This anti-gang bill that is being debated in the house

[zoom rader]

Swami, did not have to read the bill. Saw on Paliment TV live

[Strauss]

yes, more or less. i actually have only now heard about it. i am not against the PP, just this bill, that allows for so much abuse of the normel citizen that it seems like manning in control of the gov't again.

I suggest you get a copy of the bill and open your eyes to the amount of foolishness contained within it. Your gov't wrote it so it should not be hard for you to get a copy

Thats why there is an Opposition to balance things.

[Sky]

Allyuh is tears yes. Atleast when the pnm do crap the supporters used to hush dey mouth.

[janfar]

http://www.ttparliament.org/legislations/b2010h13.pdf

Its nice and brutal but that one section 10(3) a little too open... gives corrupt police the opportunity to do as they please...

(3) A police officer may enter and search any place
or premises not used as a dwelling house without a
warrant if he has reasonable cause to believe that a
gang member may be found in such place or premises.



It may sound harsh but for the most part its what we need to deal with the situation at hand... harsh penalties...

[buzz]

Allyuh is tears yes. Atleast when the pnm do crap the supporters used to hush dey mouth.

[zcarz]

Allyuh is tears yes. Atleast when the pnm do crap the supporters used to hush dey mouth.

that's the difference between a pnm supporter and a pp supporter. actually no eh... i gone back to my anti-pnm stance cuz it more fun that way... lemme think.. oh yea.. remember when manning was tellin the sia to go and spy on everybody?? eh... eh??

[Sky]

and yuh aint hear this pee ennem lady- what about second chances and that everyone deserves a second chance.

Steuuuuuuuuuuups, tuh hell with she and she sh1t oui.
Yuh is ah gang member, yuh murdered someone or raped someone in the name of what? Second chance? rehalibitation??? LIFE imprisonment, or the death penalty! forget any pardon or anything!

Ah just want allyuh sheep to take note. ^^ This man is the biggest UNC supporter on the forums, alongside UML. Notice the content of his post? He carry on about some pnm lady lol. Why? Because he have sense, and he know PP make a mistake there, so he aint touchin it with a 32 1/2 foot pole And he will not defend their crap. UML aint even show up.
Allyuh learn from the masters nah.

[SiR8081]

what crap the gov't doing? most of you who hear talking any of you listen to what the gov't and the opposition had to say during the debate? i listened to volney, ramadhar, ramlogan, imbert, cox and jeffrey.

imbert wanted the legislation to be crystal clear, no room for interpretation. i agree with him. the gov't has not opposed this. the crux of the debate for the gov't was that they do not want to change the penalty for being in a gang. they listened to what imbert had to say. anil roberts who forever disrupts the debate like a gangmember himself asked for imbert's time to be exteneded and it was. he had to say that when the member for diego martin NE is in such a mood that he edifies all of those around him and he wished to hear more of what that member had to say. i hope he continues along that part rather than acting like a hoodlum. jeffrey said they not opposed to the bill, just the "nitty gritty" in the bill. they understood that there were mitigating factors of young men joining gangs and wanted plea bargaining as part of legislation. the gov't agreed this would be part.

volney said that a police officer under the current bill found guilty of abuse of his powers wrt this bill would be fined 300k and he would have to pay that, not the state. and when a person is held, they would go before a tribunal where they would be given a chance to prove their innocence and if they are found to be a gang member would go before the courts and be refused bail for 120 days. if they were innocent, they would be released within 72hrs. normally police can arrest and hold you for 48hrs. so note that under the current bill, once the police pick you up and say you are a gang member, you do not go straight to the court. you have a chance to refute the allegations and prove your innocence.

the legislation is good, it needs work and i am sure that the opposition can help the gov't craft an excellent piece of legislation so that all in the house of representatives may vote FOR the bill. i think at this point in time the legislation is a bit rushed but with what is going on in trinidad today, time is of the essence as people are falling like flies.

the part with no protection for the parents will be changed most likely. it is only a bill. it goes to parliament for debate for amendments to be made and they will be made.

you all doing like if is law already. you all arguing just for arguing sakes. you feels it goes from paper to law in one day or what? stay quiet and relax yourself. the gov't and opposition working as a team for now and they making leaps and bounds.

[janfar]

Buts thats the same with RASC et al... when their threads backfire they mumford themselves from the forums for days... its usual of a diehard... sheep as u called it.

Most other ppl have opinions... why must they be quiet when they see situations arise???

[RASC]

Buts thats the same with RASC et al... when their threads backfire they mumford themselves from the forums for days... its usual of a diehard... sheep as u called it.

Most other ppl have opinions... why must they be quiet when they see situations arise???

Listen clown, when you don't see me for days, it's because I am doing things, people and life.

You think my life revolves around trying to explain things to you? Pfft

[RASC]

and yuh aint hear this pee ennem lady- what about second chances and that everyone deserves a second chance.

Steuuuuuuuuuuups, tuh hell with she and she sh1t oui.
Yuh is ah gang member, yuh murdered someone or raped someone in the name of what? Second chance? rehalibitation??? LIFE imprisonment, or the death penalty! forget any pardon or anything!

Ah just want allyuh sheep to take note. ^^ This man is the biggest UNC supporter on the forums, alongside UML. Notice the content of his post? He carry on about some pnm lady lol. Why? Because he have sense, and he know PP make a mistake there, so he aint touchin it with a 32 1/2 foot pole And he will not defend their crap. UML aint even show up.
Allyuh learn from the masters nah.

Aaron 2NR
Evo-Sti-K
UML

et al

Quiet...all missing. They know this is foolishness...The bill needs to be reformed extensively.

[janfar]

Yeh yeh yeh... we all know who u die hards are...

Did u read what SiR8081 post???

[AbstractPoetic]

EXACTLY the point.

The bill is too loose in defining, who is a gang leader, what is a gang, and the associated penalties too light. For goodness sakes it leaves it up to the discretion of an officer whether or not they can raid YOUR property WITHOUT a warrant?

And you guys cool with that?

WTF

Thank goodness you won't be a part of the legal fraternity anytime soon. You don't quite know how to read and comprehend:

Ramlogan said this country has 110 criminal gangs, up from 66 gangs reported in 2005 by former minister of national security, Martin Joseph.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,131783.html

So there is some semblance in the definition of gang.


Furthermore:

(3) A police officer may enter and search any place
or premises not used as a dwelling house without a
warrant if he has reasonable cause to believe that a
gang member may be found in such place or premises.

Owned property need not apply here. Galvanized "homes" and other dwelling places used for squatters does apply in this instance. Interestingly enough, I do not think this bill will help solve crime. It targets the pawns of these gangs; not their leaders.

[Premera]

RASC.......thanks for all the criticising of the " bill "

Care to draft a bill yourself and let us proof read ?

Or are you gonna continue to be in the opposition for the next 5 years ????

If you not adding value......yuh wasting we time bro ?

[16 cycles]

True story: I was working and an employee attacked me. I was working on a car under the dash and installing an alarm. I had a soldering iron plugged in and ready to do good work. He come and take it. Now he have a habit of using it and resting it on the ground next to the car, so I tell him plug it in when he finish, because I'll have to wait until it heats up to use it again. He jump up and ask what that supposed to mean. I say It mean what I say, I wasting time waiting for it to heat up. And that was with no attitude. I was hooking up wires and thats where my head was. He ask if I on he and rock a slap on me. Now I take it because:
1. I'm under a dash and he's standing above me between my legs
2. He bigger than me and I ain't dumb
When a meeting was called about it and they asked me what I wanted done, I said suspension for the most. They told me they're short on ppl and i say forget it. Later I hear the man was toting feelings because I working on the side and making more money than him.
HE IS NOW A POLICE OFFICER!. That ignoramus now has a gun and the right to issue tickets.

Now imagine bouncing that up on the road and trying to rightfully and honestly defend yourself.
Now imagine this officer has your address and can pass by you later and do what they want, plant what they want, beat who they want, rape who they want.
Your best choice is to shutup and let Mr. officer wrongfully make up his ticket quota for the day.

if you made a report on the incident, it would have disqualified the person from becoming an officer???

[Bezman]

Buts thats the same with RASC et al... when their threads backfire they mumford themselves from the forums for days... its usual of a diehard... sheep as u called it.

Most other ppl have opinions... why must they be quiet when they see situations arise???

Listen clown, when you don't see me for days, it's because I am doing things, people and life.

You think my life revolves around trying to explain things to you? Pfft

liar liar pants on fire

[Bezman]

EXACTLY the point.

The bill is too loose in defining, who is a gang leader, what is a gang, and the associated penalties too light. For goodness sakes it leaves it up to the discretion of an officer whether or not they can raid YOUR property WITHOUT a warrant?

And you guys cool with that?

WTF

Thank goodness you won't be a part of the legal fraternity anytime soon. You don't quite know how to read and comprehend:

Ramlogan said this country has 110 criminal gangs, up from 66 gangs reported in 2005 by former minister of national security, Martin Joseph.

http://www.newsday.co.tt/news/0,131783.html

So there is some semblance in the definition of gang.


Furthermore:

(3) A police officer may enter and search any place
or premises not used as a dwelling house without a
warrant if he has reasonable cause to believe that a
gang member may be found in such place or premises.

Owned property need not apply here. Galvanized "homes" and other dwelling places used for squatters does apply in this instance. Interestingly enough, I do not think this bill will help solve crime. It targets the pawns of these gangs; not their leaders.

[RASC]

Buts thats the same with RASC et al... when their threads backfire they mumford themselves from the forums for days... its usual of a diehard... sheep as u called it.

Most other ppl have opinions... why must they be quiet when they see situations arise???

Listen clown, when you don't see me for days, it's because I am doing things, people and life.

You think my life revolves around trying to explain things to you? Pfft

liar liar pants on fire

Ok ah lie...

Puja, and Laundering money...ah mean really-what else does a SWAMI do with his time

[Bezman]

RASC/HUTRINI
your timing for throwing a red herring is impecable...
just like ya boy mannings

[SiR8081]

Quiet...all missing. They know this is foolishness...The bill needs to be reformed extensively.

isnt that why the bill like every other bill in this nation goes before parliament for debate? to see how it can be improved? then when the bill and its clauses are reformed to a satisfactory level doesnt it come back for debate? the house them goes thru each clause, modifying as they see fit then voting on each clause? then when they pass the entire bill through the house of representatives, doesnt it go to the senate where it has to pass there much in the same way and it is sent back to the lower house with amendments where the amendments have to be voted for again? then when the bill and its amendments by the senate are approved by parliament does it not go to the president for assent where if assent is given it become law?

why you griping for? is it that you are ignorant of the process whereby a bill become law?

[Shango_13]

Zero tollerance, one you look like is a gunta. is 1jail

[SiR8081]

^^^ what about about blond injuns



where all the dissidents???

[RASC]

Quiet...all missing. They know this is foolishness...The bill needs to be reformed extensively.

isnt that why the bill like every other bill in this nation goes before parliament for debate? to see how it can be improved? then when the bill and its clauses are reformed to a satisfactory level doesnt it come back for debate? the house them goes thru each clause, modifying as they see fit then voting on each clause? then when they pass the entire bill through the house of representatives, doesnt it go to the senate where it has to pass there much in the same way and it is sent back to the lower house with amendments where the amendments have to be voted for again? then when the bill and its amendments by the senate are approved by parliament does it not go to the president for assent where if assent is given it become law?

why you griping for? is it that you are ignorant of the process whereby a bill become law?

I know exactly how it becomes law, I still don't get why you are throwing a "hissy-fit"with me voicing my opinion.

So I must sit and say "opps ...hold up, it's still being debated-let me cancel my opinions until the final version is ready-no sense having one now... *fiddle thumbs, waits patiently*"

I'm allowed to share my thoughts just like everyone else, just up until the final day

[evo-STI-k]

Allyuh is tears yes. Atleast when the pnm do crap the supporters used to hush dey mouth.

Nope thats just cause they are all To faking Stupid to have a good comeback!

[Bezman]

Quiet...all missing. They know this is foolishness...The bill needs to be reformed extensively.

isnt that why the bill like every other bill in this nation goes before parliament for debate? to see how it can be improved? then when the bill and its clauses are reformed to a satisfactory level doesnt it come back for debate? the house them goes thru each clause, modifying as they see fit then voting on each clause? then when they pass the entire bill through the house of representatives, doesnt it go to the senate where it has to pass there much in the same way and it is sent back to the lower house with amendments where the amendments have to be voted for again? then when the bill and its amendments by the senate are approved by parliament does it not go to the president for assent where if assent is given it become law?

why you griping for? is it that you are ignorant of the process whereby a bill become law?

I know exactly how it becomes law, I still don't get why you are throwing a "hissy-fit"with me voicing my opinion.

So I must sit and say "opps ...hold up, it's still being debated-let me cancel my opinions until the final version is ready-no sense having one now... *fiddle thumbs, waits patiently*"

I'm allowed to share my thoughts just like everyone else, just up until the final day

@ throwing hissy fit..

pot calling kettle black...

[sMASH]

all dem hadda do is put some coke in meh house when they raid it an say me eh dwellin dere but running tings from dere. we kinda people doh really get fair treatment from police.

but the ting is, in court u go hadda fight them that it was a dwelling house. but they done violate meh privacy, and i don't want them doing that in the first place. come via warrent, not via police hunch.

u know how bandit dressin up in fatigues now and rollin in police vehicle, why should let any one juss so in my premises? especially at night, i could say they did not produce identification, past their uniforms which could be false and their conduct was strange and not professional.

if they leave dat juss so, i better move up in the bush, where one's premises could be defended more discretely.