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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby maj. tom » April 18th, 2024, 5:35 pm

In 2018 the number was 16 at SFGH NICU.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Chimera » April 18th, 2024, 5:48 pm

I wonder if the private hospital knew of the infection and didn't inform posgh to take proper care or what they were going to have to deal with

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby The_Honourable » April 18th, 2024, 5:50 pm

sMASH wrote:
pugboy wrote:what do you do when you discover nurses were handling babies without fresh gloves?

wing wrote:
The_Honourable wrote:Suspending the head of IPC may be a start but more heads have to roll. Especially if nicu deaths were long before brought to the attention of hospital administration and the necessary "committees" that managers and board members are usually a part off.
Is there any provision for criminal proceedings to be started against persons found liable and complicit? The parents will get some sort of compensation with && on the case, but negligent homicide like this needs draconian punishment.
Souzette lower had made a post about her twins and experience in Pos. I saw it on fb, not sure if it elsewhere.

She left the country.


The police brings manslaughter charges against persons but we know that not happening in this case.

I am aware that there was an attempt to bring manslaughter charges privately at the magistrate court against three doctors in swrha a decade or so ago with the botched c-section of crystal boodoo ramsoomair. That case was dropped while the civil case was settled.

It seems bringing private manslaughter charges is possible but never tested in our local courts to my knowledge.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Chimera » April 18th, 2024, 5:54 pm

You need to get doctors willing to testify that the doctor was negligent or made mistakes and you would never get that locally

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pugboy » April 18th, 2024, 5:58 pm

same with nurses

Chimera wrote:You need to get doctors willing to testify that the doctor was negligent or made mistakes and you would never get that locally

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby sMASH » April 18th, 2024, 6:09 pm

Honor among health care professionals. Cause they swing from private to public

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pugboy » April 18th, 2024, 7:50 pm

you hit the nail on the head

sMASH wrote:Honor among health care professionals. Cause they swing from private to public

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pjfred » April 18th, 2024, 9:42 pm

Hospital run out of bandages, paracetamol and even machines for testing down. Health care is a real joke here no wonder pm does fly out as he cough or sneeze

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Chimera » April 18th, 2024, 9:51 pm

pjfred wrote:Hospital run out of bandages, paracetamol and even machines for testing down. Health care is a real joke here no wonder pm does fly out as he cough or sneeze
We get what we pay for eh

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby bluefete » April 18th, 2024, 10:00 pm

Chimera wrote:I wonder if the private hospital knew of the infection and didn't inform posgh to take proper care or what they were going to have to deal with


This is exactly what I was thinking.

When St. Clair Medical sent the baby to the POSG hospital - did it send the baby's file as well which would have let the doctors know that he/she was infected?

Or did St. Clair Medical just take the parent's money and pushed the baby out when water was more than flour?

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby bluefete » April 18th, 2024, 10:02 pm

Head of Infections was suspended today.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Dizzy28 » April 18th, 2024, 10:24 pm

Chimera wrote:
pjfred wrote:Hospital run out of bandages, paracetamol and even machines for testing down. Health care is a real joke here no wonder pm does fly out as he cough or sneeze
We get what we pay for eh
6.6billion for health care for 1.4m ppl
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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pugboy » April 18th, 2024, 10:30 pm

the services not eqitable though
for example approx 30-40% babies bawn in public are venes who pay no taxes
I guess its a no brainer, take a boat and have yuh baby born in a proper hospital free of charge

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Habit7 » April 19th, 2024, 6:23 am

pugboy wrote:the services not eqitable though
for example approx 30-40% babies bawn in public are venes who pay no taxes
I guess its a no brainer, take a boat and have yuh baby born in a proper hospital free of charge

Unpopular opinion but this is a good thing.

Trini birth rate is falling making us have a smaller tax paying workforce and more dependent retirees requiring pension. Hence NIS might go bust soon.

Just like the US, immigrant births offset an ageing population and bring new potential tax payers.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby 16 cycles » April 19th, 2024, 6:31 am

the theory on a transfer from St. Clair to PoSGH has been confirmed?

could someone post the source please?

edit* found it -
https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/7-famil ... aa430aefc1

even if medical notes corroborate the transfer -

Ramlogan said the families have expressed grave concern about the integrity of the medical notes and records for the mothers and their babies. Despite requesting these documents multiple times, they have yet to receive them.

“They are troubled by the bureaucratic stonewalling and continuing failure and/or refusal to provide these critical documents. They are worried that the medical notes and records could be changed and altered to fabricate a defence or mitigate the negligent conduct of the medical staff at the PoSGH,” the letter stated.

“We appreciate and understand our client’s fears and anxieties on this issue because we are involved in medical negligence cases in which we have reason to believe that the medical notes and records were doctored and changed. In other cases, the entire file containing the patient’s medical notes and records mysteriously vanished. We therefore see these concerns as legitimate and reasonable and therefore urge you to disclose our client’s medical records,” the letter said.

The letter said that a baby who was “suffering from a serious viral infection was transferred from the St Clair Medical Centre to the NICU in circumstances where the risk of transmission and exposure to infection was reasonably foreseeable.”

It said that no attempt was made to properly isolate our clients’ babies to prevent infection....
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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » April 19th, 2024, 6:31 am

pjfred wrote:Hospital run out of bandages, paracetamol and even machines for testing down. Health care is a real joke here no wonder pm does fly out as he cough or sneeze


Keep calm....the pm say to have faith

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Chimera » April 19th, 2024, 10:01 am

they need to call up st clair name as much as they calling POS

why send a highly infectious child to a ward with multiple other children

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Les Bain » April 19th, 2024, 10:17 am

redmanjp wrote:^^ we might need a million dollar commission of enquiry that last over a year and then something might come out of it.


A report bound by a bored OJT. Because of the binding process, that OJT may be the only 'member of the public' to skim through that document before it is misfiled.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby MaxPower » April 19th, 2024, 10:23 am

The culture is to blame for all of this.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby matr1x » April 19th, 2024, 10:26 am

It's a combination of doctors stealing supplies for their private practice and the influx of venes over taxing the health care system.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pugboy » April 19th, 2024, 10:59 am

it’s a lot of diff issues

matr1x wrote:It's a combination of doctors stealing supplies for their private practice and the influx of venes over taxing the health care system.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby Habit7 » April 19th, 2024, 11:01 am

matr1x wrote:It's a combination of doctors stealing supplies for their private practice and the influx of venes over taxing the health care system.

Non nationals can only receive accident and emergency care and immunisation.

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby matr1x » April 19th, 2024, 11:25 am

Clearly you haven't been to any of the nations hospitals

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pugboy » April 19th, 2024, 11:49 am

you will be required to provide video evidence of this lol
matr1x wrote:Clearly you haven't been to any of the nations hospitals

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby redmanjp » April 19th, 2024, 8:32 pm

maybe they can get care but should pay

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby pugboy » April 19th, 2024, 8:53 pm

no such structure exists to facilitate that

redmanjp wrote:maybe they can get care but should pay

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby shake d livin wake d dead » April 19th, 2024, 9:37 pm

Chimera wrote:they need to call up st clair name as much as they calling POS

why send a highly infectious child to a ward with multiple other children


Still can't blame st.clair....posgh was supposed to isolate the child not mix with the rest

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby maj. tom » April 20th, 2024, 7:16 am

Nurse sues over death of baby girl at PoSGH; complains of 'hoggish' colleagues

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/nurse-sues-over-death-of-baby-girl-at-posgh-complains-of-hoggish-colleagues-6.2.1981082.d17d5e741b


A 42-year-old registered nurse who lost her baby at the Port-of-Spain Maternity Department’s Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) says the death of her child has dashed all hopes of her becoming a mother.

The nurse, who also works at the Port-of-Spain General Hospital, detailed what she called the “hoggish and unprofessional behaviour of some members of staff” even towards one of their own colleagues.

“Our client’s nightmarish experience at the PoSGH, has caused her to realise that there is merit and truth in the public’s account of the hoggish and unprofessional behaviour of some members of staff. There was no professional courtesy given to her as “one of their own” so she shudders to think what ordinary members of the public would have to endure. Instead, she experienced the raw and ugly reality of the incompetence and irresponsible, ignorant, and unprofessional attitude of the medical staff.”

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby 16 cycles » April 20th, 2024, 7:54 am

2 death certs is fishy to say the least.

Like or hate &&, hope he takes those responsible to task through the courts

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Re: 11 (edit) babies die from bacterial outbreak at PoS hospital

Postby matr1x » April 20th, 2024, 10:02 am

Lete be honest, minister of health don't care about anyone. Whatever happening to those parents, I hope he and his cohorts experience 10 times over

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