What is the flaw in the dangerous dogs legislation ?

[Greypatch]

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,140308.html

Cabinet to consider Dangerous Dogs law

Wednesday, May 11 2011

PRIME MINISTER Kamla Persad-Bissessar yesterday said Cabinet will consider how to implement the Dangerous Dogs Act. She made this statement 24 hours after 46-year-old Denise Rackal was mauled to death by five pitbulls in Chaguanas.

Speaking with reporters after a meeting with President George Maxwell Richards at Knowlsey Building, Persad-Bissessar’s reaction to the attack was, “Oh my God!” Asked whether Government intends to reintroduce or try to implement existing legislation regarding dangerous dogs, the Prime Minister said: “On Thursday in the Cabinet we will have a serious consideration of that matter.”

She noted that while Dangerous Dogs legislation was passed in 2000 under the then UNC government, of which she was a Cabinet member, Persad-Bissessar said the law was never implemented because there were concerns that it was flawed. She added that Attorney General Anand Ramlogan “has his eyes” on the legislation with a view to implementing it.
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[noshownogo]

wonders if having mandatory insurance on any dog deemed dangerous will be suitable.

[hustla_ambition101]

Probably cuz Ramesh draft it and Anand want glory

[rossi]

the flaw is prob with regards to the breed of dog. I don't know so I just talkin up in mih ass eh.
Prob the law stated Pitbulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds and Dobermans as the dangerous ones and the loophole could be you having a MIXED breed dog.
Again, I jus saying.

[Dizzy28]

Didn't the law state Pit Bulls, Japanese Tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Brasileiro. Basically just ripping off the UK Dangerous Dogs Bill.

[DrunkenMaster16]

the flaw is prob with regards to the breed of dog. I don't know so I just talkin up in mih ass eh.
Prob the law stated Pitbulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds and Dobermans as the dangerous ones and the loophole could be you having a MIXED breed dog.
Again, I jus saying.

umm a pitbull is a pot hound. So in mixing breeds i can cross a bull mastiff and boxer that'll look like a pit on steroids but it won't have a bull dog mixed or any terrier..thus not a pit but still a potentially dangerous dog unless trained accordingly. The dangerous dog act is HIGHLY flawed.

[Captainzaak]

the flaw is prob with regards to the breed of dog. I don't know so I just talkin up in mih ass eh.
Prob the law stated Pitbulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds and Dobermans as the dangerous ones and the loophole could be you having a MIXED breed dog.
Again, I jus saying.

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They specified breeds of dogs in the legislation.

IMO i think the law should have something in place where it's mandatory that all dogs receive proper obedience and aggression training, and properties are well fenced.

If you look at it 99% of attacks happen in the road, where the dogs should not be without a leash or a muzzle (if they are aggressive).

[Chimera]

IMO i think the law should have something in place where it's mandatory that all dogs receive proper obedience and aggression training, and properties are well fenced.

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I think that will lead to a massive amount of people dumping their dogs in canefields/at the side of roads or wherever

men with pothounds not going to send them for obedience training

might be easy to just make the owners criminally liable as well as financially liable so they take it upon themselves to secure their dogs/make sure they get the right training


yuh dog bite meh child? pay the medical bills plus spend a 3 months in jail

yuh dog kill somebody? pay the family for loss of earnings for that person's lifetime as well as spend a 5-10 years in jail


but then again u jus hadda simply claim the dog isn't yours if it attack someone.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

regardless of breed.

don't see what is the big science in worrying about breed - all dog have teeth and any dog can have a bad temper.

yuh want bad dog? then take responsibility for it.
is not a fashion show

[nivek]

these careless dog owners going to make everyone have to pay for their actions or lack thereof....cuz i have 4 rotts and i honestly in no position to pay insurance for them if they class it as a dangerous dog....place is well fenced and they very aggressive inside but if they do get out they are real mooks outside.......

[Chimera]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

what if a bandit cut a hole in yuh fence and come in your yard...and then the dogs attack him...and chase him tru the same hole that he cut and maul him to death in the road?

[turbosingh]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

regardless of breed.

don't see what is the big science in worrying about breed - all dog have teeth and any dog can have a bad temper.

yuh want bad dog? then take responsibility for it.
is not a fashion show

Can't put it any better......

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

what if a bandit cut a hole in yuh fence and come in your yard...and then the dogs attack him...and chase him tru the same hole that he cut and maul him to death in the road?

if yuh shoot a bandit while he running away, what happens? You get charged.

all them big bad dog and all you have is chainlink fence around your property?

in any case if the man was in your yard before then the first violation was his.
your problem after that is ensuring your dogs don't attack anyone else, which is no different than any other day, like when you forget your gate open etc.

[toybago]

The way i see it this, and previous governments just looking for PR.....just want to jump out with laws etc that look good on the front page and on tv. First of all it should be made law that ALL and i mean ALL dogs be registered and tagged so there is no doubt of ownership.

So a dog on the streets with no tags.....kill it....a dog attack/kill someone fine and/or jail the owner then deal with the dog

[Chimera]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

what if a bandit cut a hole in yuh fence and come in your yard...and then the dogs attack him...and chase him tru the same hole that he cut and maul him to death in the road?

if yuh shoot a bandit while he running away, what happens? You get charged.

all them big bad dog and all you have is chainlink fence around your property?

in any case if the man was in your yard before then the first violation was his.
your problem after that is ensuring your dogs don't attack anyone else, which is no different than any other day, like when you forget your gate open etc.

who say anything about big bad dog, i talking about regular pothound runnin yuh down and ripping out yuh throat

[Chimera]

wasn't there a story recently where someone pitbull jump a wall and kill a bandit after they attack the pitbull owner in the yard (in trinidad)

wha did happen to the pitbull/owner in that case?

[toyolink]

I have not read the proposed law but i do believe that laws must be in-sync with the society's values/expectations and this is where problems arise in terms of implementation.
Ours is a place where dogs have been embedded in our way of life with a very relaxed/loose relationship between our people and these animals.
Look at the examples-strays like that,dead dogs roting on the roads,zaak and his people trying to clean-up other peoples mess,garbage days is feeding time,every morning you have to be side stepping crap all over the road........etc,etc,etc.
Laws will only have meaningful traction if the general society/country is at a place in our development where we are all (including the state machinery ) ready .
Who the hell will be responsible for attacks by strays?
What dog is more dangerous than a pack with a female in heat?
Why limit the list of breeds?
We don't take care of women and children who are subjected to murder and abuse at the hands of so called loved ones yet it is being suggested we ready to handle dogs.
In some ways our society operates with a pack mentality;
-dogs attack people=kill the dogs , castrate the owner AND PROCLAIM THE LAW.
-place flooding in the rainy season=fire the gov't and hang the neighbour and the developers who
block the drain.
-produce destroyed by HDC=stop building houses,fire somebody,picket and cuss
and the list goes on.
What is common is short term real aggressive behaviour and desire for blood followed by everybody going quiet until next cause for a pack attack.
WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO CALDER HART AND WHO CALLING FOR ANYTHING?

[Kongorealm]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

regardless of breed.

don't see what is the big science in worrying about breed - all dog have teeth and any dog can have a bad temper.

yuh want bad dog? then take responsibility for it.
is not a fashion show

In total agreement with this statement!
Owners are to be held liable for any animals in they care.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

^ I find they should do the same for children committing crimes - charge the parent too!
under 18 is a child and the parent is responsible too.

watch how straight dem children will get when their parents know they too can be held accountable.

wasn't there a story recently where someone pitbull jump a wall and kill a bandit after they attack the pitbull owner in the yard (in trinidad)

wha did happen to the pitbull/owner in that case?

they got rid of the dog and bought Security Cameras and Supplies! Best Prices

360-3996

[Chimera]

that was a non-paid advertisement ^^^

[16 cycles]

there used to be a registration system for dogs many years ago - before independence???

wondering if a high concentration of dangerous dogs in the area you live will be grounds to be granted a FUL???

[Greypatch]

Anyone have a copy of the bill that was passed in 2000 ?

[toybago]

Well put toyolink, it all comes down to "all show, no go" and a set ah glamour/media hype. See if they wont go visiting the poor woman's family bearing gifts(trailing media of course), then do nothing to actually effect change, then go silent till the next big news headline jump out

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

reactive

[redmanjp]

WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO CALDER HART AND WHO CALLING FOR ANYTHING?

calder who? trinis have ah 10 day memory oui

[matthewmazda]

Owners are to be held liable for any animals in they care for real

[Bizzare]

if yuh dog bite somebody outside of your property then the owner should be fined heavily - $20K or more to the state plus pay all medical expenses for the victim.

Dog kills someone outside of your property then the owner faces involuntary manslaughter charge.

what if a bandit cut a hole in yuh fence and come in your yard...and then the dogs attack him...and chase him tru the same hole that he cut and maul him to death in the road?

So iz every proposed law go have flaws in dem so......

[Wizard]

i believe the major issue slowing it down were dogs used as security like aba trading said

although domesticated all dogs are dangerous

if a pack of stray dogs were to kill a child in the street will we hold a goverment minister responsible for the death

[neoise]

My dogs are my pets...... the big louts will quicker lick a bandit to death than anything else - however I have seen some people harass them by throwing stones etc at them. Now any time these idiots pass the canines go crazy. My place is properly well fenced and there is no way for them to escape however say for instance a vehicle crashes into my wall at the same time these people are in the area and the dogs get loose ........ why should I be held responsible for these muffler bearings Karma?

[toyolink]

Now heard on the news that 2 pitbulls attacked someone in Diego yesterday and the police responded killing both animals.
These stupid dogs don't seem to realise all eyes on them now and is really bad P.R. at this time.Everybody need to go to their kennels and behave.
Owners who themselves at this time don't exercise control of their animals must be hard headed.
I trying my best to do all the right things for years and some jokers causing hurt to all concerned.