LONDON RIOTS - No Carnival?

[drunkenscorpion]

wda......level rubber bullets shoulda spray there.....

Ah wonder if EPL gwan start still this weekend boy.....

[RASC]

AP you're wrong, back down.

London cannot be compared to a US standard with regards to "opportunities".
The U.K. is far more socialistic than the states, they get almost everything free over there. That is why the place is so bloody expensive, taxes are SKY high. Because all the work you do, but be used to feed these monsters.

These ppl are opportunistic thugs. The family of the slain victims have spoken out about the riots and condemned it significantly.



They live off the gov't and expect everything to just fall in their laps. The place has to become more capitalist if it is to survive. Not the other way around.

[ismithx]

Smart Trini man.

LOL @ "Leh me finish!"

OOOOOOAAAARRRRRR

Trini taking sense and that damn fast anchor wanna shut him down.... CONTINUE TALKING SENSE MAN!

[zoom rader]

They grew up and would most likely die in the ghetto.

Is the time in between that is the problem.

This "rioting" was long overdue. The majority of London and the world throughout did not care to know what was happening in these places...until now.

Come to think of it, why should any of us be surprised? The UK government's decision to make major budget cuts has resulted in a backlash.

Dude here what, The problem with the uk stems from the recent immigrant population. The only people to blame are the government for allowing the recent migrant influx. If u lived and worked in london u would understand this. Back in the early 80s london had the same problem but this time the cause was that of west Indian youth population in Brixton. Ever since the last riots 1981 the UK had closed the door on immigration for the west Indian people. It was only about 20 years ago the UK started a new immigration influx but this time the African nations , East Europe , and Asian was allowed into the UK. The UK government has to take blame because they made a mess by allowing these people in.

Here in Trinidad we have the same problem, all the problems in laventille and Beetham is caused by immigration during the last 50 years. These people should have never been allowed in. In the last five years we now have Guyaness , West African, China and Jamaican coming in. Its only a matter of time before Trinidad will also reap this new backlash. Trinidad must stop this influx of immigration in order to stop the soon to come backlash.

[RASC]

They grew up and would most likely die in the ghetto.

Is the time in between that is the problem.

This "rioting" was long overdue. The majority of London and the world throughout did not care to know what was happening in these places...until now.

Come to think of it, why should any of us be surprised? The UK government's decision to make major budget cuts has resulted in a backlash.

Dude here what, The problem with the uk stems from the recent immigrant population. The only people to blame are the government for allowing the recent migrant influx. If u lived and worked in london u would understand this. Back in the early 80s london had the same problem but this time the cause was that of west Indian youth population in Brixton. Ever since the last riots 1981 the UK had closed the door on immigration for the west Indian people. It was only about 20 years ago the UK stated a new immigration influx but this time the African nations , East Europe , and Asian was allowed into the UK. The UK government has to take blame because they made a mess by allowing these people in.

Here in Trinidad we have the same problem, all the problems in laventille and Beetham is caused by immigration during the last 50 years. These people should have never been allowed in. In the last five years we now have Guyaness , West African, China and Jamaican coming in. Its only a matter of time before Trinidad will also reap this new backlash. Trinidad must stop this influx of immigration in order to stop the soon to come backlash.

You have explained NOTHING.
Immigration is not a CAUSE of rioting.

Please dig deeper. Thanks.

[zoom rader]

You have explained NOTHING.
Immigration is not a CAUSE of rioting.

Please dig deeper. Thanks.[/quote]
RASC , No Immigration = No Riots

Back In 1990 coup, if we did not have Laventille & Beetham we would not have looters.

I do agree with you on that of Lazy bumms in England, Becuase I see most Trinis here in london going to schools and getting good jobs above that of other immigrant nations.

[zoom rader]

typical talk nah trini makin no sense while tryin to sound pseudo-intelligent n being a freedom fighter against the oh-so-oppressive white man

Go live in the congo you morons.

Sorry dude, I dont live in Congo but work there now and then.

[zcarz]

that trini man was irrational, rioting is not a solution.. maybe in egypt and syria but not the uk

[zoom rader]

that trini man was irrational, rioting is not a solution.. maybe in egypt and syria but not the uk

Try and understand hes a PNM branch member

[zcarz]

that trini man was irrational, rioting is not a solution.. maybe in egypt and syria but not the uk

Try and understand hes a PNM branch member

what are you talking about?

[zoom rader]

that trini man was irrational, rioting is not a solution.. maybe in egypt and syria but not the uk

Try and understand hes a PNM branch member

what are you talking about?

They trini guy in london, check his party card

[zcarz]

i still don't know what you're talking about but he was a member of the british black panther movement..

[RASC]

RASC , No Immigration = No Riots

So lets take for example the French Revolution...immigration caused that?

You're being irrational...it's not as simple as that.

The UK and Europe as a whole became a welfare state post WWII... as to prevent another Germany (1919-1932) from happening again. Due to marginalization, punishment, and capitalistic starvation from the rest of Europe, Germany became a breeding cesspit from which Hitler was allowed to gain control. He brought them out of a huge economic catastrophe.

Following WWII the Europeans closely examined their practices post WWI and started developing more socialistic ideologies, mixed into their mostly capitalist states. They did not want another Hitler to rise out of the ashes. This is why they gave so much money to Germany after the war to help it rebuild.

All of this is what has led to today. The middle class is taxed to thy kingdom come, and the ones below them just live off of it. There is no spur nor need for innovation, there is no hunger in their belly to "make it" out of poverty, and everything is nice because the state funds them all.

Their socialistic stance has brought them to this stalemate...not because of immigration. That makes NO sense whatsoever. Dig deeper...don't just blurt out things because it's what you see or feel.

[zoom rader]

typical talk nah trini makin no sense while tryin to sound pseudo-intelligent n being a freedom fighter against the oh-so-oppressive white man

Go live in the congo you morons.

Sorry dude, I dont live in Congo but work there now and then.

I talkin bout de trini

Ah yeah I did visit the congo up Arima once. But its nicer in the Democratic Congo

[~Vēġó~]

shoot to kill.....I approve this!!!!

also those who designed the aids virus should be killed....poor workmanship!!

[zoom rader]

RASC , No Immigration = No Riots

So lets take for example the French Revolution...immigration caused that?

You're being irrational...it's not as simple as that.

The UK and Europe as a whole became a welfare state post WWII... as to prevent another Germany (1919-1932) from happening again. Due to marginalization, punishment, and capitalistic starvation from the rest of Europe, Germany became a breeding cesspit from which Hitler was allowed to gain control. He brought them out of a huge economic catastrophe.

Following WWII the Europeans closely examined their practices post WWI and started developing more socialistic ideologies, mixed into their mostly capitalist states. They did not want another Hitler to rise out of the ashes. This is why they gave so much money to Germany after the war to help it rebuild.

All of this is what has led to today. The middle class is taxed to thy kingdom come, and the ones below them just live off of it. There is no spur nor need for innovation, there is no hunger in their belly to "make it" out of poverty, and everything is nice because the state funds them all.

Their socialistic stance has brought them to this stalemate...not because of immigration. That makes NO sense whatsoever. Dig deeper...don't just blurt out things because it's what you see or feel.

RASC, How would you solve this problem?

[teems1]

These riots are a bunch of opportunistic chav scum who see the opportunity to score some free stuff. They don't give 2 sheits about some gangster who was shot in Tottenham.

They didn't give 2 sheits about getting an education, were punks all through life and what little schooling they got. They are now technically unemployable since no one will hire those liabilities.

They hate new immigrants, yet love living off the dole and in council houses paid by those same immigrants taxes. Farking scum, all of them. Worse than beethamites imo because they have/had so many handouts and privileges which the vast majority of the world do not.

The sad part is, that recently more and more 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants of Caribbean descent, especially Jamaicans, are partaking in this lifestyle.

[turbohead]

terrorists they all are holdin their country at ransom. anywhere i see a brit i will now stereotype him as a terrorist...

[civic minded]

this is getting more and more out of control - tonite there is rioting in Manchester. Where is the 16K police the PM promised

[Smokey]

Let's get one thing straight....there is absolutely no suffering by these "poor" youth in London. The welfare state in England ensures that an unemployed lazy ass dunce has a better life & salary than a typical UWI graduate.

This welfare state basically encourages a large percentage of youth to be lazy and unambitious.

So why riot all of a sudden? Could be the budget cuts, could be bandwagonists jumping on "legitimate" protests of the killing of the gang leader, could be the arabic wave of discontent has spread to the uk.

Whatever the catalyst for these protests I don't expect them to reduce unless the police get things under control. Otherwise look forward to these riots spreading all over the UK and maybe even Europe and possible the US (if Obama loses in 2k12).

This is and always been a huge negative of a welfare state that breeds laziness while simultaneous giving people a lot of freedoms. It almost always encourages anarchy given the slightest discontent.

Bored unemployed youth are a very dangerous thing.

Once the wave has started and picks up sufficient momentum it will never be easy to stop.

[Cjruckus]

SkyNews "It's group of youths who are taking advantage of a situation"

they haven't brought you home yet?

[Smokey]

SkyNews "It's group of youths who are taking advantage of a situation"

they haven't brought you home yet?

I have lots of close family in London (hell i spend a month there every year) as well and I spoke to a few a tonight and they assured me that 99% of Londoners are safe with no riots nearby. Rioting is taking place in centralized areas of mainly depressed communities.

Everything is business as usual in most areas, but still everyone is on guard for crazy ass rioters/hooligans.

[zoom rader]

These riots are a bunch of opportunistic chav scum who see the opportunity to score some free stuff. They don't give 2 sheits about some gangster who was shot in Tottenham.

They didn't give 2 sheits about getting an education, were punks all through life and what little schooling they got. They are now technically unemployable since no one will hire those liabilities.

They hate new immigrants, yet love living off the dole and in council houses paid by those same immigrants taxes. Farking scum, all of them. Worse than beethamites imo because they have/had so many handouts and privileges which the vast majority of the world do not.

The sad part is, that recently more and more 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants of Caribbean descent, especially Jamaicans, are partaking in this lifestyle.

Please explain this to RASC, hes a little brain washed by the US. I dont belive that RASC has ever Lived nor worked in England. To undersand all of this you need to be in the system and not read from a book.

[RBphoto]

not read from a book.

This seems to be your approach to everything.. broscience is greater than book learning. RASC comes with facts. You guys can't even tell if he is agreeing with you or not or why exactly you are angry at what he said.

[RASC]

not read from a book.

This seems to be your approach to everything.. broscience is greater than book learning. RASC comes with facts. You guys can't even tell if he is agreeing with you or not or why exactly you are angry at what he said.

Don't even waste your time on "IT"

[RASC]

Just heard an interview via the BBC...the reporter had about 3 kids in front of him:

"I'll loot until I get caught init...my parents know I'm here...I'll probably get shouted at when I return home, but I could live with that...yeah sure I can afford these sneakers if I wanted to buy it, but I'm just doing it cause everyone else is...if someone broke into my house and stole everything from my parents, I'd be gutted init"

That's the kinda ignorance that is taking place. The "chav" culture is alive and well in those parts. These kids have NO summer jobs, NO desire to work and not one care in the world. They live off the dole and live to cause mayhem.

[16 cycles]

Trinidad get call in that ............

[southagain]

LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLING DOWN! - D Mighty Sparrow - listen to dat tune.

The chickens have come home to roost! Thug Life has always been part of their culture.....but now everybody vex when the youths stand up, and say F-U we will burn this M-F_*ker DOWN!

As usual they blaming blacks and not the policies of Government. For the first time these youths and the citizens are facing serious cutbacks, especially to free education WE ALL deserve.

Time people realize this Generation X got 'real balls' and is not going to take Sh*t lying down ....because its THEIR FUTURE! (and they will burn it down and rebuild it if they have tooooo!!!!)

Like the old guy told the BBC reporter, its simple, listen to the YOUTHS, not the BBC!

[teems1]

LONDON BRIDGE IS FALLING DOWN! - D Mighty Sparrow - listen to dat tune.

The chickens have come home to roost! Thug Life has always been part of their culture.....but now everybody vex when the youths stand up, and say F-U we will burn this M-F_*ker DOWN!

As usual they blaming blacks and not the policies of Government. For the first time these youths and the citizens are facing serious cutbacks, especially to free education WE ALL deserve.

Time people realize this Generation X got 'real balls' and is not going to take Sh*t lying down ....because its THEIR FUTURE! (and they will burn it down and rebuild it if they have tooooo!!!!)

Like the old guy told the BBC reporter, its simple, listen to the YOUTHS, not the BBC!

You're as dense as they come.

These looters are a bunch of punk kids who are using this opportunity to score free stuff.

You really think they care about the rise in university prices?! They probably don't even have any GCE passes and have absolutely no chance of getting into any university.

They end up getting some chavette pregnant, and are gifted a council house and monthly stipend just because they're a British citizen.

These riots are the polar opposite of the riots in Egypt/Tunisia/Libya etc, where the youth were fighting for their freedom from oppression and tyranny.

[teems1]

haha, watch until the end