Ukraine Russia War

[The_Honourable]

Three years ago, when Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, many experts called it a strategic miscalculation. Three years after the fighting began, those assumptions are being proven wrong. Putin has displayed strategic patience to outlast the US-led NATO alliance.

[sMASH]

Three years ago, when Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, many experts called it a strategic miscalculation. Three years after the fighting began, those assumptions are being proven wrong. Putin has displayed strategic patience to outlast the US-led NATO alliance.

Listening to western leaders over the last two decade, most of the politicians didn't get to their positions by solving problems and accomplishing development.
Most of them kissed the right asses and did enough favours(bed room ting) to get their rungs up the ladders.

They don't know how to assess situations realistically . They know which big man like what, and the direction the money men want to go.

So when they make pronouncements, it's a pack off ass cause is only what the lobbyists view point.

They would never see the economic social industrial, military landscapes and make a proper projection . They will see it only according to the convention of the lobbyists.


That why they get things wrong... And they dint know how systems work, so can't get it to work to compete .


The way Russia had to streamline to tackle Ukraine, it's on an industrial and economic boom as if it just found new oil fields,... They are on the up .
If they fall for western traps and entangle them selves to lose their profit margins , they will loose their advantage and the west will crush them.
They hadda keep being wise and not fall into the politics way of running a country

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

Trump‘s nominee to serve as the deputy secretary of defense declined to clearly acknowledge that Russia invaded Ukraine during his Senate confirmation

[sMASH]

Russia invaded Ukraine .
... It s'more complicated thsn that, but u don't need to lie to sanctify ur side in the conflict.
Just state the facts .

[Dizzy28]

Russia has so far lost (Open Source verified) -
3773 Main Battle Tanks
1933 Armoured Fighting Vehicles
5531 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
625 Engineering Vehicles
298 Command and Communications Stations
130 Artillery Support Vehicles
454 Towed Artillery
890 Self Propelled Artillery
465 MLRS
300 SAM systems
136 Aircraft
151 Helis
28 Ships
3873 Trucks and Jeeps
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/a ... pment.html

On top of this they have maxed out at almost 700,000 deployed soldiers and have taken somewhere in the region of 167 - 234 thousand deaths (verified)
https://understandingwar.org/background ... ak-ukraine
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkm7lly61do

Putin was no genius with a long game. He just happens to lead a country accustomed to throwing men and equipment at their military problems

OFC Ukraine's numbers would also be ugly but no where near the occupier's

[sMASH]

^^ that seems to indicate Russia is sheit.
Given that Russia is sheit, should Ukraine with teh backing of nato/eu continue to reclaim its territory inclusive of crimea via the military route ?

[timelapse]

Ukraine belonged to Russia.It got occupied by Germany and freed by the allies in WW2.It became independent in 1991. The Russians want to take it back and are the villain in this story.

The State of Israel belonged to Palestine .Post WW2 it became independent. Palestine wants to take it back and are NOT the villains.

Interesting flow of logic here.

[sMASH]

Ukraine was part of the ussr.
Ussr split apart . Urkraine didn't belong to Russia. One can argue that Russia was part of Ukraine... But that's too far in the past to be relevant now.

Russia doesn't want Ukraine.





Palestine was not independent . It was a British territory that was terrorized then occupied by zionists , then the zionists declared themselves a state and the un at the time decided to recognize the state of Isreal. The un at the time consisted of the European settler colonial powers, who wanted a zone to get rid of their Jewish populations.
Europe also wanted a reson to keep military in the oil rich middle east and keep it destabilized
A win/win for Europe.

Simple minded conclusions

[timelapse]

Ukraine was part of the ussr.
Ussr split apart . Urkraine didn't belong to Russia. One can argue that Russia was part of Ukraine... But that's too far in the past to be relevant now.

Russia doesn't want Ukraine.





Palestine was not independent . It was a British territory that was terrorized then occupied by zionists , then the zionists declared themselves a state and the un at the time decided to recognize the state of Isreal. The un at the time consisted of the European settler colonial powers, who wanted a zone to get rid of their Jewish populations.
Europe also wanted a reson to keep military in the oil rich middle east and keep it destabilized
A win/win for Europe.

Simple minded conclusions

I see that History means absolutely nothing to you.
Kyivan Rus was the first Eastern Slavic state which is now Ukraine.
Palestine was NOT independent? Oh wow. It was was a British territory?
So the British could have done with Palestine as they pleased at the time?
You need a calculator to add up your stories?

[sMASH]

Ukraine was part of the ussr.
Ussr split apart . Urkraine didn't belong to Russia. One can argue that Russia was part of Ukraine... But that's too far in the past to be relevant now.

Russia doesn't want Ukraine.





Palestine was not independent . It was a British territory that was terrorized then occupied by zionists , then the zionists declared themselves a state and the un at the time decided to recognize the state of Isreal. The un at the time consisted of the European settler colonial powers, who wanted a zone to get rid of their Jewish populations.
Europe also wanted a reson to keep military in the oil rich middle east and keep it destabilized
A win/win for Europe.

Simple minded conclusions

I see that History means absolutely nothing to you.
Kyivan Rus was the first Eastern Slavic state which is now Ukraine.
Palestine was NOT independent? Oh wow. It was was a British territory?
So the British could have done with Palestine as they pleased at the time?
You need a calculator to add up your stories?

When u read the Balfour declaration , the zionists exceeded what the British had intended. So much so the British declared some zionists groups are terrorists and stopped the zionist program as there was too much discord.


Anyone honestly commenting and reading up that history would know that... Just reading through the thread would enlighten up from simple minded conclusions

[Dizzy28]

That moment you realize the 1947 UN vote to partition the British Mandate of Palestine was voted on by both Ukraine and the USSR.

[sMASH]

That moment you realize the 1947 UN vote to partition the British Mandate of Palestine was voted on by both Ukraine and the USSR.

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So from small , those situations are NOT analogous ...

[timelapse]

That moment you realize the 1947 UN vote to partition the British Mandate of Palestine was voted on by both Ukraine and the USSR.%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A1_%D7%94%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%94_%D7%A2%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%98%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%94_%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%95_%D7%9D.jpg

What did most of the countries that said no have in common?

[sMASH]

That moment you realize the 1947 UN vote to partition the British Mandate of Palestine was voted on by both Ukraine and the USSR.%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A1_%D7%94%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%94_%D7%A2%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%98%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%97%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%94_%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%9C%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%95_%D7%9D.jpg

What did most of the countries that said no have in common?

Former colonies of Europeans...

[sMASH]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18Q5QkmqvK/


Russia planning longggg in advance to invade Ukraine

[DMan7]

[Dizzy28]

The transactionalism of Trump Vance will fail them in international relations pretty soon

[pugboy]

the globe watching these clowns who think they own the world

[shaneelal]

Not good.

Zelensky told to leave White House after heated exchange

We can now bring you more detail about the moments just after Zelensky and Trump's tense meeting in the Oval Office.

According to our US partner CBS, the Ukrainian delegation left the Oval Office to a "separated room".

There, National Security Adviser Mike Waltz and Secretary of State Marco Rubio told them to leave the White House.

As we reported earlier, a scheduled press conference with Zelensky and Trump was cancelled shortly after the Oval Office meeting. We also watched live as the Ukrainian president exited the White House into a waiting vehicle.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c625ex282zzt

[matr1x]

Zolenski is nothing more than a mooch.

[MaxPower]

Gosh…

They rel gang up on Zelensky and bully him up.

[hover11]

You're gambling with WW3-Donald J Trump


Biden didn't have the testicular fortitude to make that move

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[Duane 3NE 2NR]

You're gambling with WW3

Because Ukraine isn't giving Russia what they want?

[Dizzy28]

You're gambling with WW3-Donald J Trump


Biden didn't have the testicular fortitude to make that move

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Ukraine has everything necessary to quickly manufacture a nuclear weapon..... historical know how, nuclear fuel, engineers and technicians. They also have delivery systems capable of thousands of kms distance.

Trump and Vance will drive them to that and and even more quick approach to WW3.

Diplomacy requires tact sometimes

[paid_influencer]

yea just blow up the whole world

[hover11]

Lots of egos coming into play here and Trump holds the cards here .The USA should stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. Cut all support.

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[DMan7]

US needs to get their money back else they would cut off all relationship by now with Ukraine. The one who holds the most power here is the one who is always going to win and in this case it would be US and Russia. Don't matter how much support Ukraine has on twitter from average people they are going to lose.

[alfa]

Lots of egos coming into play here and Trump holds the cards here .The USA should stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. Cut all support.

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I want them to stop supplying Israel, let's see how tough they are

[paid_influencer]

[pugboy]

nope, jews run america

Lots of egos coming into play here and Trump holds the cards here .The USA should stop supplying weapons to Ukraine. Cut all support.

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I want them to stop supplying Israel, let's see how tough they are