COVID-19 in Trinidad & Tobago (Local Updates & Discussions Only)

[daring dragoon]

The spike came since they started the vaccination drive. The vaccine is the killer not the covid itself. People die from the regalar flu but whatever they injecting you with is what killing you an mimicing a bad flu.

[daring dragoon]

What an age.
Happy birthday to the best Prime Minister.
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sellout PM.

Patrick Manning was the best and should carry the title "true father of the nation" every time his make is called. all bas build was an airport and it in court since then. Patrick manning buile NAPPA/SAPPA to bring culture to trinidadians, build big buildings in pos, expand SFGH, was pushing trains 2 and 3 for LNG and Methanol and dont talk about the smelter plant. if it was build we could have eff away with oil by now. he was a man with a vision.

[ST Auto]

Source?

The spike came since they started the vaccination drive. The vaccine is the killer not the covid itself. People die from the regalar flu but whatever they injecting you with is what killing you an mimicing a bad flu.

[ST Auto]

How this thread even reach to this?

Kamla organize and pay for all them people to come out for vigils and still can't get people to vote for her

[Chimera]

With regards to substandard masks or useless masks
I can guarantee you that plenty sheit is being sold locally

I imported a big batch of masks last year in March or April
This was a time when the non woven fabric/filter that was needed to make medical grade masks was a shortage and the difference between in price between a medical mask and a non medical mask was $1000%
Like 50 cents for a non medical mask landed and $5 for a medical mask before it even leave China.

The suppliers gave you the option to buy it with or without the filter. Basically the difference between medical and dust mask

This was a time when masks were being seized if they passed through the USA because usa was taking all the medical supplies

And even to get medical supplies out of China you had to label it as something else and pay some facilitation fees
This was when masks were $500 to $1000 a box locally.


Alottttt of suppliers locally were selling dust masks as medical masks.
Even now....Plenty of those cloth masks useless
And ppl not properly using mask

Covid must spread .

[Chimera]

Endless shitty masks.

[pugboy]

^^^^once you masked as per protocols you safe bro
forget what type of mask or how it worn, that is the stupidity of this mask thing

I prefer to just keep distance from ppl and avoid indoor settings and dont cross paths of persons in grocery etc. I always walk watching an imaginary exhalation cloud of persons nearby.

[Chimera]

The reason locally they told people it safe to wear cloth masks is because it was becoming hard to get medical masks for health workers. It have a major difference between a proper 3 ply or n95 mask and a cloth mask with no filter or a non medical mask.

[pugboy]

and at the start they said masks should only be worn by medical staff
I remember terry talking with such confidence

The reason locally they told people it safe to wear cloth masks is because it was becoming hard to get medical masks for health workers. It have a major difference between a proper 3 ply or n95 mask and a cloth mask with no filter or a non medical mask.

[Chimera]

Yes.
Because everyone else was buying medical masks and the price skyrocketed and the supply dried up overnight

A box of 50 3ply masks was 30 to 50$
That went to 200 to 500 to 1000 per box within a week.

[Kenjo]

The spike came since they started the vaccination drive. The vaccine is the killer not the covid itself. People die from the regalar flu but whatever they injecting you with is what killing you an mimicing a bad flu.

Boom

[Kenjo]

The reason locally they told people it safe to wear cloth masks is because it was becoming hard to get medical masks for health workers. It have a major difference between a proper 3 ply or n95 mask and a cloth mask with no filter or a non medical mask.

Internationally too , it was not Trinidad and Tobago alone made the cloth mask request initially

[adnj]

The reason locally they told people it safe to wear cloth masks is because it was becoming hard to get medical masks for health workers. It have a major difference between a proper 3 ply or n95 mask and a cloth mask with no filter or a non medical mask.

Internationally too , it was not Trinidad and Tobago alone made the cloth mask request initially

Well made cloth masks can work. But a sh!tty cloth mask, or sh!tty counterfeit N95 mask, or a mask hanging under your jaw, does not.

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Cloth face coverings can be as effective as surgical masks at protecting against COVID-19, study finds

Date:April 28, 2021
Source:University of Surrey

Summary:Researchers have found that well-fitting, three-layered cloth masks can be as effective at reducing the transmission of COVID-19 as surgical masks.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 113723.htm

[sMASH]

Kamla organize and pay for all them people to come out for vigils and still can't get people to vote for her

she pay them to riot in PoS last year too.

[Chimera]

You see they talking about well made 3 layer cloth masks.
The middle layer suppose to be the filter material

[widdyphuck]

This loser of a Prime Minister really right in his head?
I telling you guys COVID-19 killing the wrong people.

[sMASH]

any body who ever work with a filter, knows and understands that filters only work for so long. after a while they get filled or break and stop filtering.

the cloth masks do not have the pore size to 'filter' the covid particle. what it does, is it presents a free path barrier,,, a maze, for the particle to face, instead of a straight path into the airways.
so before it has has chance to make its way through the mesh, u would finish exhaling.

but, just like even the best of filters get exhausted, the same WILL happen to a cloth mask that isnt even sized for covid particles, but even sooner.
eventually ur cloth mask WILL get saturated with covid particles, and will reach the inner surface of the mask. at that time, u will be inhaling an concentrated amount of virus particle.


if ur using mask, u wil have to change to a fresh clean one frequently, and even more so for a cloth mask that isnt sized for covid particles.

that cloth mask only useful if ur briefly interacting with a person, not a medical barrier to fulfill a whole work day or school day.



and the ONLY reason why cloth masks were recommended was to ease the demand on the n95 so that actual frontliners could get them.


eventually, they did studies to show that cloth mask work, but its no substitute for a n95 and not meant for any duration.

[MaxPower]

Kamla did have a part to play and she had a motive.

Now i cannot say how Andrea affected her as a woman and i giver her that, but it is clear that knowing the individual there WOULD have been some sort of political gain involved.

If Kamla did not get involve, our PM would not be wrongfully accusing and blaming the peaceful vigils. This is very unfair to them.

Shame on you Kamla for causing this and i will never vote for you again.

But friends, we have to admit that there was little social distancing.

So to be fair…the reason for the spread is from Easter rave, illegal immigrants, Quarantine breeches, and typical irresponsible behavior i.e - KFC, beaching, weddingd and zessing….and well the vigils have to take some blame as well….and dont feel Kamal and Rowley getting away.

We cannot change what has happened, we have to stop blaming and do the right thing.

Wear proper masks and wear them correctly, wash your hands properly with effective solutions, sanitize and keep your distances.

[pugboy]

the main benefit of a cloth mask is it prevents a person from exhaling strongly outwards so reduces some aerosol spread, their exhaled cloud will be a little smaller

and it reduces the intake sucking speed of the wearers inhalation so you are potentially less likely to suck in air from further away(somebody else's exhaled germ cloud)
think less powerful vacuum

note this has absolutely nothing to do with filtering our virus germ particles....

all of this is moot if you still in close proximity to a person whilst wearing masks regardless of type.
so avoid persons who claim "but we were wearing masks" , "we following protocols"

[adnj]

You see they talking about well made 3 layer cloth masks.
The middle layer suppose to be the filter material

Not quite. Household fabrics were tested.

From the study:

"Our model predicts that multilayered masks made from standard household fabrics should provide comparable filtration performance to surgical masks under ideal conditions, though practical mask performance crucially depends on the fit. We conclude that for many three-layered cloth masks capture of droplets larger than ≳3 μm is highly effective. For smaller (0.1 to 3 μm) droplets, the efficacy is dependent on the type of material from which the face covering is comprised, but some materials can achieve excellent protection (≥95%) for ≳1μm droplets, which is comparable to surgical masks."

https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0047622

[widdyphuck]

Month end is this week but you have to wait a next month to get your grant to eat. Prepare yourself for the revolution.

[2WNBoost]

Cloth masks reduces the virus load that the wearer emits and helps curb the spread of the virus.
FYI: Medical masks are worn for the protection of the patients and not the medical staff. That’s why medical professionals would double mask.
If you want personal protection then wear Personal Protection Equipment like a respirator and sealed goggles.
Please don’t use this forum to spread misinformation.

[sMASH]

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/223/4/550/6009483

Abstract
Background

While risk of outdoor transmission of respiratory viral infections is hypothesized to be low, there are limited data on SARS-CoV-2 transmission in outdoor compared to indoor settings.
Methods

We conducted a systematic review of peer-reviewed papers indexed in PubMed, EMBASE, and Web of Science and preprints in Europe PMC through 12 August 2020 that described cases of human transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Reports of other respiratory virus transmission were included for reference.
Results

Five identified studies found a low proportion of reported global SARS-CoV-2 infections occurred outdoors (<10%) and the odds of indoor transmission was very high compared to outdoors (18.7 times; 95% confidence interval, 6.0–57.9). Five studies described influenza transmission outdoors and 2 adenovirus transmission outdoors. There was high heterogeneity in study quality and individual definitions of outdoor settings, which limited our ability to draw conclusions about outdoor transmission risks. In general, factors such as duration and frequency of personal contact, lack of personal protective equipment, and occasional indoor gathering during a largely outdoor experience were associated with outdoor reports of infection.
Conclusions

Existing evidence supports the wide-held belief that risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission is lower outdoors but there are significant gaps in our understanding of specific pathways.

[sMASH]

Cloth masks reduces the virus load that the wearer emits and helps curb the spread of the virus.
FYI: Medical masks are worn for the protection of the patients and not the medical staff. That’s why medical professionals would double mask.
If you want personal protection then wear Personal Protection Equipment like a respirator and sealed goggles.
Please don’t use this forum to spread misinformation.

reducing the viral load yes. but enough for continuous occupancy of a room. only enough for brief interactions.

putting people to work for long durations with only cloth mask is hazardous.

[2WNBoost]

^^ Agreed. Being in an office for 8 hours every day is putting people at risk.
My comments were in reference to the talk about standardisation of cloth masks. That can’t happen as there isn’t the manufacturing capacity to provide proper protection for everyone.
Your best bet is to buy a good reusable mask that offers N95 level protection.
There are options out there.
People just need to decide how much their health is worth to them.

It’s all about risk management: Would you ride a motorcycle without a helmet?

[sMASH]

i dont ride motorcycles period. they are super cool, but too much risk that cant be mitigated.

[Gladiator]

It's more of a placebo than anything...

any body who ever work with a filter, knows and understands that filters only work for so long. after a while they get filled or break and stop filtering.

the cloth masks do not have the pore size to 'filter' the covid particle. what it does, is it presents a free path barrier,,, a maze, for the particle to face, instead of a straight path into the airways.
so before it has has chance to make its way through the mesh, u would finish exhaling.

but, just like even the best of filters get exhausted, the same WILL happen to a cloth mask that isnt even sized for covid particles, but even sooner.
eventually ur cloth mask WILL get saturated with covid particles, and will reach the inner surface of the mask. at that time, u will be inhaling an concentrated amount of virus particle.


if ur using mask, u wil have to change to a fresh clean one frequently, and even more so for a cloth mask that isnt sized for covid particles.

that cloth mask only useful if ur briefly interacting with a person, not a medical barrier to fulfill a whole work day or school day.



and the ONLY reason why cloth masks were recommended was to ease the demand on the n95 so that actual frontliners could get them.


eventually, they did studies to show that cloth mask work, but its no substitute for a n95 and not meant for any duration.

[2WNBoost]

Halo Life Mask has a buy 1 get 1 free sale on now

[Grudge]

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[redmanjp]

It's more of a placebo than anything...

any body who ever work with a filter, knows and understands that filters only work for so long. after a while they get filled or break and stop filtering.

the cloth masks do not have the pore size to 'filter' the covid particle. what it does, is it presents a free path barrier,,, a maze, for the particle to face, instead of a straight path into the airways.
so before it has has chance to make its way through the mesh, u would finish exhaling.

but, just like even the best of filters get exhausted, the same WILL happen to a cloth mask that isnt even sized for covid particles, but even sooner.
eventually ur cloth mask WILL get saturated with covid particles, and will reach the inner surface of the mask. at that time, u will be inhaling an concentrated amount of virus particle.


if ur using mask, u wil have to change to a fresh clean one frequently, and even more so for a cloth mask that isnt sized for covid particles.

that cloth mask only useful if ur briefly interacting with a person, not a medical barrier to fulfill a whole work day or school day.



and the ONLY reason why cloth masks were recommended was to ease the demand on the n95 so that actual frontliners could get them.


eventually, they did studies to show that cloth mask work, but its no substitute for a n95 and not meant for any duration.

cloth masks did work to flatten the curve for a few months from September up until February. the main reason is to prevent spread FROM the wearer. protecting the wearer was never the primary purpose, although it reduces viral load.

but it isn't enough wrt variants like P1 - we now need double masks or KN95.