Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Lawsuits Filed

[bluefete]

Politics is a hell of a thing.

If this exact situation like for like happened (same scenario, same people, same outcome) but instead of Paria it was bptt.

Would public perception be different?

Would anyone be charged?

Would fines be levied?

The people would hear some bpTT mouthpiece say the exact same line that there existed too much risk due to unknown factors, and rushing to rescue could have lead to more injuries/fatalities.

However they would accept that, since it came from a foreigner.

That may be so. However, if this was bpTT, the same issues would arise. You let 4 men deliberately die. Someone would have to answer and the foreign media would not let it disappear.

T&T is a different story.

[Animal Pak]

A similar outcome is debatable.

The difference would be however:

1. Roget would be running through marching shoes weekly and lose his voice from all the interviews.

2. Osha would be hot and wet conducting investigations.

3. International media would not let this go.


The only difference with these is one is the state and the other is an llc.

Hence, politics is a hell of a thing.

[kamakazi]

So I have a couple of questions and I might have missed it

Who installed the inflatable plug and the flange before this incident.

What conditions were changed that created the delta p

[kamakazi]

paria keep rehashing about didn’t want any risk in rescue, like they rehearse that over and over

That makes sense though.

Without a proper understanding of the situation and variables, sending persons to attempt to rescue could make matters worse.

The part everyone needs to understand is that the decision was made by the higher ups to let the divers die not because they wanted them to, but the situation forced their hand.

Which headline is worse? 4 divers dead, or 4 divers and 5 rescuers dead?

What situation...For someone who was in physical contact with the divers to make it out of the pipe; and for another to traverse all of the vertical section of the riser and some feet in the horizontal only restricted by the length of his umbilical tells me that a rescue was possible. The risks will most likely show up later in life due to prolonged exposure to hydrocarbons/chemicals but the risk of death from attempting the rescue would be lower

[pugboy]

there would have been plenty pressure for paria to be publicly open about what their plans would have been
not closed door scenes

[GDI]

So I have a couple of questions and I might have missed it

Who installed the inflatable plug and the flange before this incident.

What conditions were changed that created the delta p

LMCS

Plug was installed in atmospheric pressure and removed in hyperbaric.

Air blowing line to clear it trapped air in line. If line was filled with liquid there would have been a non compressible fluid behind plug so plug and men might not have been sucked in.

[kamakazi]

So I have a couple of questions and I might have missed it

Who installed the inflatable plug and the flange before this incident.

What conditions were changed that created the delta p

LMCS

Plug was installed in atmospheric pressure and removed in hyperbaric.

Air blowing line to clear it trapped air in line. If line was filled with liquid there would have been a non compressible fluid behind plug so plug and men might not have been sucked in.

Thank you

[shake d livin wake d dead]

One word to sum up this entire COE thus far is: semantics

[teems1]

A similar outcome is debatable.

The difference would be however:

1. Roget would be running through marching shoes weekly and lose his voice from all the interviews.

2. Osha would be hot and wet conducting investigations.

3. International media would not let this go.


The only difference with these is one is the state and the other is an llc.

Hence, politics is a hell of a thing.

Yeah, I highly doubt that.

It would be visible for 1 news cycle, then fade into memory.

International media does not care about 4 natives dying in some backwater 3rd world nation, even if it's for a giant oil and gas MNC.

[hover11]

A much better word would be diverson...alot of so called educated people not taking accountability for their actions/inactions. Then when placed into the spotlight on the stand they give a grand performance that they now care what transpired all this courtesy of taxpayers expenses of course. Sad that those divers will never see justice

One word to sum up this entire COE thus far is: semantics

[Val]

I'm not sure about educated.

It's painfully obvious that they (Paria) are poorly selected for their positions.

[16 cycles]

Paria rel trying to string up Seales...

[bluefete]

One word to sum up this entire COE thus far is: semantics

Ent? Everybody covering their as-es.

[redmanjp]

Since diving deaths tragedy – Changes made at Paria (or not made)

https://newsday.co.tt/2023/01/06/since-diving-deaths-tragedy-changes-made-at-paria/

why not have some type of drone technology with cameras where u can examine conditions in a pipe in the event a rescue needs to be made? ent that is one of the main reasons they said they couldn't send a man into to rescue?

[shake d livin wake d dead]

One word to sum up this entire COE thus far is: semantics

Ent? Everybody covering their as-es.

The most amount of monitoring and observing I've seen...came from this incident

[Animal Pak]

Jesus inadvertently nailed Paria to the cross.

Strange stuff

[sMASH]

Paria keep saying the risks were unknown.

Np.

But what POSSIBLE risks could have been there? They NEEEED to list that out.


They using blanket general non definitive phrases as some sort of justifications to avoid action.


List of knowns:
- 1200 feet of pipe 60ft below sea level with two ends extending vertically to above sea level.
-one end was blinded.
-pipe had fuel liquid
-pipe had tools, ba tanks, and men trapped.


Unkowns:
- if the blind was still in place
-if the plugs were removed of sucked in as well.
- the exact location of the men, tools, tanks, tools, and the orientation.
- the cause of the delta P, and if a possible reoccurrence


U can figure out most of that.
Except for the objects on the pipe and cause of delta p.

The objects IN the pipe ARE the job to tackle, the primary objective of the work then an there, that can be left unknown, and not prevent any action.

When u work out what is there that could possibly cause the delta p, u realize there isn't many, and so u can reasonably assume it wouldn't occur.
(those are, blind removal or failure, venting/ depressing at berth 5, positive pressure at the habitat, line rupture)


Then u can eliminate as necessary and mitigate the rest.




Paria using a catch phrase to justify inaction.

[pugboy]

couldn’t they have installed back a plug at far end before allowing divers in to avoid any further deta p?

[16 cycles]

I think that far end was already capped off.

They could have planned for worst case conditions, risk assessed against that then put in mitigations and see what the resultant(residual) risk was after mitigations.

All RAs have a likelihood of occurence and severity.

Dive plan could have been formulated for worse case and as more camera info came in, adjust accordingly.

[pugboy]

if far end was already capped and above water and there are no other openings in the pipe except where they entered then it was fairly safe

I think that far end was already capped off.

They could have planned for worst case conditions, risk assessed against that then put in mitigations and see what the resultant(residual) risk was after mitigations.

All RAs have a likelihood of occurence and severity.

Dive plan could have been formulated for worse case and as more camera info came in, adjust accordingly.

[shake d livin wake d dead]

At the end of the COE what do we expect/hope to happen? Board of Paria to pick up big posts elsewhere? Court case to last about 20 years before a verdict is reached ?

[pugboy]

use the clico coe as a guide
junior lawyers might use it as a launchpad for higher political gain

At the end of the COE what do we expect/hope to happen? Board of Paria to pick up big posts elsewhere? Court case to last about 20 years before a verdict is reached ?

[Animal Pak]

Everybody...................

Commissioner - F D F HP

[16 cycles]

Everybody...................

Commissioner - F D F HP

Commish bring out props

[16 cycles]

family members of victims giving testimony now...

[Mmoney607]

It's only the chineeman handle the local Johnny Cochran like a boss

[Mmoney607]

Prakash cook Antonio Donawa today

[pugboy]

link?

It's only the chineeman handle the local Johnny Cochran like a boss

[Mmoney607]

link?

It's only the chineeman handle the local Johnny Cochran like a boss

This was from early in the enquiry, his name was Michael Wei

[pugboy]

oh i thought you meant today,
local johnny cochran, i aint hear that name in a long time