Local Covid Anti-Vaxxers vs Studies Spammers

[ed360123]

Ivermectin is not a substitute for vaccination.


But it's very cheap and very safe thst there should not be any pushbsck against its usage.

If the goal is the well being of people, then ivermectin should be encouraged or at least not be blocked.

But if thr goal is just to stick people with vaccine then I can see why it's demonized. As non sick people can't be pressured into taking the jab.

There's push back against it because there's no evidence it works. Same with hydroxychloroquine.

Hydroxy chloroquine is a dangerous one. Doctors hadda be on hand and monitor closely.

Ivermectin, thst is nothing. As said before, if it doesn't work, the most u get is to be worm proof.

If ur substituting for thr vaccine, then no, thst not good. But to keep people from using it JUST because it no one studied its effectiveness, that ludicrous.

If that's the case then u hadda ban everyting from. Trevor sayers.

U can't ban sumting just because it does it do what it says.


It has no negative effect from using it prophylactly.




And just like the vaccines, as people use it u can get more data to show how much infections happens in those populations compared to thr norm.

You're aware that there's a reason Ivermectin is not an over-the-counter drug, right.

[aaron17]

Where I work 2 guys died. One overweight one with kidney problems which was made worst by covid . He died covid free from kidney problems

Another guy in his 30s no underlying conditions a former footballer got covid he recovered but his lungs is now permanently damaged. Unvaccinated as well

You may survive but be permanently damaged

This virus is serious once you are given the ok by your doctor please get vaccinated as soon as possible

more info needed....

[ruffneck_12]

y'all know the virus has a really high survival rate even without the vax right

I know more people who had covid and are now normal than have died

and the people I know who had bad reactions were very unhealthy.

We shut down the whole world for 1%. But we wont take steps to live a healthier lifestyle.

I used to think like that in 2020, but what you don't get is that all these unhealthy people could have lived 10,20, even 30 years longer.

And then this doesn't even consider the real issue which is hospitalizations, covid is bad not because of its mortality rate, but because of how contagious is it. This is why lockdowns worked, it slowed the spread.

Why was flattening this curve important? Because it wreaked havoc on hospitals, not only overwhelming staff, but getting them sick, resulting in pushing back and canceling hundreds of surgeries, and other urgent matters. People in the US died from appendicitis because they couldn't get treatment during covid outbreaks.

So it's not just about living healthier, that is all well and good. But telling people that won't change anything right now, which means covid is a PROBLEM.

Yeah, healthcare system overloaded, but nurses WORLDWIDE busy doing Tik Tok Challenge.

When yall gonna wake up and realise this whole thing is a joke





look how stressed they look, guess a really bad pandemic does that to ya

[ed360123]

y'all know the virus has a really high survival rate even without the vax right

I know more people who had covid and are now normal than have died

and the people I know who had bad reactions were very unhealthy.

We shut down the whole world for 1%. But we wont take steps to live a healthier lifestyle.

I used to think like that in 2020, but what you don't get is that all these unhealthy people could have lived 10,20, even 30 years longer.

And then this doesn't even consider the real issue which is hospitalizations, covid is bad not because of its mortality rate, but because of how contagious is it. This is why lockdowns worked, it slowed the spread.

Why was flattening this curve important? Because it wreaked havoc on hospitals, not only overwhelming staff, but getting them sick, resulting in pushing back and canceling hundreds of surgeries, and other urgent matters. People in the US died from appendicitis because they couldn't get treatment during covid outbreaks.

So it's not just about living healthier, that is all well and good. But telling people that won't change anything right now, which means covid is a PROBLEM.

Yeah, healthcare system overloaded, but nurses WORLDWIDE busy doing Tik Tok Challenge.

When yall gonna wake up and realise this whole thing is a joke





look how stressed they look, guess a really bad pandemic does that to ya

Nurses have free time. Lunch breaks are a thing. It's really not that hard.
Also: how you gonna assume they not stressed mentally by just looking at a video.

[Shannon]

[ruffneck_12]

y'all know the virus has a really high survival rate even without the vax right

I know more people who had covid and are now normal than have died

and the people I know who had bad reactions were very unhealthy.

We shut down the whole world for 1%. But we wont take steps to live a healthier lifestyle.

I used to think like that in 2020, but what you don't get is that all these unhealthy people could have lived 10,20, even 30 years longer.

And then this doesn't even consider the real issue which is hospitalizations, covid is bad not because of its mortality rate, but because of how contagious is it. This is why lockdowns worked, it slowed the spread.

Why was flattening this curve important? Because it wreaked havoc on hospitals, not only overwhelming staff, but getting them sick, resulting in pushing back and canceling hundreds of surgeries, and other urgent matters. People in the US died from appendicitis because they couldn't get treatment during covid outbreaks.

So it's not just about living healthier, that is all well and good. But telling people that won't change anything right now, which means covid is a PROBLEM.

Yeah, healthcare system overloaded, but nurses WORLDWIDE busy doing Tik Tok Challenge.

When yall gonna wake up and realise this whole thing is a joke





look how stressed they look, guess a really bad pandemic does that to ya

Nurses have free time. Lunch breaks are a thing. It's really not that hard.
Also: how you gonna assume they not stressed mentally by just looking at a video.

So you telling me ALL 20-sumn nurses took lunch at the same time?

Open your eyes please.

[ed360123]

y'all know the virus has a really high survival rate even without the vax right

I know more people who had covid and are now normal than have died

and the people I know who had bad reactions were very unhealthy.

We shut down the whole world for 1%. But we wont take steps to live a healthier lifestyle.

I used to think like that in 2020, but what you don't get is that all these unhealthy people could have lived 10,20, even 30 years longer.

And then this doesn't even consider the real issue which is hospitalizations, covid is bad not because of its mortality rate, but because of how contagious is it. This is why lockdowns worked, it slowed the spread.

Why was flattening this curve important? Because it wreaked havoc on hospitals, not only overwhelming staff, but getting them sick, resulting in pushing back and canceling hundreds of surgeries, and other urgent matters. People in the US died from appendicitis because they couldn't get treatment during covid outbreaks.

So it's not just about living healthier, that is all well and good. But telling people that won't change anything right now, which means covid is a PROBLEM.

Yeah, healthcare system overloaded, but nurses WORLDWIDE busy doing Tik Tok Challenge.

When yall gonna wake up and realise this whole thing is a joke





look how stressed they look, guess a really bad pandemic does that to ya

Nurses have free time. Lunch breaks are a thing. It's really not that hard.
Also: how you gonna assume they not stressed mentally by just looking at a video.

So you telling me ALL 20-sumn nurses took lunch at the same time?

Open your eyes please.

Yes. Nurses can take lunch breaks at the same time. You could literally Google that.

[aaron17]

waaays!

[K74T]

Smash you take ivermectin?

[timelapse]

Tide pods contain Ivermectin.
Smash u know Zentel does the same thing right?

[adnj]

Tide pods contain Ivermectin.
Smash u know Zentel does the same thing right?

"A poison in a small dose is a medicine," said Alfred Swaine Taylor, a 19th century toxicologist, "and a medicine in a large dose is a poison."

Classic poisons like hemlock, nightshade, aconite, foxglove, opium, and strychnine were used to treat a range of ails, from the humble head cold to heart conditions, and even worn as makeup. Toxic metals like mercury, lead, and arsenic were ingredients in medicines lining pharmacy shelves as late as the 20th century.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... of-poison/

[gastly369]

[sMASH]

Ivermectin is not a substitute for vaccination.


But it's very cheap and very safe thst there should not be any pushbsck against its usage.

If the goal is the well being of people, then ivermectin should be encouraged or at least not be blocked.

But if thr goal is just to stick people with vaccine then I can see why it's demonized. As non sick people can't be pressured into taking the jab.

There's push back against it because there's no evidence it works. Same with hydroxychloroquine.

Hydroxy chloroquine is a dangerous one. Doctors hadda be on hand and monitor closely.

Ivermectin, thst is nothing. As said before, if it doesn't work, the most u get is to be worm proof.

If ur substituting for thr vaccine, then no, thst not good. But to keep people from using it JUST because it no one studied its effectiveness, that ludicrous.

If that's the case then u hadda ban everyting from. Trevor sayers.

U can't ban sumting just because it does it do what it says.


It has no negative effect from using it prophylactly.




And just like the vaccines, as people use it u can get more data to show how much infections happens in those populations compared to thr norm.

You're aware that there's a reason Ivermectin is not an over-the-counter drug, right.

I'm Not aware of thst cause I buy it over the counter.

No doctor in their right mind gonna risk prescribing ivermectin for covid, in Trinidad. If they prescribe it, it would be fir the stated uses.

[sMASH]

y'all know the virus has a really high survival rate even without the vax right

I know more people who had covid and are now normal than have died

and the people I know who had bad reactions were very unhealthy.

We shut down the whole world for 1%. But we wont take steps to live a healthier lifestyle.

I used to think like that in 2020, but what you don't get is that all these unhealthy people could have lived 10,20, even 30 years longer.

And then this doesn't even consider the real issue which is hospitalizations, covid is bad not because of its mortality rate, but because of how contagious is it. This is why lockdowns worked, it slowed the spread.

Why was flattening this curve important? Because it wreaked havoc on hospitals, not only overwhelming staff, but getting them sick, resulting in pushing back and canceling hundreds of surgeries, and other urgent matters. People in the US died from appendicitis because they couldn't get treatment during covid outbreaks.

So it's not just about living healthier, that is all well and good. But telling people that won't change anything right now, which means covid is a PROBLEM.

Yeah, healthcare system overloaded, but nurses WORLDWIDE busy doing Tik Tok Challenge.

When yall gonna wake up and realise this whole thing is a joke





look how stressed they look, guess a really bad pandemic does that to ya

Gee dem a clap. . Good jawb, good jawb.
Then fire them for not vaxing while doing the same jawb

[sMASH]

Tide pods contain Ivermectin.
Smash u know Zentel does the same thing right?

It might do the same ting, but it's thr different thing I taking it for.


Taking zentel for covid is like using ur gate remote on the TV. Yes it's a remote but, ur the additional features ur looking for.

[drchaos]

Tide pods contain Ivermectin.
Smash u know Zentel does the same thing right?

please ignore this ... Ivermectin and Albendazole are two completely different drugs with completely different mechanisms of action.

[drchaos]

Ivermectin: How false science created a Covid 'miracle' drug
The BBC can reveal that more than a third of 26 major trials of the drug for use on Covid have serious errors or signs of potential fraud. None of the rest show convincing evidence of ivermectin's effectiveness.

Dr Kyle Sheldrick, one of the group investigating the studies, said they had not found "a single clinical trial" claiming to show that ivermectin prevented Covid deaths that did not contain "either obvious signs of fabrication or errors so critical they invalidate the study".
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809

But our usual brilliant Trinituner suspects here keep pushing their false ideas from Facebook. Time and time again, it is explained that ivermectin as a treatment for covid-19 has always been fraud. Do our brilliant conspiracy scientists here ever read these things? No, it's not pushed on their Facebook groups. We've even had persons here who have no clue about organic or biochemistry claim that a new drug is the same as ivermectin despite looking at the vastly different molecular structures and functional groups in front their faces. Then there's our most arrogant internet doctor who knows what all the other doctors in the world don't know.

It would be amusing if this kind of misinformation wasn't deadly and hasn't taken several hundred people's lives in real life. Every 3rd post or so at r/HermanCainAward is littered with garbage of using horse paste and then dying adamantly stupid and senselessly to the very end.

This guy is sooo ape sheit angry all the time its facking HILARIOUS

[ed360123]

Tide pods contain Ivermectin.
Smash u know Zentel does the same thing right?

It might do the same ting, but it's thr different thing I taking it for.


Taking zentel for covid is like using ur gate remote on the TV. Yes it's a remote but, ur the additional features ur looking for.

Wait so you taking Ivermectin currently?

[De Dragon]

As I said the correlation is worthy of more investigation.


Of course the reality is that the UP experience was matched in Goa with similarities in the results.
And Mexico.

Off patent meds don't make money for anyone.

Merck makes Ivermectin.
Merck currently doesn't make a Covid-19 vaccine.
Merck currently has advised AGAINST using Ivermectin for Covid-19

It doesn't want to get sued if things don't go right....
Its too cheap to make much money from so don't need to push it.
Cya... For a low profit product.

Can't get sued if someone intentionally misuses it
Cheap used in large quantities adds up
They could have simply remained silent

[Kenjo]

y'all know the virus has a really high survival rate even without the vax right

I know more people who had covid and are now normal than have died

and the people I know who had bad reactions were very unhealthy.

We shut down the whole world for 1%. But we wont take steps to live a healthier lifestyle.

I used to think like that in 2020, but what you don't get is that all these unhealthy people could have lived 10,20, even 30 years longer.

And then this doesn't even consider the real issue which is hospitalizations, covid is bad not because of its mortality rate, but because of how contagious is it. This is why lockdowns worked, it slowed the spread.

Why was flattening this curve important? Because it wreaked havoc on hospitals, not only overwhelming staff, but getting them sick, resulting in pushing back and canceling hundreds of surgeries, and other urgent matters. People in the US died from appendicitis because they couldn't get treatment during covid outbreaks.

So it's not just about living healthier, that is all well and good. But telling people that won't change anything right now, which means covid is a PROBLEM.

Yeah, healthcare system overloaded, but nurses WORLDWIDE busy doing Tik Tok Challenge.

When yall gonna wake up and realise this whole thing is a joke





look how stressed they look, guess a really bad pandemic does that to ya

Nurses have free time. Lunch breaks are a thing. It's really not that hard.
Also: how you gonna assume they not stressed mentally by just looking at a video.

So you telling me ALL 20-sumn nurses took lunch at the same time?

Open your eyes please.

Lol

[Redman]

ok

As I said the correlation is worthy of more investigation.


Of course the reality is that the UP experience was matched in Goa with similarities in the results.
And Mexico.

Off patent meds don't make money for anyone.

Merck makes Ivermectin.
Merck currently doesn't make a Covid-19 vaccine.
Merck currently has advised AGAINST using Ivermectin for Covid-19

It doesn't want to get sued if things don't go right....
Its too cheap to make much money from so don't need to push it.
Cya... For a low profit product.

Can't get sued if someone intentionally misuses it
Cheap used in large quantities adds up
They could have simply remained silent

Ivermectin is off patent and available on generic form.

In the meantime Merck was able to attract 1.2B in Govt funding to develop a new patented drug, that they now have first to mkt advantage on.

Having a new drug whose development was paid for, means 10+ years high value sales, that are globally protected.

[aaron17]

Whether a treatment exist, they will always push the vaccine. Their mindset is the same with yearly flu.

But I quote from this....

https://www.healthline.com/health/1918-flu-pandemic-facts#8.-Widespread-immunization-ended-the-pandemic

'8. Widespread immunization ended the pandemic(claim)

Immunization against the flu as we know it today was not practiced in 1918, and thus played no role in ending the pandemic.

Exposure to prior strains of the flu may have offered some protection. For example, soldiers who had served in the military for years suffered lower rates of death than new recruits.

In addition, the rapidly mutating virus likely evolved over time into less lethal strains. This is predicted by models of natural selection. Because highly lethal strains kill their host rapidly, they cannot spread as easily as less lethal strains.'

[redmanjp]

did the 1918 flu affect Trinidad? any records exist?

[adnj]

Whether a treatment exist, they will always push the vaccine. Their mindset is the same with yearly flu.

But I quote from this....

https://www.healthline.com/health/1918-flu-pandemic-facts#8.-Widespread-immunization-ended-the-pandemic

'8. Widespread immunization ended the pandemic(claim)

Immunization against the flu as we know it today was not practiced in 1918, and thus played no role in ending the pandemic.

Exposure to prior strains of the flu may have offered some protection. For example, soldiers who had served in the military for years suffered lower rates of death than new recruits.

In addition, the rapidly mutating virus likely evolved over time into less lethal strains. This is predicted by models of natural selection. Because highly lethal strains kill their host rapidly, they cannot spread as easily as less lethal strains.'

You just took a quote out of context from an article about people that believe in myths regarding the 1918 influenza pandemic. Here's the Story's introduction - which is not reflected in your post.

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The “Greatest Pandemic in History” Was 100 Years Ago – But Many of Us Still Get the Basic Facts Wrong
This year marks the 100th anniversary of the great influenza pandemic of 1918. Between 50 and 100 million people are thought to have died, representing as much as 5 percent of the world’s population. Half a billion people were infected.

Especially remarkable was the 1918 flu’s predilection for taking the lives of otherwise healthy young adults, as opposed to children and the elderly, who usually suffer most. Some have called it the greatest pandemic in history.

The 1918 flu pandemic has been a regular subject of speculation over the last century. Historians and scientists have advanced numerous hypotheses regarding its origin, spread and consequences. As a result, many of us harbor misconceptions about it.

By correcting these 10 myths, we can better understand what actually happened and learn how to prevent and mitigate such disasters in the future.

[st7]

better than that aaron... u moving like an antivaxxer

[aaron17]

So what is the truth?
My word still stands ..vaccines will be first and treatments if any ....second

[adnj]

So what is the truth?
My word still stands ..vaccines will be first and treatments if any ....second

There were no vaccines until 225 years ago. There were no medicines at all before about 5000 years ago. For 300,000 years, modern humans did just fine with their own natural immune system. In the Nineteenth century, life expectancy was 32; today life expectancy is about 72.

Vaccines (and basic health care), hygiene and nutrition help everyone to live a longer life on average. If you don't want medicines, don't take them. Have your kids early and don't worry about retirement. You'll have a good 50 years.

[timelapse]

Tide pods contain Ivermectin.
Smash u know Zentel does the same thing right?

It might do the same ting, but it's thr different thing I taking it for.


Taking zentel for covid is like using ur gate remote on the TV. Yes it's a remote but, ur the additional features ur looking for.

You cannot prove that Zentel doesn't do the same thing or better.There are no studies that prove otherwise.#antimectin logic

[PariaMan]

It’s about carrying one another’s burden
 Vaccination should be part of an informed choice

Dr Vedavid Manick Sangre Grande

 

Oct 7, 2021 Updated 1 hr

I appreciate the position taken by Mr Kev­in Baldeosingh on the reasons why he will not get vaccinated against Covid-19. I respect his personal choice and do not seek to change it.
However, given that these views can influence others, my duty as a healthcare professional on the frontline of this pandemic is to provide counter-arguments to help others make an informed choice. Here are my responses to the arguments stated.
Medical and statistical:

It is correct that the most significant impact of Covid-19 in morbidity and mortality is among the elderly and those with co-morbidities. Ioannidis et al analysed population data early in the pandemic and noted that mortality rates among healthy persons below age 65 ranged between 0.6 and 2.6 per cent. In other words, among every 1,000 healthy persons below the age of 65, six to 26 persons will unfortunately die. This is indeed a lower risk than older persons, but it is not zero risk.

Cunningham et al followed 3,222 patients of ages 18 to 34 in the US population and showed that one-fifth required intensive care, one-tenth required mechanical ventilation, and unfortunately, 2.7 per cent (28 in 1,000 persons) died. The analysed data quoted did not consider the dreaded Delta variant, which we know can significantly affect younger, healthier persons.
Mortality data does not consider the impact on the quality of life among survivors of Covid-19. Studies among young persons with the virus showed that one in two to one in seven persons continued to suffer from long-Covid syndromes more than 15 weeks after contracting it.
So can a Covid-19 vaccine benefit a younger person without co-morbidities? Unvaccinated persons are four times more likely to get the virus, ten times more likely to get hospitalised, and 11 times more likely to die from the disease. Even in Trinidad and Tobago, this data corresponds with intern­ational experience, with 95.5 per cent of persons in the parallel health system being unvaccinated.

Vaccination also reduces the risk of Covid-­related morbidity. A study of Kings College London suggests reports of contin­ued symptoms of long-Covid syndromes were cut by almost 50 per cent. These risks exceed significant complications like thrombosis with the AstraZeneca vaccine, which stands at 1.6 in every 100,000 persons. One may choose not to get vaccinated based on a potential (but not unknown) risk. However, by choosing to remain unvaccinated, persons still subject themselves to the dangers of Covid-19, which has affected at least one in every 28 citizens in Trinidad and Tobago.
Ethical:
It is correct that vaccinated persons can still contract Covid-19 and, unfortunately, become potential transmitters to others. However, it is incorrect to say that choo­sing vaccination does not protect others theoretically and based on real-world data. Theoretically, vaccinated persons contain the virus better, thus having lower viral shedding rates, which means lower transmission rates.

Public Health England, in April 2021, reported in a large study involving 365,000 households that infected vaccinated individuals were half as likely to pass on the virus to others compared to unvaccinated persons. As recently as September 2021, the New England Journal of Medicine reported a study involving 144,525 ­healthcare workers, which showed lower transmission rates to other household members of vaccinated health workers than unvaccinated health workers.
Given the historical and scientific data related to Covid-19 vaccinations, it is unethical for health authorities and scientists not to advocate vaccination. Herd immunity—the concept of a population with baseline immunity to protect more vulnerable persons through reduced transmission rates—can be achieved either by data-driven vaccination or by allowing the virus to spread unchecked in the population. Given the morbidity and mortality previously quoted, the latter is unethical, and I dare say if the medical and scientific community chose to do nothing, we would have been accused of genocide.

I do not disagree with everything Mr Baldeosingh says. We can do more to allow persons to make informed choices. Persons should be able to have more effortless one-on-one conversations with health profession­als. Every concern, as trivial as it may be seen, should be treated seriously and openly. This will undoubtedly go a long way in reducing mistrust persons have in healthcare professionals at this time.
Covid-19 is here to stay, and almost two years on, we need enlightened solutions to allow citizens to return to normal livelihoods without putting themselves and others at risk. Vaccination seems to provide that avenue, but I am sure alternatives can be suggested. Such conversations will be beneficial to us all.

[coltspeed]

Not an antyvaxher, i support it for the comorbis ppl, just sharing an experience.
Close relative working amongst an entire fully vaxed staff in south since the available rollouts began, about 85% female staffed company ages ranging from late 20's to late 50's. Since then they periodically fall ill, doctors visits, early leave from bad feeling like abdominal pains, extended menstrual cycles, loss of feeling in arms & legs, unbearable migraines. Everyone took their vax of choice. Those who hid reactions fainted. All of them had no previous symptoms before being vaxed.
Not sure if anyone else is experiencing this elsewhere in other work spaces. Also i hope people present their proper medical records to their side the road private doctors to get proper consultation.