thats exactly what 2nr is

If it is that u can call the newspaper in question about the ad, then u should at least be able to PM a mod or Duane himself? that way u don't slander their name because it's a pm and not a public post- and perhaps maybe a 5 star rating system could be used to big up power-sellers, those who don't get many stars can't complain because no actual complaint/ accusation was made, how about that?

Of course if fraud or any illegal activity was proven or the police/consumer affairs alert 2nr i would expect that they would remove such an ad- no business would want to be associated with a fraudster

btw OP were u conned recently? then send Duane a PM and see what he say?

I posted it twice in this thread already
THERE IS RECOURSE! Call the Consumer Affairs Division of the Ministry of Legal Affairs! They are equipped to handle such complaints. They can call on the police and fraud squad to act and investigate.

PM'ing me wont help, I cannot investigate and I cannot prove that you are right and the seller is wrong or vice versa. I have no such jurisdiction.

Star ratings are an option however there is always the possibility that users can create multiple accounts to rate up themselves or others who they favourite OR a competitor can get friends or register multiple accounts to give another powerseller a low rating thus bringing down their average.

[crazychinee]

I Dont see why users aren't allowed to post good/bad comments about powersellers. They should be moderated, but posts along the lines of
"Good service, fast delivery" , or
"Product wasnt delivered as advertised, never able to get incontact with the guy, always some mamaguy"

should be allowed.
It's the same way good comments are allowed for certain powersellers, bad ones should be as well.

What you're bascially saying is that, if a user has a bad experience, he needs to contact Consumer affairs WHILE the powerseller continuously delivers a bad service to the members of the site, the same ones that make you money btw.

Solution: Create a facebook group, and post all alya want about bad powersellers.But careful, ask raptor, real wannabegangsterbhais on the facebook.

[RapToR]

I Dont see why users aren't allowed to post good/bad comments about powersellers. They should be moderated, but posts along the lines of
"Good service, fast delivery" , or
"Product wasnt delivered as advertised, never able to get incontact with the guy, always some mamaguy"

should be allowed.
It's the same way good comments are allowed for certain powersellers, bad ones should be as well.

What you're bascially saying is that, if a user has a bad experience, he needs to contact Consumer affairs WHILE the powerseller continuously delivers a bad service to the members of the site, the same ones that make you money btw.

Solution: Create a facebook group, and post all alya want about bad powersellers.But careful, ask raptor, real wannabegangsterbhais on the facebook.

there is or was a Facebook group for it

will check for link later

[crazychinee]

I Dont see why users aren't allowed to post good/bad comments about powersellers. They should be moderated, but posts along the lines of
"Good service, fast delivery" , or
"Product wasnt delivered as advertised, never able to get incontact with the guy, always some mamaguy"

should be allowed.
It's the same way good comments are allowed for certain powersellers, bad ones should be as well.

What you're bascially saying is that, if a user has a bad experience, he needs to contact Consumer affairs WHILE the powerseller continuously delivers a bad service to the members of the site, the same ones that make you money btw.

Solution: Create a facebook group, and post all alya want about bad powersellers.But careful, ask raptor, real wannabegangsterbhais on the facebook.

there is or was a Facebook group for it

will check for link later

Post it.
Just buy a 2X4...gangster man still threatening to tie you up?

[bushwakka]

so when u call in and make a posting in a newspaper classified someone has an issue with your ad/product where is your recourse?
thats exactly what 2nr is

If it is that u can call the newspaper in question about the ad, then u should at least be able to PM a mod or Duane himself? that way u don't slander their name because it's a pm and not a public post- and perhaps maybe a 5 star rating system could be used to big up power-sellers, those who don't get many stars can't complain because no actual complaint/ accusation was made, how about that?

Of course if fraud or any illegal activity was proven or the police/consumer affairs alert 2nr i would expect that they would remove such an ad- no business would want to be associated with a fraudster

btw OP were u conned recently? then send Duane a PM and see what he say?

I posted it twice in this thread already
THERE IS RECOURSE! Call the Consumer Affairs Division of the Ministry of Legal Affairs! They are equipped to handle such complaints. They can call on the police and fraud squad to act and investigate.

PM'ing me wont help, I cannot investigate and I cannot prove that you are right and the seller is wrong or vice versa. I have no such jurisdiction.

Star ratings are an option however there is always the possibility that users can create multiple accounts to rate up themselves or others who they favourite OR a competitor can get friends or register multiple accounts to give another powerseller a low rating thus bringing down their average.

ok, i agree....there is recourse, albeit longwinded

but u know what might help the average buyer on tuner here, a best buying practice Sticky:

some sort of guidelines to have when making a purchase from a person i.e.
like make sure and obtain a receipt for the transaction
verify person's address etc

*let someone with a legal background add to this
the things that would make launching a complaint easy at trade & consumer affairs

believe me....there are ppl who wouldnt ask for a receipt

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ even though the same guidelines should be common sense and used by anyone when shopping anywhere, the list is a good idea - a user populated list would be even better.
Post some suggestions here

I Dont see why users aren't allowed to post good/bad comments about powersellers. They should be moderated, but posts along the lines of
"Good service, fast delivery" , or
"Product wasnt delivered as advertised, never able to get incontact with the guy, always some mamaguy"

should be allowed.
It's the same way good comments are allowed for certain powersellers, bad ones should be as well.

but who faces the legal implications of slandering the business with claims of false advertising?

What you're bascially saying is that, if a user has a bad experience, he needs to contact Consumer affairs WHILE the powerseller continuously delivers a bad service

But how is that different from a business on a corner who you've reported to consumer affairs?

to the members of the site, the same ones that make you money btw.

agreed, make us money to keep the site running for everyone to use for free, yes.

Solution: Create a facebook group, and post all alya want about bad powersellers.But careful, ask raptor, real wannabegangsterbhais on the facebook.

that is a possible solution. The legal implications would lie with facebook and not trinituner, though I am sure a few complaints to facebook from those who feel they have been slandered and facebook would have that group removed.

[Trini Hookah]

And what's to stop other users and/or Powersellers to create alternate accounts on FB to bash sales?

Works almost the same there as it does here in that instance.

[crazychinee]

^ even though the same guidelines should be common sense and used by anyone when shopping anywhere, the list is a good idea - a user populated list would be even better.
Post some suggestions here

I Dont see why users aren't allowed to post good/bad comments about powersellers. They should be moderated, but posts along the lines of
"Good service, fast delivery" , or
"Product wasnt delivered as advertised, never able to get incontact with the guy, always some mamaguy"

should be allowed.
It's the same way good comments are allowed for certain powersellers, bad ones should be as well.

but who faces the legal implications of slandering the business with claims of false advertising?

What you're bascially saying is that, if a user has a bad experience, he needs to contact Consumer affairs WHILE the powerseller continuously delivers a bad service

But how is that different from a business on a corner who you've reported to consumer affairs?

to the members of the site, the same ones that make you money btw.

agreed, make us money to keep the site running for everyone to use for free, yes.

Solution: Create a facebook group, and post all alya want about bad powersellers.But careful, ask raptor, real wannabegangsterbhais on the facebook.

that is a possible solution. The legal implications would lie with facebook and not trinituner, though I am sure a few complaints to facebook from those who feel they have been slandered and facebook would have that group removed.

If a powerseller decides that what a user has posted on facebook is libelous, doesn't it then become the problem of the poster really? I'm sure facebook has a disclaimer somewhere, and what powerseller will send a letter to facebook? But anyway...

Then posters may be a little bit more careful on how they post.
Remember...the powerseller has to prove 1st off that the statement was false, for it to be considered libelous.

[crazychinee]

And what's to stop other users and/or Powersellers to create alternate accounts on FB to bash sales?

Works almost the same there as it does here in that instance.

Good will outweigh the negatives. Not very hard to spot a fake facebook account, or delete dumbass posts on facebook.

[Team EVO]

i most believe that you guys who against negative feedback on any Power seller has never had any first hand experience with being sold faulty/knockoff products from sellers on Trinituner (i stand to be corrected)...i on the other hand had two personal experiences from sellers, one who sold knockoffs and one who sold faulty and i was most tempted to come and put up a post about it but i know it would of gotten deleted so i took matters in my own hand, and trust mih i got my justice both times. Anyways i am not saying that you should take matters in your own account just do a little research first.
Example 1: there are some sellers who sell knockoff performance parts in here before you go rushing into any deal do some research, first compare prices that selling elsewhere plus reputable brands has there own blogs on how to spot knockoff (HKS, APEXI) >>hint hint<<<
Example 2: just get some sort of guarantee from the seller if he is not willing to then just don't buy his product

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

If a powerseller decides that what a user has posted on facebook is libelous, doesn't it then become the problem of the poster really? I'm sure facebook has a disclaimer somewhere, and what powerseller will send a letter to facebook? But anyway...

We've sent emails to facebook for usernames that infringe on our copyright and facebook dealt with it within 24hrs to remove the content in our favour. It is in their ToS and rules. The same way we don't allow libellous or slanderous statements to be posted on trinituner.com.

Then posters may be a little bit more careful on how they post.
Remember...the powerseller has to prove 1st off that the statement was false, for it to be considered libelous.

LOL no

the accused is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.

[Hook]

There are user forums where all users are ranked according to a "thanks" system (as opposed to post count) which rates the quality of their posts, be it tech information, customer satisfaction or entertaining posts in the off-topic forums (which keeps the WOFB posts down considerably since it weighs the number of your posts to the number of thanks).

It's not totally foolproof, as users friends could inflate their ratings for them, but it helps. Maybe we should implement it here.

[MG Man]

thanks Hook

[DTAC]

Maybe an idea would be for there to be a "Trusted Powerseller" status that Duane could bestow onto Powersellers that has a proven track record and positive feedback from trusted members.

[Hook]

But from where would this "track record" be established so that other Powersellers could aspire to attain such a title?

[cinco]

buy from raptor /thread

[dougla_boy]

simple.........buy at yuh own risk......and as Duane rightfully said, there are 3 sides to a story.......

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

There are user forums where all users are ranked according to a "thanks" system (as opposed to post count) which rates the quality of their posts, be it tech information, customer satisfaction or entertaining posts in the off-topic forums (which keeps the WOFB posts down considerably since it weighs the number of your posts to the number of thanks).

It's not totally foolproof, as users friends could inflate their ratings for them, but it helps. Maybe we should implement it here.

good idea!
But that would help more with tech posts and not powersellers ads

Besides I'd give all MG Man posts a 0/5 rating

[MG Man]

OMG OMG OMG DUANE KNOWS MY NAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mediahouse]

Its a phpbb forum only so much they can do with it peeps.. move along nothing will be done here

[RapToR]

buy from raptor /thread

[tr1ad]

Raptor, did my silk come in?

i need to walk on something in the interim

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Its a phpbb forum only so much they can do with it peeps.. move along nothing will be done here

you created the topic and saying move along?

[JoKeR1980]

Its a phpbb forum only so much they can do with it peeps.. move along nothing will be done here

you created the topic and saying move along?

ROFL!!!

IBTL

lol

[RapToR]

Raptor, did my silk come in?

i need to walk on something in the interim

not yet. but your gold spoon is here and silver bullets

[toyolink]

Just maybe there are powersellers who are quite willing to subject themselves to some form of rating/customer feedback whilst providing trinituner with a waiver of liability.
The actual system to be used will require some careful work to protect the powerseller and ensure fairness but it could result in another level of powerseller with different economics attached.
The benefits to buyers,sellers and trinituner to be derived may justify the need for some developmental work.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ when we launched version 3 there was a section for powersellers who wanted to have a "store front". It resembled an Amazon store front and used content management for powersellers to update their items and prices etc, allow feedback and ratings if they wanted. however we never integrated into our current classifieds but may revisit it later on using a different pricing structure.

[DTAC]

The TriniTuner Store sounds like a cool addition.