Gangs, Guns, and Governance in Trinidad and Tobago

[Dizzy28]

Tv6 say the bodies of the mass shooting have decomposed due to poor storage

Ah yes, We have $$$$ HuNDREDS of MILLIONS to Build a HEAD quarters for the Ministry of Health, BUT we cant have the budget to improve the Hospitals themselves to look after its citizens- tek that in yuuh pee-en-em a55e5!

Shouldn't one of the largest and most critical Ministries have its own HQ though?

[pugboy]

like only when uncle sam involved we could ketch somebody who not from the ghetto

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/us-tt-c ... 1de697edea

[Mmoney607]

They better lock up them people who perpetrate those two incidents of vigilante justice and prosecute them with the full extent of the law.

[VexXx Dogg]

like only when uncle sam involved we could ketch somebody who not from the ghetto

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/us-tt-c ... 1de697edea

You feel that vene petro deal didn't come with a handshake?
The new Deputy Chief of Mission has some postings that smell kinda CIA-ish.

don't be surprised if we have arrangements for black site lurking for US interests, including DEA. For Uncle Sam's benefit. Not ours.

[pugboy]

certainly not for our benefit is right
local gangsterism will continue as normal

[bluefete]

Yuh want to be sure? Read this article in today's Guardian.

https://www.guardian.co.tt/news/the-cha ... 402dbc5e55

SHALIZA HASSANALI

Senior Reporter

Shaliza.hassanali@guardian.co.tt

The faces of gangs in T&T have changed in the past two decades, as their lives are often short-lived. Gang leaders live a life of notoriety; just look at the memeable Cedric “Burkie” Burke, who died during the pandemic.

Today, the T&T Guardian investigates how gang culture emerged, how it has evolved and how it impacts on crime in the country.

In 2017, two years after the Dr Keith Rowley administration assumed office, then-Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi told the country that the police were keeping a close tab on some 2,484 suspected gang members, whose names, whereabouts and alleged activities were known to the authorities.

A year later, the Anti-Gang Bill was unanimously passed in the Lower House, which he said saw a reduction in gangs.

Al-Rawi said statistics from the T&T Police Service showed that between 2018 and 2020, the number of gangs dropped from 211 to 129, while the total number of people involved in gangs decreased from 2,400 to 1,044 during the same period.

Minister of National Security Fitzgerald Hinds also disclosed that for the period 2015 to July 2022, there were 1,181 gang-related murders.

For the first six months of 2023, Hinds said the police recorded 242 murders, of which 114 were gang-related.

In January, Senior Superintendent of the Homicide Bureau of Investigation Rishi Singh disclosed that of the 605 murders recorded last year, 245 were gang-related.

At last year’s launch of the Gang Reduction and Community Empowerment (GRACE) programme, the then-acting police commissioner Mc Donald Jacob said there were six main gangs operating in the country. However, he did not identify them.

Jacobs attributed 60 per cent of the country’s murders to gangs, while 80 per cent of shootings and woundings were gang-related. He said to successfully hold gang members accountable for their crimes, police officers needed more training.

The police have since arrested and charged a handful of men under the Anti-Gang Act.

Among them was Calvin “Tyson” Lee of Port-of-Spain, who, in 2020, was charged with being a gang leader and receiving a stolen motor vehicle. The others were charged with supporting a gang.

Meetings with Manning

Several of the country’s most reputed and feared gang leaders, who held secret meetings with prime ministers, politicians and public officials to broker peace with warring gangs in exchange for lucrative State contracts, positions and jobs, have been killed over the years.

The first meeting dates back to 1957, when T&T’s first Prime Minister and founder of the People’s National Movement (PNM) party, the late Dr Eric Williams, held talks with henchmen of the Marabuntas and Desperadoes who were waging war with each other in Laventille. This resulted in the launch of the Special Works programme to create jobs for the unemployed.

The programme was implemented to control the rogue elements but an analysis later showed it brought no tangible results.

Fast-track to 2002, more than 45 years after, where a group of well-known gang leaders comprising Mark Guerra, Kerwin “Fresh” Phillip, Herbert “Screw-Up” John, Glenroy “Abdul Malick” Charles, Roger Gillard and Sean “Bill” Francis sought to negotiate with then-Prime Minister Patrick Manning, now deceased, to lead the Unemployment Relief (URP) programme during a meeting at the Ambassador Hotel.

The government caved into the gang leaders’ demands by providing them with cushy jobs, State projects and contracts which, it was alleged, only further funded their illegal activities and created small pockets of lawless gangs which are now scattered in almost every community.

In 2006, Manning made a second attempt to broker another peace pact and met with 21 reputed gang bosses, described as “community leaders”, at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Port-of-Spain.

The objective of that meeting was to stem the crime and murders that were growing in the Port-of-Spain district.

This too brought no results, as many of the gang leaders from that meeting eventually died at the hands of a gun.

The People’s Partnership government also admitted to holding talks with Laventille-based gang leaders in 2012.

Then national security minister Jack Warner confirmed sending a representative from his ministry to have a discussion with gang leaders at the St Paul Street Multi-Purpose Facility in Laventille.

The outcome of that meeting was never revealed.

On Monday, Prime Minister Rowley, during a media conference, pointed out that the police cannot and should not get involved in negotiating peace deals among warring factions believed to be responsible for a recent wave of shootings and murders along the East-West corridor.

His comments followed a newspaper article that stated a “peace agreement” was struck after officers from the Port-of-Spain Inter-Agency Task Force (IATF) were able to arrange a deal between gang bosses of the Sixx and Rasta City gangs. The TTPS subsequently denied this report.

Mark Guerra

Today, the T&T Guardian looks into the background of some of the country’s most notorious gang leaders who utilised state funds and dabbled in corruption to build their illegal businesses.

The most reputed among them was Guerra, who rose to prominence in 2002 when he was appointed national advisor in the URP programme under the PNM administration, which earned him over $150,000 per month in National Housing Authority refurbishment projects and salaries for individuals who proved to be ghost gangs.

Guerra used his position, job and corrupt practices to build his empire and fund his criminal gangs in Laventille, which eventually spread throughout the country and even the prison system.

Guerra’s shady dealings in the URP brought in loads of cash and gave him extraordinary powers over the grassroots constituency. Described as the “Don of Laventille”, Guerra used his ill-gotten gains to recruit dozens of gang members in John John, Dorata Street, Beverly Hills and Pashley Street who were either unemployed, school dropouts, victims of poverty or came from single-parent homes.

His illegal operations also made him a prime suspect in several killings and a man marked for death.

In a matter of months, Guerra owned a mansion in John John, Laventille, a string of expensive properties, a BMW, sportscars and had hundreds of thousands of dollars in his bank account.

As Guerra’s empire grew, new gangs in St Barb’s and East Port-of-Spain emerged, making him an unstoppable force.

A father of 13, Guerra, a Libya-trained marksman, openly boasted of his desire to establish two gangs and fired shots at the car carrying then-president Noor Hassanali’s wife Zalayhar in 1989.

Affectionately called the “Boss” by his members and Laventille residents, Guerra, who was a “lieutenant” in the Jamaat Al-Muslimeen, showed his allegiance to the PNM by openly campaigning in several marginal constituencies in the 2002 general election.

Guerra, however, did not live to enjoy his luxurious lifestyle and wealth after being gunned down on his Wallerfield farm in 2005.

At the time of his killing, police estimated there were 40 criminal gangs in operation, which extended from Carenage to San Juan.

One theory behind Guerra’s murder was that a disgruntled faction of his members felt he had grown too big for his shoes and that they were only being fed the crumbs while he lived in the lap of luxury.

New gang leaders emerge

The murder of Guerra left a vacuum in which aspirants to his throne began wiping out one another in their quest to control the drug turf and state funds under the URP programme.

It also triggered a fresh generation of gang leaders who formed the G-Unit, Rasta City, Muslim, Everybody Gets it (EBG), Sixx, Seven and Police gangs in Port-of-Spain.

The birth of these gangs unleashed crimes such as kidnapping for ransom, murders, land grabbing, robberies, drug and gun trafficking, extortion, money laundering, prostitution, human trafficking and illegal quarrying.

Back then, the G-Unit gang was run by reputed gang leader Kerwin “Fresh” Phillip, while Anton “Boombay” Boney managed Guerra’s turf.

These opposing sides often squared off with each other for supremacy and survival, resulting in rapid gunfire echoing in the hills of Laventille and lives being lost.

The gangs eventually grew to 150 backed by 1,000 members as they spread their tentacles throughout the East-West corridor, which triggered a trail of battles, bloodshed and bodies.

One year after Guerra’s killing, gunmen targetted “Abdul Malick”, whose assets and wealth, police estimated, was $10 million from URP projects.

In 2017, “Fresh”, who was subcontracted to build a new health centre at Oxford Street in Port-of-Spain, met a brutal death. His attackers pumped 20 bullets into his body, which sparked reprisal killings.

At the time of his death, “Fresh” had already expanded his base from Charford Court, Port-of-Spain, to Mt D’or, Maloney, Sangre Grande and even Enterprise in Chaguanas.

In 2008, Herbert “Screw-Up” John was shot dead at a job site where he was subcontracted to build a retaining wall worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Shortly after Sean “Bill” Francis, who many described as a “Godfather,” mover and shaker in his Morvant community, met his death.

Armed men opened fire on “Bill” in 2008 while was he standing a short distance from his Morvant home.

Francis cemented popular support in the East-West corridor through his URP job as an administrator in charge of Region II, Port-of-Spain, where Guerra had embedded himself. His manoeuvring through the URP made “Bill” a glorified gangster and national figure.

Also, his hierarchy in the programme pitted him against Guerra.

Well-known gang leader Meryn “Cudjoe” Allamby, described as the Robin Hood in Laventille, was also ambushed and killed in 2008 when he went to investigate the murders of two people close to him.

Allamby, who always had bodyguards and henchmen around him, threw caution to the wind and went to the murder scene along the Main Road in Aranguez where armed men fired at him, killing him on the spot.

Gunmen also went for Anthony “Thirteen” De Vignes and Sheldon “Crock” Scott in 2008.

“Crock”, who police say had murdered over two dozen people, was killed with a single gunshot to his face while standing at Fatima Trace, Laventille. He was Guerra’s main henchman and had been involved in an ongoing gang war with a Jamaat member.

In 2013, David “Jah” Andrews, who took over the reins of the G-Unit from “Fresh”, was also gunned down.

Central was also rocked by the 2016 killing of Selwyn “Robocop” Alexis, a well-known gang leader and criminal mastermind in Enterprise, Chaguanas.

Men carrying high-powered weapons opened fire on “Robocop” at his car wash business on Freedom Street.

Alexis, 52, became infamous nationally for his alleged criminal exploits for more than a decade. Although he had been charged with extortion and several kidnappings, he was never convicted.

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The North Coast’s most feared gang leader and drug lord, Vaughn “Sandman” Mieres, was also wiped out in 2019 at his La Cuevas home with his wife Alita “Letty” Dehere and two others.

In 2017, “Sandman”, who became an untouchable along the North Coast, was arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit murder against Alexis.

Anton “Boombay” Boney, the second-largest gang leader in the country, was sprayed with bullets in 2021 while driving his SUV on the southbound lane of the Uriah Butler Highway. His death led to reprisal killings in Laventille which kept the police busy.

“Boombay” was detained in 2011 in connection with the alleged plot to kill then-prime minister Kamla Persad-Bissessar. He was also detained for a total of seven days “for inquiries” and was released on December 5, 2011, without any charge being laid against him.

The gang leader sued the State and won after a High Court Judge determined his detention was unlawful.

However, his attempt to retrieve $500,000 in damages was reduced to $70,000.

Last June, Dave Junior Nesbit, aka Abdul Malik and leader of the Unruly Isis gang in Chaguanas, was killed at his Enterprise home.

Other gang leaders who were killed or died:

November 2022: Kalefe Pierre, of Upper Sixth Street, Malick, was pumped with bullets at a house in Carenage.

July 2022: Sherman Hinds was killed during a shootout with warring gangs in Diego Martin.

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May 2022: Darnell Singh was shot dead while cutting copper cable wire near his Bombay Street, St James home.

February 2021: Jarron Calliste, alias “Kiteman”, of Malick, succumbed to gunshot injuries at his Mc Comie Street, Tacarigua home.

July 2019: Dexter “Pull Skin” Joseph was killed at a parlour in Laventille.

July 2019: Akini “Dole” Adam was shot dead by police at Sea Lots.

September 2020: Cedric “Burkie” Burke succumbed to the COVID-19 virus at the Couva Hospital.

2011: Kelon Reece was gunned down in Fyzabad days after being released from prison.

Estimated number of gang members for each year

2015: 1,084

2016: 2,038

2017: 2,484

obvious eh?

Imagine, we have crime passing through we stomach like bad food and still we cant even get permission to carry pepper spray, a telescoping baton or a tazer.
CLearly the powers in charge dont want people defending themselves, makes you wonder if theres really a link between crime and the government and police...

[maj. tom]

So Mr. Big name never calling.

[pugboy]

there is a long history of facilitation of these gangs for decades by both govts, more so pnm since they worst perpetrators are from their areas

it was not so bad when it was a handful of gangs with few singular leaders

but now as we can all see from their social media
it’s a bunch of teenagers pulling rank and all have easy access to firearms and they all breaking out to form their own factions

back in bakr days, the leaders of the current gangs would have been kids now joining

[redmanjp]

heinz say he give out 30 pul
out if 350 applicants
go figure

Be patient fellas.

Keep following up on the PULs….

Because that is what allyuh mentality and responsibility level qualifies for….generally speaking.

in the meantime walk with some scorpion pepper to use in your favourite dish.

[zoom rader]

was it a gun or co2 pump ?
asking for a friend

https://www.tiktok.com/@bulletinboard_/video/7305669869758844166?_r=1&_t=8hgkGiHzpZN

Cyclist allegedly pulls gun on driver

Jah bless that kilo man

[Rovin]

exactly what bluefete posted there but d public playing like dem eh know how it have so much crime ...

[bluefete]

exactly what bluefete posted there but d public playing like dem eh know how it have so much crime ...

The stories I have been hearing in the last couple days, from the ground, really drives home just how bad crime is in T&T.

Imagine a doctor opened a small business at home, next thing the goons come telling him he has to pay extortion money or else.

Imagine a woman opened a small business in an area she does not live. Next thing the goons come telling her that they will kill her because she is not from the area. Business close up one time.

Imagine a poor man and I mean POOR, now save up some money to buy about 50 bricks to put down a small structure IN HIS YARD - his house is almost unlivable. Imagine a stink PNM counsellor/goon who lives close to him, who has several CEPEP contracts, several small businesses, and all the other things PNM hierarchy people get - imagine went and report him to the regional corporation - for putting up a small structure in his own yard. Regional corporation engineers went and visit. Man was crying yesterday.

Meanwhile Rowley and Kamla skinning and grinning.

Rovin, son, just be very careful out there. You never know who is watching you everyday and jelly of your business.

[zoom rader]

exactly what bluefete posted there but d public playing like dem eh know how it have so much crime ...

The stories I have been hearing in the last couple days, from the ground, really drives home just how bad crime is in T&T.

Imagine a doctor opened a small business at home, next thing the goons come telling him he has to pay extortion money or else.

Imagine a woman opened a small business in an area she does not live. Next thing the goons come telling her that they will kill her because she is not from the area. Business close up one time.

Imagine a poor man and I mean POOR, now save up some money to buy about 50 bricks to put down a small structure IN HIS YARD - his house is almost unlivable. Imagine a stink PNM counsellor/goon who lives close to him, who has several CEPEP contracts, several small businesses, and all the other things PNM hierarchy people get - imagine went and report him to the regional corporation - for putting up a small structure in his own yard. Regional corporation engineers went and visit. Man was crying yesterday.

Meanwhile Rowley and Kamla skinning and grinning.

Rovin, son, just be very careful out there. You never know who is watching you everyday and jelly of your business.

I am glad the regional ppl visited that man putting up a home and blank him.


Reason why? People build illegal structures that cause damage to other peoples property.

I had an arse hole PNM neighbour that built his garage and had his roof water pouring in my yard.

I spoke to the man about it and was only MC this and MC that. I reported his arse to the San do corporation that made him modify it from damaging by yard.

So fvck them for illegal structures and PNM MC

[Country_Bookie]

In 2017, two years after the Dr Keith Rowley administration assumed office, then-Attorney General Faris Al-Rawi told the country that the police were keeping a close tab on some 2,484 suspected gang members, whose names, whereabouts and alleged activities were known to the authorities.

A year later, the Anti-Gang Bill was unanimously passed in the Lower House, which he said saw a reduction in gangs.

Al-Rawi said statistics from the T&T Police Service showed that between 2018 and 2020, the number of gangs dropped from 211 to 129, while the total number of people involved in gangs decreased from 2,400 to 1,044 during the same period.

Half baked journalism at its best here. How did the number of gangs just magically decrease over this period? Were there any convictions or arrests from the much hyped anti gang bill that was passed in 2018??? We all know the answer is a big fat zero on both counts.


All this pappy show by Governor and opposition about crime talks is just a gimmick, even if they pass some airy fairy legislation, it has no effect on the crime rate and the safety of ordinary citizens.

[pugboy]

https://trinidadexpress.com/news/local/ ... 37d7d.html

[Chimera]

Granny too old and vulnerable to be living here alone.

Get a property manager and give him a 10% of the income and let him handle everything.

Your same tenants put u up.

Wha d firetruck u fighting up down here for if you have the option to get out.

[pugboy]

not necessarily the tenants
them gangs doing lot of research everywhere
any business or cash source they seeing they looking to find out who the principals are

she need to live more secure, proper walls, spikes, perimeter alarm etc

[neilsingh100]

Granny too old and vulnerable to be living here alone.

Get a property manager and give him a 10% of the income and let him handle everything.

Your same tenants put u up.

Wha d firetruck u fighting up down here for if you have the option to get out.

More like T&T is a failed state that can't protect their citizens. When you get rob and shot I want to hear what excuse you will have then.

[pugboy]

Heinz apologized for that already, so you gotta take it as it is.

Granny too old and vulnerable to be living here alone.

Get a property manager and give him a 10% of the income and let him handle everything.

Your same tenants put u up.

Wha d firetruck u fighting up down here for if you have the option to get out.

More like T&T is a failed state that can't protect their citizens. When you get rob and shot I want to hear what excuse you will have then.

[matix]

So we’re at the point where the criminals aren’t to be blamed. Blame the innocent people living here, who’ve worked hard their entire lives, built something in their country.

[wingnut]

So we’re at the point where the criminals aren’t to be blamed. Blame the innocent people living here, who’ve worked hard their entire lives, built something in their country.

Yup and it ultimately contributes to the 'brain drain' and continuous downward slide of the country when the professionals and businesses people keep leaving, it will just get worst

[maj. tom]

Recently Paolo Kernahan did a little opinion piece on how he was a victim of recent violent crime, and pointed out this is where we reach regarding crime because we are helpless. Victim Blaming. It's a coping mechanism of empathy to deal with trauma. We all do it. We cope.


The psychology of Victim Blaming is embedded in all our human brains to cope with the reality and sometimes randomness of tragedy and evil in the world, rather than the world we generally perceive with all the good Disney fantasies and all the good people in the world working to do good and feed the poor children. The reality is completely the opposite and most of society protect ourselves from the grim elements who live in those situations everyday.

Our tendency to blame the victim shouldn't be something we're proud of, of course. It marginalizes the survivor, minimizes the criminal act, and makes people less likely to come forward and report what has happened to them. For these reasons, it’s important to understand the psychological roots of victim-blaming, so we can help prevent it.

If you're like most people, your answer is probably something like, “because it won’t happen to me.” But why wouldn’t it? Why wouldn't you be vulnerable to the same events that everyone else is?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/supersurvivors/201803/why-do-people-blame-the-victim

[zoom rader]

So we’re at the point where the criminals aren’t to be blamed. Blame the innocent people living here, who’ve worked hard their entire lives, built something in their country.

Yup and it ultimately contributes to the 'brain drain' and continuous downward slide of the country when the professionals and businesses people keep leaving, it will just get worst

Every thought that's what the PNM want.

It's not easy to control people that can think on their own .

[zoom rader]

Recently Paolo Kernahan did a little opinion piece on how he was a victim of recent violent crime, and pointed out this is where we reach regarding crime because we are helpless. Victim Blaming. It's a coping mechanism of empathy to deal with trauma. We all do it. We cope.


The psychology of Victim Blaming is embedded in all our human brains to cope with the reality and sometimes randomness of tragedy and evil in the world, rather than the world we generally perceive with all the good Disney fantasies and all the good people in the world working to do good and feed the poor children. The reality is completely the opposite and most of society protect ourselves from the grim elements who live in those situations everyday.

Our tendency to blame the victim shouldn't be something we're proud of, of course. It marginalizes the survivor, minimizes the criminal act, and makes people less likely to come forward and report what has happened to them. For these reasons, it’s important to understand the psychological roots of victim-blaming, so we can help prevent it.

If you're like most people, your answer is probably something like, “because it won’t happen to me.” But why wouldn’t it? Why wouldn't you be vulnerable to the same events that everyone else is?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/supersurvivors/201803/why-do-people-blame-the-victim

Fvck Paola Kernehan

He's a PNM journalist, I don't give two sĥits to these arseholes

[Chimera]

Granny too old and vulnerable to be living here alone.

Get a property manager and give him a 10% of the income and let him handle everything.

Your same tenants put u up.

Wha d firetruck u fighting up down here for if you have the option to get out.

More like T&T is a failed state that can't protect their citizens. When you get rob and shot I want to hear what excuse you will have then.

Princess I've been robbed multiple times. Almost everyone who did is either in jail or dead now though. The fact is trinidad isn't a safe place for business people or vulnerable people. The law is against you. The politicians don't care.
If you can get out then get out.

[Chimera]

I eh blaming granny yuh know.

But at the end of the day granny know trini not safe.

It isn't a new thing.

It's been so since pnm in power.

I don't stop anywhere in the night to buy food anymore. I eh even going a gas station or grocery in the night because it more convenient If anyone come by my gate and I not expecting them I not even coming outside to ask what they want.
And I guarantee you I could handle myself better than granny and her daughter if it come down to a robbery. But u hadda try your best to avoid being a target. I stop wear all jewelery even my wedding ring.

I'm already done a major target with my business and all the ppl I help police arrest



U hadda realize the times we living in

[Rovin]

i saw that story with d lady & she daughter on tv last night, it really sickening & sad, they ransacked she whole house & take everything including she car but like she said at least they eh kill\rape them as if dise some sort of consolation, better listen to your kids, sell out everything & get out from here yes

is blame unc, kamla, panday, manning, society, music, tv, d net, d gun manufacturers, us d citizens, jes blame everybody & everything besides d current govt who in charge for d past 8yrs but doh blame them for crime getting outta control, dise not their fault cause they say they inherited dat & oh how d whole world have crime so wa yuh wa we do ... all of dem in high offices getting steady pay, benefits, have protection & safety around them living nice so to ass with we d public, we hadda hope criminals doh rob\kill we & live a home that we have like a jail

[Skanky]

Imagine in 2023 after;

1.Removing a fairly decent COP who was actually doing OK to put somebody who 7th on the merit list
2.Making sure our borders are porous and guns and drugs can easily enter the country
2.Giving contracts for big money to 'gang leaders' from hotspots so they have enough money to buy....
3.Making sure John Public has as little defense as possible against intruders
4.Making sure police not equipped with the best tech to solve crime except for the crimes you want solved
5.Making sure police raids are never carried out in hotspots but in random areas..it seems everybody knows where the hotspots are except the politicians
6.Making sure no helicopters are working to aid police
7.Making sure police are stationed and patrol where there isn't much crime

and on and on and on,doing everything in their power to make sure crime continues and criminals are comfortable....Trinidadian people still believe the people from Laventille and Beetham and Sea Lots and Morvant and the hotspots are the crime bosses.

Like Zoom says.....stupid country full of stupid people.

[pugboy]

the worst part is the way the ppl at the top speak only empowers the gangsters to keep doing what they do

in other countries the leaders would be very harsh and tell them they coming to get them

instead we have a clown apologizing to the country for the banditry

[paid_influencer]

i saw that story with d lady & she daughter on tv last night, it really sickening & sad, they ransacked she whole house & take everything including she car but like she said at least they eh kill\rape them as if dise some sort of consolation, better listen to your kids, sell out everything & get out from here yes

is blame unc, kamla, panday, manning, society, music, tv, d net, d gun manufacturers, us d citizens, jes blame everybody & everything besides d current govt who in charge for d past 8yrs but doh blame them for crime getting outta control, dise not their fault cause they say they inherited dat & oh how d whole world have crime so wa yuh wa we do ... all of dem in high offices getting steady pay, benefits, have protection & safety around them living nice so to ass with we d public, we hadda hope criminals doh rob\kill we & live a home that we have like a jail

it had a man giving we hope and doing candle light marches and they sue him out of politics. A nurse working their whole life in the hospital to help poor people might never see the kind of money the judge give in settlement. so forget hope, i done with hope

now what you hadda do is chant. chant hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare hare ram hare ram ram ram hare hare. that is the only way to end the suffering