Stand Your Ground Legislation

[paid_influencer]

i dark skinned indian, ppl going to call me "a shadowy figure" too

[Chimera]

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/intruder-confesses-to-home-invasion-after-being-shot-by-homeowner-6.2.2323142.6f4d8b9d16#google_vignette

Intruder confesses to home invasion after being shot by homeowner

Example of how SYG / FuL used properly...

gunshot for picking mango isn't a firearm 'used properly' tho

bullet for all bandit

[alfa]

Paid seems to be off his meds again

[The_Honourable]

could be zabouca, doesn't matter. home owner doesn't have a right to kill somebody unless his life is threatened

"he saw the intruder climbing over a barrier and moving closer to the entrance. The suspect had his face partially covered"

You would not feel threatened?

A shadowy figure moving near his bedroom, jumped a barrier to get closer and was wearing a face mask.

a shadowy figure? that mean what, he african?

this is the home owner trying to pull a story for shooting and nearly killing the man

OR... the home owner telling the truth where you introducing details that not in the article?

Shadowy figure is racist now?

[Chimera]

nah he suppose to wait til the intruder in his home and hit him a cuff or chop or fight him for his gun before he shoot he mc

once yuh IN d yard...bullet for yuh mc

doh even come to retrieve a kite that fly in d yard

call by the gate and ask.

[paid_influencer]

honorable, hymc. You deceitful and don't post in good faith. I not going to engage with you.

ppl who want to discuss SYG with me, check the articles on where it was implemented before. Use chatGPT or gemini or whatever, go do your research on this crap they bringing here

[paid_influencer]

once yuh IN d yard...bullet for yuh mc

just FYI, this will get you in jail

[The_Honourable]

Paid seems to be off his meds again

This... i does ask him simple questions and is pantyman behavior for a big old man

Case in point...

honorable, hymc. You deceitful and don't post in good faith. I not going to engage with you.

[paid_influencer]

hymc, honorable. From the start you have your dishonest agenda and trying to hide it with pretending to be genuine in debate. You are a waste of time and I fell for it long enough. HYMC. I done with you

[paid_influencer]

honorable, if you want to be genuine, and debate in good faith

answer this:

ppl who want to discuss SYG with me, check the articles on where it was implemented before. Use chatGPT or gemini or whatever, go do your research on this crap they bringing here

[MaxPower]

nah he suppose to wait til the intruder in his home and hit him a cuff or chop or fight him for his gun before he shoot he mc

once yuh IN d yard...bullet for yuh mc

doh even come to retrieve a kite that fly in d yard

call by the gate and ask.

X3000.

The time the home owner has to take to assess and wait to determine if to act is more time for the pest.

Yuh cannot wait for someone to pull a gun out, and THEN act….they will already have the upper hand unless you could draw faster than them western style. Why?

Stay OUT of people’s property, simple.

[16 cycles]

...did not read article, just drop a comment based on a narrative and demands good faith discourse and research from others....good trolling...

[MaxPower]

yea but if every trini start using gun shot and death to punish every 'crime'

we going to be even a worse chithole.

trinis culturally is a set of dotish clown jackarses with no self control and no respect for life. this going to end horribly and be the ultimate self-own as a country

X3000

Men WILL jackass it.

[paid_influencer]

...did not read article, just drop a comment based on a narrative and demands good faith discourse and research from others....good trolling...

I read the article.

You should do your research. Did you do any research? You're advocating something that will be very bad and you owe it to yourself to do the research. Do the research you forking idiots.

I've done enough with honorable to know his style. His "simple questions" ignore my responses and common sense. He intentionally leaves out my points and continues with more bad-faith questions playing not to understand. Playing stupid is his style and I'm done with it.

[The_Honourable]

...did not read article, just drop a comment based on a narrative and demands good faith discourse and research from others....good trolling...

I read the article.

You should do your research. Did you do any research? You're advocating something that will be very bad and you owe it to yourself to do the research. Do the research you forking idiots.

I've done enough with honorable to know his style. His "simple questions" ignore my responses and common sense. He intentionally leaves out my points and continues with more bad-faith questions playing not to understand. Playing stupid is his style and I'm done with it.

Paid... calm down on the pantyman behavior. You too old for that, next thing my simple questions blow your pacemaker.

The problem you are having is the answer to my questions weakens your argument, so you lash out instead.

As for SYG legislation I do support it as it reduces barriers to self defense, but I do not support unjust application as not every situation deserves lethal force. That's why I stated earlier that public consultations are a good thing as the legislation needs to be fined tuned to address this. While we can compare to Florida and their SYG laws, keep in mind that Florida and the US as a whole have liberal use of firearms with regulations differing according to each state. Gun violence will be higher as guns circulating in the US like sweetie to the point of culture which we don't have here. While I agree with FUL reform, if we become too liberal in the distribution of FUL's, we will see an increase in jackassry. So far, FUL holders corning some bandits out there.

If I am a FUL holder, and there is an intruder climbing over my barrier and moving closer to the house entrance with his face partially covered, you bet your ass i'm drawing my gun. If the intruder has a weapon, is corn.

If you don't like that, well boo.

[16 cycles]

...did not read article, just drop a comment based on a narrative and demands good faith discourse and research from others....good trolling...

I read the article.

This is a lie.

http://www.guardian.co.tt/news/intruder-confesses-to-home-invasion-after-being-shot-by-homeowner-6.2.2323142.6f4d8b9d16#google_vignette

Intruder confesses to home invasion after being shot by homeowner

Example of how SYG / FuL used properly...

gunshot for picking mango isn't a firearm 'used properly' tho

^this is how we know you're lying

[88sins]

could be zabouca, doesn't matter. home owner doesn't have a right to kill somebody unless his life is threatened

Son, do you have any idea of exactly how quickly and without warning a simple trespassing with the intent to steal can turn into an attack with intent to kill or do serious bodily harm on a homeowner or resident of a premises?

Get serious bro

I understand that you have an issue with the possibility of the entire population potentially having the need, desire, willingness, and weaponry to kill literally anyone who offends them anywhere.


But I advise you, temper your reservations with the understanding that people who leave people and their property alone have little need to worry about those persons wanting to harm them, and if on the off chance they do, said person who doesn't bother people will have the same right, (and hopefully the tools and the ability aos well) to defend themselves, with deadly force if it must come to that.

[The_Honourable]

"Know Yuh Turf" – The "Hero" Clause.

In this series, I will be breaking down the Stand Your Ground bill or known as the Home Invasion (Self-Defence and Defence of Property) Bill, 2025. Today I explained Section 9; the part that protects you if you step in to defend your family, neighbours, or loved ones during a home invasion. This is about community defence, clarity in the law, and restoring a sense of security in our homes.

The consultations on this Bill are happening now across the country. Don’t stay silent show up, speak out, and shape the law.

People-centred governance only works when you get involved.

- Kiel Taklalsingh

https://www.facebook.com/10009296838446 ... 9522091053

[j.o.e]

Some of dem old boys at consultations sounding like crazed trigger happy loonies. Coming up with the wildest scenarios and questions about how soon they could shoot. Stay away from dem retireees

[The_Honourable]

Kiel Taklalsingh answers questions about SYG

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[MaxPower]

“You must honestly believe….”



Well yes fada look trouble.

[pugboy]

and hope the judge also honestly believe

“You must honestly believe….”



Well yes fada look trouble.

[j.o.e]

Too much time spent on SYG legislation and not enough on FUL system reform. In my opinion

[timelapse]

could be zabouca, doesn't matter. home owner doesn't have a right to kill somebody unless his life is threatened

You going to ask if they threatening you?
You is Cornholio?

[pugboy]

same effort should be made on stolen cars
make it nonbailable
every single serious crime is committed with a stolen car

Too much time spent on SYG legislation and not enough on FUL system reform. In my opinion

[alfa]

You could have syg laws on your side but a 3 CXC investigating officer can still charge you, and just like with unjust traffic tickets you'll have to contest it in court.

We need carry insurance in Trinidad which in the US pays your legal fees up to the supreme court if you ever pull the trigger

[redmanjp]

same effort should be made on stolen cars
make it nonbailable
every single serious crime is committed with a stolen car

Too much time spent on SYG legislation and not enough on FUL system reform. In my opinion

how we doin dat when privy council say not even murder is non bailable?

[pugboy]

next best thing is gps tracking device
any young bandit wearing a gps will be ostracized amongst his former criminal padnas
they won’t want him near them

assuming there is a functioning intelligence unit in charge of tracking them

same effort should be made on stolen cars
make it nonbailable
every single serious crime is committed with a stolen car

Too much time spent on SYG legislation and not enough on FUL system reform. In my opinion

how we doin dat when privy council say not even murder is non bailable?

[redmanjp]

You could have syg laws on your side but a 3 CXC investigating officer can still charge you, and just like with unjust traffic tickets you'll have to contest it in court.

We need carry insurance in Trinidad which in the US pays your legal fees up to the supreme court if you ever pull the trigger

i would imagine for a serious charge like murder/manslaughter a senior officer would be consulted, or even the DPP

that aint traffic court where is a lil fine you getting - is jail u could face, though the court itself would have the sense to rule in your favour most times under the SYG law.

[The_Honourable]

JTUM, NATUC back stand-your-ground proposal

The Joint Trade Union Movement (JTUM) and the National Trade Union Centre (NATUC) have expressed their full support for the Government’s proposed stand-your-ground legislation.

But JTUM is stressing that for the law to be effective, citizens must have easier and affordable access to legal firearms.

At a consultation with the umbrella union bodies and Government ministers yesterday in Port-of-Spain, JTUM President Ancel Roget said, “Let me say openly, I support 100 per cent this bill in its entirety, because they (criminals) know no bounds, they care nothing about who is who.”

However, he added, “But to be able to make this make sense and make it a reality, we have to correct the imbalance. And I think that what people would want to know is a quick process to correct the imbalance. And therefore, the process towards achieving firearms must be speeded up. And people must be assured that this is going to take place. And once that is in place, we are on the road to progress here.”

A call for easier access to firearms was a common one from the trade unionists. However, Homeland Security Minister Roger Alexander advised that the law does not mandate that only a gun can be used for protection. He also cautioned that the firearms cannot just be given without due process and consideration for the person’s mental capabilities.

“Men with domestic violence situations, I often say, please do not apply until you have resolved your situation. You hear what I say? Those who have mental issues, I suggest you don’t apply until you would have dealt with that situation,” Alexander said.

Meanwhile, Roget sought to dismiss what he called fearmongering by the People’s National Movement, that legal firearms would be used to kill people of a particular race.

“So, you see this question about people looking like me, that is putting race into the element of me saving my life and the life of my family. That has no consideration as far as I’m concerned. I want the right to use deadly force to ensure that I live after a home invasion has taken place. Or that the criminal will know that everybody else has a right and that itself will present a type of deterrent coming into people’s homes.”

Roget also had a message to attorneys who would seek to represent the alleged criminals in these instances.

“And to those lawyers, to those lawyers who defend the criminals who come into your home, we also want to send a message to them that the criminals have no right having invaded my home,” he added.

However, there was a concern expressed by Clifton Simpson, the first deputy president general of the National Union of Government and Federated Workers (NUGFW). Simpson said people may be overzealous in using the law as a shield and may attack trade unionists who are protesting near their property.

“We have been known to go by people’s homes and protest. And did the legislators anticipate that such an event may take place to protect trade unionists doing legitimate trade union work in or around property at different times? And I am not only talking about homeowners. Because sometimes they hire people purportedly to be security experts who are a bit eager to please,” Simpson said.

However, he was advised by Roget to simply stay out of the person’s property.

“The law gives you the right, as trade unionists, the right of picketing and the right of picketing has nothing to do with invading anyone’s property, right?”

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/jtum-na ... fc33d7e62f