Ukraine Russia War

[Dizzy28]

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Putin: Russia cannot tolerate NATO at its doorsteps
Also Putin: let me takeover a country bordering four NATO countries

[Cantmis]

Nuclear war without nuclear arms.

[adnj]

Q: What's the difference between a dollar and a ruble?

A: A dollar.

[Penguin]

Lightening the mood here a bit....

[teems1]

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Putin: Russia cannot tolerate NATO at its doorsteps
Also Putin: let me takeover a country bordering four NATO countries

He wants to install a puppet leader who is friendly to Russia. He wouldn't attempt to stretch the borders beyond the Donbas region.

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Putin seems to be prepared to forego any operational deficit in this conflict with the threat of nuclear aggression if ultimately cornered.

He's playing his cards hard .

Never have I seen in my life or in modern history a leader play the nuke threat game as directly as Putin has been over the last couple weeks.

When weighed out properly Ukraine will have to be left alone to negotiate with their big brother . The US/NATO/West isn't going to risk it all for an Eastern European country bordering Russia, no matter how much common global consumerism and social media makes them seem alike .

It would take much more than that for the West to engage Russia directly in an all out war after Russia has laid their cards out on the table .

Just a question you don't consider Kim Jung Un a leader?

[matr1x]

Ukraine doomed

[VII]

In an active conflict.

Putin seems to be prepared to forego any operational deficit in this conflict with the threat of nuclear aggression if ultimately cornered.

He's playing his cards hard .

Never have I seen in my life or in modern history a leader play the nuke threat game as directly as Putin has been over the last couple weeks.

When weighed out properly Ukraine will have to be left alone to negotiate with their big brother . The US/NATO/West isn't going to risk it all for an Eastern European country bordering Russia, no matter how much common global consumerism and social media makes them seem alike .

It would take much more than that for the West to engage Russia directly in an all out war after Russia has laid their cards out on the table .

Just a question you don't consider Kim Jung Un a leader?

[matr1x]

Let's not forget that Russia has sleeper cells scattered across the world

[88sins]

Let's not forget that Russia has sleeper cells scattered across the world

There's that, and then there's been the lingering suspicion that they haven't disposed of the vx, sarin, phosgene and other 40K tonnes of chemical weapons they were supposed to get rid of either.

God help Ukraine
cuz it looks like nobody else will

[De Dragon]

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

[Dizzy28]

So Putin waited until his ally in the WH left to initiate war with a potentially unfriendly President there?

Would it not make sense to strike when your ally in power?

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

[MaxPower]

God help Ukraine
cuz it looks like nobody else will

Now we talking.

The whole world is so touched by the “patriotism” of the Ukrainians and all the “support” they are receiving yet still the Russians bombing the crap out of them.

SO much “world and ally support” and still they cannot defeat/deter the Russians?

The nuclear plant is on fire for SO long and such a major threat that world leaders have not significantly intervened?

Ukraine is getting the bare minimum of assistance for their neighborhood squabble and i will say again they are NOT worth the entire world being at war.

For something supposedly this serious, you don’t intervene AFTER the majority of damage and lives are lost……this shows alot where the Ukrainians stand.

[The_Honourable]

So Putin waited until his ally in the WH left to initiate war with a potentially unfriendly President there?

Would it not make sense to strike when your ally in power?

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

I think the real reason Putin, Jinping and others of the like didn't try anything under Trump's tenure is because Trump himself had no qualms in wiping them out, collateral damage and all. He used MOAB against ISIS.

Trump is the kinda guy will drop a MOAB or even a nuke on moscow, tweet "bye bye Putin" , hold a rally and say how he stopped a potential war while CNN and MSNBC makes Putin into a saint and Trump the devil himself.

[boxy]

So Putin waited until his ally in the WH left to initiate war with a potentially unfriendly President there?

Would it not make sense to strike when your ally in power?

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

I think the real reason Putin, Jinping and others of the like didn't try anything under Trump's tenure is because Trump himself had no qualms in wiping them out, collateral damage and all. He used MOAB against ISIS.

Trump is the kinda guy will drop a MOAB or even a nuke on moscow, tweet "bye bye Putin" , hold a rally and say how he stopped a potential war while CNN and MSNBC makes Putin into a saint and Trump the devil himself.

Using the Moab wasn't Trump's order iirc.
Also Putin literally rocked back and watched as Trump berated and divided NATO politically with his America First rhetoric he was hoping by Teump's second term to have completely caused discord and fractures within NATO. Remember at one point Angela Merkel was seen as the new DeFacto leader of the alliance due to the deep Divisions that were there.
Which is why Putin draw for the Nuke card less than 4 days in the war he did not expect NATO and the EU to fall in line instantaneously and basically kneecap his economy in one fell swoop.

[The_Honourable]

So Putin waited until his ally in the WH left to initiate war with a potentially unfriendly President there?

Would it not make sense to strike when your ally in power?

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

I think the real reason Putin, Jinping and others of the like didn't try anything under Trump's tenure is because Trump himself had no qualms in wiping them out, collateral damage and all. He used MOAB against ISIS.

Trump is the kinda guy will drop a MOAB or even a nuke on moscow, tweet "bye bye Putin" , hold a rally and say how he stopped a potential war while CNN and MSNBC makes Putin into a saint and Trump the devil himself.

Using the Moab wasn't Trump's order iirc.
Also Putin literally rocked back and watched as Trump berated and divided NATO politically with his America First rhetoric he was hoping by Teump's second term to have completely caused discord and fractures within NATO. Remember at one point Angela Merkel was seen as the new DeFacto leader of the alliance due to the deep Divisions that were there.
Which is why Putin draw for the Nuke card less than 4 days in the war he did not expect NATO and the EU to fall in line instantaneously and basically kneecap his economy in one fell swoop.

MOAB didn't necessarily need Trump approval but it happened under his presidency. Agreed, if US did pull out of NATO that would have been a plus for Putin. More than likely, Trump would have done so as his issue was US was paying more than their fair share. Agree divisions were there but they were going to put aside their differences for russia and that's exactly what happened. Putin was going to draw the nuke card anyway whether is NATO, EU or the US themselves. While the russian economy is tanking with sanctions left and right, that nuke card so far have NATO and other countries spectating.

[De Dragon]

So Putin waited until his ally in the WH left to initiate war with a potentially unfriendly President there?

Would it not make sense to strike when your ally in power?

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

Putin was waiting for Trump's second term, where he would remove the US from NATO.
Unfriendly? maybe, but who knows the full cost of a war in Europe would mean to the world, not some pseudo tough guy, who bowed to Putin/Kim. Remember Helsinki? Remember "fire and fury?"

[RedVEVO]

So Putin waited until his ally in the WH left to initiate war with a potentially unfriendly President there?

Would it not make sense to strike when your ally in power?

Contrary to what many seem to think here, NO ONE wants a shooting war between Russia and the US. Only an muffler bearing like Trump felt that because of his "charisma" that Russia was laying low. They merely had an ally in the White House who could be counted on not to rock the boat.

Putin was waiting for Trump's second term, where he would remove the US from NATO.
Unfriendly? maybe, but who knows the full cost of a war in Europe would mean to the world, not some pseudo tough guy, who bowed to Putin/Kim. Remember Helsinki? Remember "fire and fury?"

NATO is the USA

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[adnj]

Gas prices are surging nationwide. The national average record for gasoline -- $4.11, set in 2008 -- is within sight. That would be a huge jump from a year ago, when the national average price was $2.75 a gallon.

The average price of diesel is also skyrocketing, which will drive up transportation costs for businesses.



People fill their cars where prices for gas and diesel fuel are over $5 a gallon at a petrol station in Monterey Park, California on March 4, 2022.  (Frederic J. Brown/AFP/Getty Images)

[Redman]

All commodity prices were already at the high end of their all time ranges.
It's also changing supply chain s as companies look to avoid this risk in the future, like they did with Covid.

I think at the other side of this we will have very different supply lines and pricing points.

And a weaker USD.

ETA I see she'll has just purchased a shipment of Russian crude.
About 30 usd discount to market.
Which is still a good price under normal conditions.

[Dizzy28]

Hungary yesterday has put a stop to all grain exports. Wheat futures are at some all time highs and yesterday I saw a nice analysis of the impact on balance of payments of a sample of countries for every $1 rise in wheat. Egypt is royally fcuked. It's amazing how some some very large and populous countries are even more dependent on food imports than we are.

All commodity prices were already at the high end of their all time ranges.
It's also changing supply chain s as companies look to avoid this risk in the future, like they did with Covid.

I think at the other side of this we will have very different supply lines and pricing points.

And a weaker USD.

ETA I see she'll has just purchased a shipment of Russian crude.
About 30 usd discount to market.
Which is still a good price under normal conditions.

[adnj]

[Dohplaydat]

To be fair, Putin's screwed up way more than Trump ever did, though Trump didn't have a 2nd term to do more damage.

[adnj]

^^ more of a comment on parallels of nationalism rather than the individual leaders.

[Country_Bookie]

Ever notice that Israel has been annexing land that isn't theirs, bombing civilians etc for years, but no western governments have responded with any kind of sanctions or condemnation the same way they did to Russia? Amnesty International and the UN have released many reports about their war crimes, but the US always blocks any action toward Israel.

Is it that Palestinian lives don't matter?

[Redman]

It has to do with who benefits.
Who getting kill is secondary..

[Dizzy28]

It doesn't and not even to their fellow Muslims. Look how the Gulf states are one by one normalizing relations with Israel and MBS just this week said KSA is willing to have good relations with them and vaguely referenced Palestine and it's problems.


https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-ea ... 022-03-03/

Ever notice that Israel has been annexing land that isn't theirs, bombing civilians etc for years, but no western governments have responded with any kind of sanctions or condemnation the same way they did to Russia? Amnesty International and the UN have released many reports about their war crimes, but the US always blocks any action toward Israel.

Is it that Palestinian lives don't matter?

[meccalli]

War reporter Anne-Laure Bonnel in the Donbass: “eight years since the government of Kiev bombed its population”, “13,000 dead”,

[Dizzy28]

Seems the NATO stingers have arrived in Ukraine. The sites that post losses uses geotag and dating from multiple sources and are pretty accurate as in not propaganda.

That's a pretty big one day loss of air power for a supposedly top air force with superiority over the opposition. The Su34s are also the newest most modern jets the RuAF has.

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Stunning image shows Ukrainians gathering under a demolished bridge as they try to flee on the outskirts of Kyiv. https://abcn.ws/35MUgVY