Property Tax in Trinidad & Tobago

[j.o.e]

So y’all ok with paying the original land and building tax or don’t want to pay any tax ? Just asking

[Chimera]

I don't like the idea of the tax considering how shitty our government services are here.

Roads
Water
Police service etc

And then you seeing them taking our tax payer money and wasting it on high rent for buildings they not using. On highways that collapsing into the sea etc

[88sins]

How on GOD'S GREEN earth can the government own the property when you have a deed in your possession. Ppl on here like to talk what they don't know. Unless the definition of deed changed recently and I am completely unaware.

Ask that them that question after you read the act and see the part where if you don't pay it they have the legal right to kick you out of your house and sell it without your consent or signature.

But what you really should be asking is...

If you paid for something and you supposedly own it and have documentation that proves that you own it, why do you have to pay an annual fee to the state be allowed to keep what I already paid for? Because let's not forget, they already have it in law that if you don't pay they can seize and sell your your property to recover the tax you owe them.

And/or

If the state can legally take possession and dispose of an asset that you lawfully bought or built and already paid taxes on, simply because you don't pay them a tax to be allowed to keep what you paid for, can you really say that that property is actually entirely yours?

Eminent domain?
I think a lot of countries have this loophole built in to the law to serve the interest of the govt.

Not eminent domain, more like non-consensual civil forfeiture. Eminent domain is something else altogether.
How that law is written, if you don't pay said tax the state retains the legal right to seize your property and evict you at your expense and sell to your property to recover the property taxes you owe them.

So, if the state can dictate that you owe them money simply because you bought or built a property to live in, and they can take it from you and make you pay for the costs affiliated with them taking it from you, it begs the question, did you ever own that property?
With that in mind, the answer feeling and looking very much like a resounding no. So, technically, with this iteration of this property tax legislation, nobody owns property, and everybody is practically renting from the state, and your rent is valued by how much money you spent on acquiring and developing and upgrading your property.


But the people vote for dat.

[zoom rader]

I don't like the idea of the tax considering how shitty our government services are here.

Roads
Water
Police service etc

And then you seeing them taking our tax payer money and wasting it on high rent for buildings they not using. On highways that collapsing into the sea etc

One red female minster already said they will take house tax money and fix red government areas.

That's the level of bull 5hit we dealing with

[drchaos]

So y’all ok with paying the original land and building tax or don’t want to pay any tax ? Just asking

Dont mind paying any tax once the system is working for the people.

Friend of mine in the UK pays around 300 GBP in council tax per month (their local gov property tax)

This is steep but he has access at his city council office to see where every single pence was spent. He also sees the value he is getting for his tax dollars spent.


Transparency, Equity and maintenance of civil liberties are things our governments have and continue to fail at.

[88sins]

So y’all ok with paying the original land and building tax or don’t want to pay any tax ? Just asking

It ain't that simplistic.
Part of the problem is the serious lack of accountability,. You paying a tax and you have no idea where it is being spent, or on what, but if history has taught you nothing else, all you know is that your tax dollars are not going to be used to bring any benefit whatsoever to you, your property, or your community, and nobody will be able to show you where your money is going. Its done that way intentionally. That in and of itself is utter nonsense.

Another issue is, they want to tax you on your property simply because you worked and made the best usage of your resources, and you have some of the finer things in your property. Things that you probably already paid taxes on when you acquired them. Never before have I ever heard of property taxes being assessed and levied anywhere based on things such as what type of flooring and ceiling you have, or if you have ac, or if you have electricity and running water. And they are asking these very intrusive questions because these rat-sodomizers are looking for any way they can to make you pay more to be allowed to keep what is yours.

But this is what this nation of idiots chose, so let them have it.

[Redman]

So y’all ok with paying the original land and building tax or don’t want to pay any tax ? Just asking

It ain't that simplistic.
Part of the problem is the serious lack of accountability,. You paying a tax and you have no idea where it is being spent, or on what, but if history has taught you nothing else, all you know is that your tax dollars are not going to be used to bring any benefit whatsoever to you, your property, or your community, and nobody will be able to show you where your money is going. Its done that way intentionally. That in and of itself is utter nonsense.

Another issue is, they want to tax you on your property simply because you worked and made the best usage of your resources, and you have some of the finer things in your property. Things that you probably already paid taxes on when you acquired them. Never before have I ever heard of property taxes being assessed and levied anywhere based on things such as what type of flooring and ceiling you have, or if you have ac, or if you have electricity and running water. And they are asking these very intrusive questions because these rat-sodomizers are looking for any way they can to make you pay more to be allowed to keep what is yours.

But this is what this nation of idiots chose, so let them have it.

Morning, hope this helps,

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+are+build ... sed&ia=web

From Investopedia:
How are Property Taxes Calculated?
Your property tax bill is based on the assessed value of your property, any exemptions for which you qualify, and a property tax rate.

Assessed value is the dollar value assigned to a home or other piece of real estate for property tax purposes. It takes into account the value of comparable properties in the area, among other factors. In many cases, the assessed value is calculated as a percentage of the fair market value of the property.
Assessed value takes into account the overall quality and condition of the property, local property values, square footage, home features, and market conditions. Many of these judgments are based on computerized real estate data for that neighborhood and the surrounding area.

[bluefete]

NOTE: In the USA, the government agents do the work! The citizens do not have to do the government's work for them.

From the USA:

An assessor, hired by the local government, estimates the market value of your property—which includes both the land and structure—after which you receive an assessment. (In some jurisdictions, the assessed value is a percentage of the market value; in others, it is the same as the market value.)

The assessor may come to your property, but in some cases, an assessor may complete property assessments remotely using software with updated tax rolls. Your local tax collector's office sends you your property tax bill, which is based on this assessment.

In order to come up with your tax bill, your tax office multiplies the tax rate by the assessed value. So, if your property is assessed at $300,000 and your local government sets your tax rate at 2.5%, your annual tax bill will be $7,500.

Give the assessor a chance to walk through your home—with you—during your assessment.

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/p ... x_tips.asp

[88sins]

So y’all ok with paying the original land and building tax or don’t want to pay any tax ? Just asking

It ain't that simplistic.
Part of the problem is the serious lack of accountability,. You paying a tax and you have no idea where it is being spent, or on what, but if history has taught you nothing else, all you know is that your tax dollars are not going to be used to bring any benefit whatsoever to you, your property, or your community, and nobody will be able to show you where your money is going. Its done that way intentionally. That in and of itself is utter nonsense.

Another issue is, they want to tax you on your property simply because you worked and made the best usage of your resources, and you have some of the finer things in your property. Things that you probably already paid taxes on when you acquired them. Never before have I ever heard of property taxes being assessed and levied anywhere based on things such as what type of flooring and ceiling you have, or if you have ac, or if you have electricity and running water. And they are asking these very intrusive questions because these rat-sodomizers are looking for any way they can to make you pay more to be allowed to keep what is yours.

But this is what this nation of idiots chose, so let them have it.

Morning, hope this helps,

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+are+build ... sed&ia=web

From Investopedia:
How are Property Taxes Calculated?
Your property tax bill is based on the assessed value of your property, any exemptions for which you qualify, and a property tax rate.

Assessed value is the dollar value assigned to a home or other piece of real estate for property tax purposes. It takes into account the value of comparable properties in the area, among other factors. In many cases, the assessed value is calculated as a percentage of the fair market value of the property.
Assessed value takes into account the overall quality and condition of the property, local property values, square footage, home features, and market conditions. Many of these judgments are based on computerized real estate data for that neighborhood and the surrounding area.

It doesn't help.
We all know how taxes are calculated.

What I want to know from you is, are all the houses in your neighborhood identical, do they all have the exact same finishings and are they all kept in the same condition? And where in that little blurb did you see any mention about the finer details of people homes being used to calculate their properties values?

If you want you can continue attempting to justify nonsense, but don't be too surprised when you realize it eh wukkin

[Redman]

So y’all ok with paying the original land and building tax or don’t want to pay any tax ? Just asking

It ain't that simplistic.
Part of the problem is the serious lack of accountability,. You paying a tax and you have no idea where it is being spent, or on what, but if history has taught you nothing else, all you know is that your tax dollars are not going to be used to bring any benefit whatsoever to you, your property, or your community, and nobody will be able to show you where your money is going. Its done that way intentionally. That in and of itself is utter nonsense.

Another issue is, they want to tax you on your property simply because you worked and made the best usage of your resources, and you have some of the finer things in your property. Things that you probably already paid taxes on when you acquired them. Never before have I ever heard of property taxes being assessed and levied anywhere based on things such as what type of flooring and ceiling you have, or if you have ac, or if you have electricity and running water. And they are asking these very intrusive questions because these rat-sodomizers are looking for any way they can to make you pay more to be allowed to keep what is yours.

But this is what this nation of idiots chose, so let them have it.

Morning, hope this helps,

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+are+build ... sed&ia=web

From Investopedia:
How are Property Taxes Calculated?
Your property tax bill is based on the assessed value of your property, any exemptions for which you qualify, and a property tax rate.

Assessed value is the dollar value assigned to a home or other piece of real estate for property tax purposes. It takes into account the value of comparable properties in the area, among other factors. In many cases, the assessed value is calculated as a percentage of the fair market value of the property.
Assessed value takes into account the overall quality and condition of the property, local property values, square footage, home features, and market conditions. Many of these judgments are based on computerized real estate data for that neighborhood and the surrounding area.

It doesn't help.
We all know how taxes are calculated.

What I want to know from you is, are all the houses in your neighborhood identical, do they all have the exact same finishings and are they all kept in the same condition? And where in that little blurb did you see any mention about the finer details of people homes being used to calculate their properties values?

If you want you can continue attempting to justify nonsense, but don't be too surprised when you realize it eh wukkin

You said you've never seen.
Investopedia shows you that the condition of the house is a part of the assessment.
They call it house features.

Investopedia has shown you for the first time that
the established Logical process is to get details for said assessment.

Congrats you've seen something YOU said you've never seen anywhere, despite it being everywhere.

[88sins]

boi, you hadda be either an ass, or a marble, or an ass with a marble in it.

[Redman]

:roll: boi, you hadda be either an ass, or a marble, or an ass with a marble in it.

In the space of one post youve gone from 'Never seen anywhere' to 'knowing how taxes are calculated'
At least you learned something.

Well done.

[redmanjp]

Hey is there an an online link to the Return form? My mom wants me to make copies of the form she got but if its available online it wont be necessary. i went to https://www.finance.gov.tt/divisions/valuation-division/ but not seeing any forms.

[Chimera]

It also shitty that if you scraped and saved to make your house nice and comfortable you have to pay more taxes.

Don't like the idea of random low level government workers being allowed to walk into persons houses to inspect as well.

Gives alot of opportunity for them to gauge houses and their security systems/ dogs etc and send back criminal elements to do a robbery

[Blaze d Chalice]

So in summary what you all saying is that places like Morvant/Laventile/Beetham/Sea Lots/Enterprise, where the housing structures and conditions remain the same for almost 100 years, will have to pay less tax than areas such as Bel Air/Palmiste/Gulf View, or places like Debe and Barrackpore that house sizes/material improved over time?

And to top it off, the same people from the Morvant-Enterprise are the ones coming inside your female child's bedroom to "inspect"?

Hhahahahahaha

PNM 2050 in you MC.

[VexXx Dogg]

Hey is there an an online link to the Return form? My mom wants me to make copies of the form she got but if its available online it wont be necessary. i went to https://www.finance.gov.tt/divisions/valuation-division/ but not seeing any forms.

https://valuationdivision.gov.tt/home/

[88sins]

It also shitty that if you scraped and saved to make your house nice and comfortable you have to pay more taxes.

Don't like the idea of random low level government workers being allowed to walk into persons houses to inspect as well.

Gives alot of opportunity for them to gauge houses and their security systems/ dogs etc and send back criminal elements to do a robbery

according to the resident pnm lickbottomologist that's normal

[Redman]

Toting is for pissant chirren.

What is normal is valuations based on data collected.

This morning you didn't know that.
It's ok...you've shown progress.

[Redman]

Larry Howai promised in at least one budget that they intended that by 2017 they will start to implement

Land is the biggest asset in the country....regardless of who is in power that sector needs to be regulated.

[drchaos]

If the system is flooded with fake online submissions?

[vickyexp]

I really think the property tax funds won't be used for the purposes intended and even if a percentage is used, getting value for money is a long shot.

Property tax in my area (TX) avg USD$9.5k/yr but it's spent properly example below;

I use a back road to get home on evenings which is asphalt and begun to get some potholes. I emailed the county on Monday morning, got a response by the evening saying that it's assigned to an engineer to investigate. And by Thursday of that week, all holes were repaired the right way.

[88sins]

I really think the property tax funds won't be used for the purposes intended and even if a percentage is used, getting value for money is a long shot.

Property tax in my area (TX) avg USD$9.5k/yr but it's spent properly example below;

I use a back road to get home on evenings which is asphalt and begun to get some potholes. I emailed the county on Monday morning, got a response by the evening saying that it's assigned to an engineer to investigate. And by Thursday of that week, all holes were repaired the right way.

Son, in this place we have road in we pothole.
To show you how bad it is

There's major roads within Port of Spain that look like 3rd world jungle trails, minus the trees and flora, in front of government offices and public buildings, and they remain so not for days or weeks, but for months and years.
Meanwhile, big multimillion dollar contracts sharing out to pave highways and off routes that are in relatively good condition by comparison. It have people living in this place, on streets and dirt roads, that trying for decades to get them paved and resurfaced, to no avail.

[st7]

another month-end, another deadline.

wonder if imps gonna extend again

[bluefete]

^^ NOPE.. Time for people to pay the $5,000.00 fines.

[88sins]

^^ NOPE.. Time for people to pay the $5,000.00 fines.

not gonna happen. They dotish, not suicidal.

[dredman1]

Sooo…

The ”final” deadline come and gone, but still nothing from the gov’t on whether the deadline extended again?

Or silence = $5000 fine in people tail?

[sMASH]

i saw a post where they regularizing squatters so that they could get documents to file, to make up the numbers.

[st7]

according to the last announcement of the last deadline extension, it was going to be the final one.

so lewwe see if they really charge ppl this $5000 sheit

[pugboy]

let them start in heinz and leonce constituencies

[zoom rader]

let them start in heinz and leonce constituencies

Fat chance

They going after injuns first cause they docile