Gulf of Paria Underwater Welders Deaths: Lawsuits Filed

[16 cycles]

They were given a deadline...but had approx 6 months to collate and organize for submission

[maj. tom]

I glad the chairman didn't let this fly. It's a typical tactic for lawyers who feel they oversmart.

Now the chairman knows something is up for sure with Paria and I hope that they are pressed harder.

[pugboy]

there's not much the chairman can do apart from a tongue lashing though
so they will just takes their licks and drag on

[MaxPower]

there's not much the chairman can do apart from a tongue lashing though
so they will just takes their licks and drag on

Exactly, the chairman’s emotions are irrelevant in court.

It’s not how it looks and what was said, it’s what is written and can be proved.

[The_Honourable]

Paris get a serious tongue lashing from the chairman today for sending a pile of docs over weekend after months of requests

Imagine Paria have months to prepare but submitting documents a few hours before the sitting.

Slackness.

Actually it's quite the opposite. Attorneys representing companies / individuals in 'tight spots' usually utilise this tactic frequently so as to add pressure to the opposing side and possibly give a slight edge to themselves as there is much less time to peruse all the evidence / paperwork in detail.

Agreed, glad Chairman Lynch recognized it for what it was... a "document dump".

[Animal Pak]

It's so strange to see how law is actually supposed to be practised in the real world.

I'm confident no one has ever spoken to Mr. Peterson in such a manner as he accustomed to enjoying the benefits of political bias.

[pugboy]

how much percent of lawyers does really earn themselves independently and not on political gravy?

[Val]

I glad the chairman didn't let this fly. It's a typical tactic for lawyers who feel they oversmart.

Now the chairman knows something is up for sure with Paria and I hope that they are pressed harder.

Doesn’t matter in the end game, as this is just a COE and not trial.

Consider: Paria is still operating (even at a reported loss, for whatever reason). If they were fined, wouldn’t taxpayers likely foot the bill for that and any bailout?

LMCS is not. I would be surprised if Christopher Boodram can ever work as a diver again.

TTCG is unphased.

The lawyers are ALL colleagues, at the end of the day it comes down to individual morality and empathy if any justice at all is to be served.

Then consider the track record of corruption and injustice in the country. I feel like we set up ourselves for the COE to funnel more taxes into places it should not go.

[Animal Pak]

I glad the chairman didn't let this fly. It's a typical tactic for lawyers who feel they oversmart.

Now the chairman knows something is up for sure with Paria and I hope that they are pressed harder.

Doesn’t matter in the end game, as this is just a COE and not trial.

Consider: Paria is still operating (even at a reported loss, for whatever reason). If they were fined, wouldn’t taxpayers likely foot the bill for that and any bailout?

LMCS is not. I would be surprised if Christopher Boodram can ever work as a diver again.

TTCG is unphased.

The lawyers are ALL colleagues, at the end of the day it comes down to individual morality and empathy if any justice at all is to be served.

Then consider the track record of corruption and injustice in the country. I feel like we set up ourselves for the COE to funnel more taxes into places it should not go.

This is my question. Isn't osh tt supposed to step in, put a lock on the gate, kick everybody out and halt all operations until their investigation has been concluded??

This is a watershed moment in the industry in T&T.

Companies will literally get an all access pass to do as they like and who vex loss.

[The_Honourable]

Main Paria witnesses Catherine Balkissoon and Colin Piper will be at the Commission today.

[16 cycles]

jah...interviewing CB is difficult- Commish brought her to tears (not sure if genuine or not)

[hover11]

What are the repercussions for lying under oath in a commission of enquiry, it's not a court of law and it is blatantly happening so why are we wasting taxpayers money in these type of things if no one is going to be held accountable

[De Dragon]

What are the repercussions for lying under oath in a commission of enquiry, it's not a court of law and it is blatantly happening so why are we wasting taxpayers money in these type of things if no one is going to be held accountable

To give the appearance that something is being done. To give those incompetent and liable persons cover. To absolve management and the Board, because if you have ties to JUHN Scarfy and the LFD RFD PNM, nothing untoward is ever to befall you, no matter how many people die.

[De Dragon]

What are the repercussions for lying under oath in a commission of enquiry, it's not a court of law and it is blatantly happening so why are we wasting taxpayers money in these type of things if no one is going to be held accountable

To give the appearance that something is being done. To give those incompetent and liable persons cover. To absolve management and the Board, because if you have ties to JUHN Scarfy and the LFD RFD PNM, nothing untoward is ever to befall you, no matter how many people die.

[pugboy]

the circus mode switch was turned on yesterday for sure

[maj. tom]

plenty crocodile and leatherback turtle tears were on cue.

[The_Honourable]

PIPELINE TOO DANGEROUS – Paria tech lead defends block on rescue attempts

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/12/15/pipeli ... -attempts/


Ops manager: Paria unable to identify risks in pipeline repair

https://newsday.co.tt/2022/12/15/ops-ma ... ne-repair/

[Animal Pak]

At the very least people who not familiar with the industry will get a chance to see how these people does really think and operate.

Not just the propaganda they show you on ads on tv

[16 cycles]

Piper made a pretty profound opinion...if you were the father stuck in the pipe, would you want someone to send your son to come in and rescue you without knowing all of the risks associated with that rescue...?

[sMASH]

The risk assessment would have been done since the planning stage of that job.
The appropriate emergency procedures would have been formulated for all likely eventualities.

Did he mean that they dud not consider the risks, come up with a response plan, or have that MUTUALLY APPROVED document on hand?

[Animal Pak]

Piper made a pretty profound opinion...if you were the father stuck in the pipe, would you want someone to send your son to come in and rescue you without knowing all of the risks associated with that rescue...?

Very true.
However, virtue signalling aside.
I'm sure if he himself was in that pipe, he wouldn't care if they sent his son, daughter, grandmother or father to get him. He would want somebody or in fact anybody to get him out.

[toyolink]

There are many things in this COE which makes a expectation for neutrality to seem absent.
The tragic circumstances and the loss of lives has overwhelmingly lead to a 'human' need to have someone or some entity 'guilty' of maybe manslaughter and I can't help but wonder if this human desire wouldn't taint the outcome as far as gathering the facts.
Having had some experience in the industry and dealing with loss of life and property, what is instructive to note is that incidents are normally because of human error and in fact globally since Piper Alpha the oil and gas industry has been trying to invent, develop and install automated systems and operational procedures to address catastropic incidents, all to reduce and or mitigate the impact of same.
Thus far what is striking about the circumstances surrounding the work being done and activities following the event is the absence of cohesive effort by the parties, in fact both Paria and LMCS seemed to operating from diametrically conflicting positions.Tenets of best practise never accomodates the emotional urge to take risks and the lack of focused communication for execution of an urgent life threatening risk can only lead to failure and associated pain, loss and suffering.
Unfortunately, this story is in the most part not unlike the details surrounding similar instances both locally and abroad and any reading of findings on instances such as this will demonstrate same.
I certainly look forward to the findings of the COE and more importantly for me is what is being done for the families and loved ones of the lost soldiers. May they find peaceful rest.

[Duane 3NE 2NR]

I think the court of public opinion already made up its mind before the CoE and even more so during

[hover11]

Court of public opinion? Trinis are the same ppl that have a seven day memory,most studying WC right now than what happening in their own country...executives in suits much like politicians know this all too well.

I think the court of public opinion already made up its mind before the CoE and even more so during

[MaxPower]

Trinis are the same ppl that have a seven day memory,most studying WC right now than what happening in their own country...executives in suits much like politicians know this all too well.

X3000.

Trinis will be Trinis

[lancer_man]

There are many things in this COE which makes a expectation for neutrality to seem absent.
The tragic circumstances and the loss of lives has overwhelmingly lead to a 'human' need to have someone or some entity 'guilty' of maybe manslaughter and I can't help but wonder if this human desire wouldn't taint the outcome as far as gathering the facts.
Having had some experience in the industry and dealing with loss of life and property, what is instructive to note is that incidents are normally because of human error and in fact globally since Piper Alpha the oil and gas industry has been trying to invent, develop and install automated systems and operational procedures to address catastropic incidents, all to reduce and or mitigate the impact of same.
Thus far what is striking about the circumstances surrounding the work being done and activities following the event is the absence of cohesive effort by the parties, in fact both Paria and LMCS seemed to operating from diametrically conflicting positions.Tenets of best practise never accomodates the emotional urge to take risks and the lack of focused communication for execution of an urgent life threatening risk can only lead to failure and associated pain, loss and suffering.
Unfortunately, this story is in the most part not unlike the details surrounding similar instances both locally and abroad and any reading of findings on instances such as this will demonstrate same.
I certainly look forward to the findings of the COE and more importantly for me is what is being done for the families and loved ones of the lost soldiers. May they find peaceful rest.

If human error leads to the death of four men, the problem is not the human, the problem is the systems in place to prevent the hazard. Why would a job ever be sanctioned where one barrier defeated by a human due to an incorrect sequence in a procedure can lead to multiple fatalities? We blame the human but miss the severe deficiencies in management systems and key personnel competencies and then are surprised when similar incidents recur.

[The_Honourable]

While Colin Piper's point is valid that he stopped any diving until information is presented about the conditions in the pipeline and deeming it safe to do a rescue, he fails to understand that all the assessing he was doing ended up wasting the first precious hours since the accident leading to the demise of the divers.

What's worse is that he ultimately never figured out the conditions in the pipeline.

[pugboy]

yeah, he was operating in “small picture” mode
who was it that brought the remote vehicle late?
was it’s footage used to further make decisions?

[16 cycles]

'magic line' - getting more bbls than put in...

[killercow]

While Colin Piper's point is valid that he stopped any diving until information comes in stating that it is safe to do a rescue, he fails to understand that all the assessing he was doing ended up wasting the first precious hours since the accident leading to the demise of the divers.

Now here are my thoughts after reading this...

If a rescue team was sent and they failed (or anything at all went south), the death toll from this incident could have been higher. Moreover, the person authorising the rescue team would have surely been held responsible and crucified to the highest.

Now while all rescue missions carry a certain level of risk, because of the fact that no one wanted even a remote possibility of being held responsible for any possible consequence for such a gamble, the deflect / procrastinate game began from the onset.

So, if no one who was authorised to send a rescue team wanted to take the aforementioned gamble, and no unauthorised personnel were allowed to attempt a rescue, then it seems to me that in the minds of the authorised, this was a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Those men would have unfortunately been condemned from the minute they got stuck because no one wanted to take the gamble.