After the pandemic-How the world will change and dealings with China

[88sins]

watch the whole thing if you want, but pay particular attention from 7:42

[maj. tom]

Colonization and rape of Africa's resources part deux. 100 years later it's the same game, different face.

[88sins]

u unnastan
The players change, so do the tactics, but the game remains the same.

[The_Honourable]

It was Australia all week, now China vex with the Netherlands

[Redman]

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china ... l-bailouts

Borrow 1000 the bank owns you
borrow 143B-Africa could throw its weight around.
And given the global sentiment-they might get through.

[Cantmis]

https://youtu.be/kTh329nrfOs

[88sins]

I telling you, China's bungling of how they mishandled this virus and then their blatant deceptions, withholding information, spin tactics, attempts to profit from the global economic havoc this thing caused by buying crashed commodities and selling substandard products, and now their attempts at redirecting blame and trying to bully nations around the world have every country watching them very differently now. Watching their responses (not believing a word out of their mouths) and their actions and inactions, with everything.

There will be increased tensions between African nations and China going forward, since now most African nations and people realizing what they about. Only question is how long will it build for before either coming to a head and erupting into a breakdown in diplomatic relations or fizzling out to nothing.

[The_Honourable]

Good reporting by Sky News Australia.

The world is searching for the origins of the deadly coronavirus as global economies desperately try to survive the fallout of mass isolation.

SPECIAL REPORT: Evidence builds coronavirus came from a Chinese lab

[adnj]

In China, a Struggling America Looks Like ‘The Disaster Flick of 2020’

Two months ago, Chinese citizens took to social media to vent frustration with their own government. Now they’re doing it to laugh at Washington.

As coronavirus has spread outward from its Wuhan origins, the Chinese government has worked hard to spin an initial embarrassment into a win for its international image, with mixed success. But to Chinese authorities, the audience at home is the one that really matters, and among that vast cohort, the verdict is unsparing: China has outperformed, while America has disastrously faltered. It’s a sentiment shared by even educated, internationalized Chinese observers — the very group once inclined to look to America as an exemplar.

Since Trump’s late March declaration, each day has brought a fresh batch of horrific news seemingly tailor-made to highlight American weakness. Thousands online marked the grim and growing U.S. infection and death tolls, billionaire Jack Ma’s pledged donation of 500,000 testing kits, the number of New York City police officers who have called in sick during the lockdown, and New York state’s purchase of over 1,000 ventilators from China. On April 28, after the number of confirmed U.S. coronavirus cases topped 1 million, the Weibo account of state-run China Central Television trumpeted the news with an eye-grabbing graphic.

One popular comment professed “astonishment” at seeing America as “narrow, self-interested, buck-passing; not the world’s number one.” Another declared the U.S. response “the disaster flick of 2020.” And those ventilators? “Jack up the price,” went one popular response. “Then make sure they pay before delivery.”

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ ... ter-221741

[hydroep]

'Australia is chewing gum on the boot of China': Influential Chinese figure maintains Australia's call for independent coronavirus inquiry a hostile and divisive act

The Aussies eh like that atall...

https://9now.nine.com.au/60-minutes/china-australia-tensions-after-calls-for-independent-coronavirus-inquiry-60-minutes-exclusive-interview/cb9c7139-e974-439e-b47b-0f0a6df37c7a

[redmanjp]

[De Dragon]

Colonization and rape of Africa's resources part deux. 100 years later it's the same game, different face.

Before we cast aspersions, we should all look a little closer to home and realize that our nuts are a large part in Chinese hands as well. When you owe them that kind of money, they will demand not only repayment on their terms, but the conditions for the project that you borrowed it for Look at the Port-of-Spain HDC sheitstorm that exploded not so long ago. How many contracts had those exact conditions but we never knew?

[adnj]

China Considers Dropping Numerical GDP Growth Target For 2020


May 06 2020, 3:23 PM IST

May 07 2020, 5:17 PM IST

(Bloomberg) --

The world’s second-largest economy is on track for its worst performance in the post-Mao era, as the impact of shutdowns to curb the disease outbreak at home is compounded by a slump in global demand as the pandemic spreads. That has left the leadership with the choice of setting an uncomfortably low growth target, an unrealistically high one, or skipping it altogether.

Such a move would free up policy makers from the obligation to issue significant stimulus to meet a certain growth level as long as employment remains stable. While China has announced credit easing policies, tax breaks and additional spending plans, the efforts are still targeted and more moderate compared with other major economies. The leadership’s caution is driven by fears of another debt blowout after total borrowing ballooned after the global financial crisis.

Full-year economic growth will likely slow to 1.8%, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg. It’d be the first time for Chinese leaders not to issue a numerical growth target in at least two decades.



https://www.bloombergquint.com/global-e ... t-for-2020

[88sins]

I getting the sinking sensation that multiple nations will try to reduce imports from & discourage outsourcing of labor to China by the end of this. America already taking improved self sufficieny & resurrecting the old Made in the U.S.A. model , Australia getting peeved about China's threats, insults & bullying attempts, African nations pissed about how the Chinese percieve & treat Africn people, among other nations.
Worst case scenario,they might just have to watch their estimated GDP growth projections either flatline or sink deep below their projections into the negative numbers.

[The_Honourable]

In China, a Struggling America Looks Like ‘The Disaster Flick of 2020’

Two months ago, Chinese citizens took to social media to vent frustration with their own government. Now they’re doing it to laugh at Washington.

Keep in mind that the Communist Party of China manages all social media including Weibo in China. They clamped down harder during the covid pandemic. Since the chinese government is spreading disinformation, anti-american posts especially with tensions between America and China rising would be promoted.

[adnj]

Trump's incompetent response to the US coronavirus outbreak is helping China look good

Alexandra Ma

May 9, 2020, 5:53 AM

Business Insider

President Donald Trump has overseen a chaotic response to the US coronavirus outbreak, downplaying its severity and repeatedly changing his stance on China.

This is undermining US authority to criticize how China handled the initial outbreak, which began in Wuhan.

China has capitalized on this, with state media and government officials highlighting the US inconsistencies and saying it is "hid[ing] their incompetence by blaming China."

There are signs that the Chinese public — the Communist Party's most important audience — is also losing trust in the US.

China's Communist Party has in recent weeks embarked on an expansive propaganda campaign to recoup its public image as the coronavirus ravages much of the world.

Its efforts have included sending medical equipment around the world and injecting hundreds of millions of dollars into the World Health Organization, from which the US has withheld funding.

But the biggest help in this propaganda push could just be President Donald Trump.

Trump has stumbled through the coronavirus outbreak, overseeing what has become the world's largest outbreak and, in a particularly low moment, suggesting people inject disinfectant into their bodies to heal themselves.

This chaotic response is making China look good.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... nda-2020-5

[jahs0ldi3r]

Trump's incompetent response to the US coronavirus outbreak is helping China look good

Alexandra Ma

May 9, 2020, 5:53 AM

Business Insider

President Donald Trump has overseen a chaotic response to the US coronavirus outbreak, downplaying its severity and repeatedly changing his stance on China.

This is undermining US authority to criticize how China handled the initial outbreak, which began in Wuhan.

China has capitalized on this, with state media and government officials highlighting the US inconsistencies and saying it is "hid[ing] their incompetence by blaming China."

There are signs that the Chinese public — the Communist Party's most important audience — is also losing trust in the US.

China's Communist Party has in recent weeks embarked on an expansive propaganda campaign to recoup its public image as the coronavirus ravages much of the world.

Its efforts have included sending medical equipment around the world and injecting hundreds of millions of dollars into the World Health Organization, from which the US has withheld funding.

But the biggest help in this propaganda push could just be President Donald Trump.

Trump has stumbled through the coronavirus outbreak, overseeing what has become the world's largest outbreak and, in a particularly low moment, suggesting people inject disinfectant into their bodies to heal themselves.

This chaotic response is making China look good.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... nda-2020-5

Go back into the archives. When trump was calling for ban of flights from China very early on, he was blocked by dems and deep state, now that it has taken hold, the same people are calling him out on failing to respond in time.

Most people have the attention span of a goldfish, so they won't remember, and keep repeating the latest talking point presented to them by mainstream media, even if they were told the exact opposite the day before..

Pathetic!

It's a war against humanity by the new world order one world government pushers and y'all busy panicking and screaming trump, trump, trump.

Foolish!

[88sins]

Say what you will, but its impossible to deny the idiot in chief has changed the way many Americans view who's running for office, who they elect for president and why. Many Republicans would prefer ANYONE other than the Donald, because he actually has no idea about how their political systems work or his role in it, much less anything else.
"Only the President can tell the states when to reopen. The President's authority is total, I'll send you a legal brief" and massive backpedal afterward.

[adnj]

Go back into the archives. When trump was calling for ban of flights from China very early on, he was blocked by dems and deep state, now that it has taken hold, the same people are calling him out on failing to respond in time.

Most people have the attention span of a goldfish, so they won't remember, and keep repeating the latest talking point presented to them by mainstream media, even if they were told the exact opposite the day before..

Pathetic!

It's a war against humanity by the new world order one world government pushers and y'all busy panicking and screaming trump, trump, trump.

Foolish!

For perspective, the U.S. measure went into effect after Italy on Jan. 31 suspended all flights to and from China, but it happened before South Korea’s entry restriction that started Feb. 4.

There are many ways to slice the numbers on travel restrictions, said Alex Nowrasteh, director of immigration studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. In a March 23 blog post, Nowrasteh estimated that at least 36 other countries imposed travel restrictions on people coming from China around the same time as the United States.

“Some countries, for instance, began forcing Chinese nationals to get a visa around this time whereas before they were allowed visa-free entry,” Nowrasteh said. “That’s an additional travel restriction, but a less onerous one than that imposed by President Trump.”

Nowrasteh agreed that the United States’ restriction wasn’t far behind from others.

“There are many points on which to criticize the Trump administration’s response to COVID-19, but they were not slow in instituting a travel ban on China,” Nowrasteh said. “The real question is whether that restriction worked and there is little evidence to suggest that it did.”

Global health specialists told Kaiser Health News that there is little to no evidence that Trump’s restrictions restrained COVID-19, because they came too late and didn’t have the follow-up necessary to make a real dent.


https://www.statesman.com/news/20200413 ... from-china

[shogun]

Go back into the archives. When trump was calling for ban of flights from China very early on, he was blocked by dems and deep state, now that it has taken hold, the same people are calling him out on failing to respond in time.

Most people have the attention span of a goldfish, so they won't remember, and keep repeating the latest talking point presented to them by mainstream media, even if they were told the exact opposite the day before..

Pathetic!

It's a war against humanity by the new world order one world government pushers and y'all busy panicking and screaming trump, trump, trump.

Foolish!

Blocked by Dems? Deep State? And you throwin' out "talking point" accusations, when yours are literally the talking points handed to FOX News via Trump's mouth? I still don't understand how always screaming "deep state" and "everyone hating on Trump" whenever Trump gets the slightest criticism is any better, or less tired and beaten to death?

Dude, most major airlines had already suspended flights to China prior to the announcement on Jan. 31, following the lead of several major international carriers that had stopped due to the coronavirus outbreak. Delta, American and United cited a sharp drop in demand for the flights, and an earlier State Department advisory told Americans not to travel to China because of the outbreak. Also, Trump’s order did not fully “close” the U.S. off to China. It temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled into China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Do you have the slightest clue how many people exposed to the virus had already been traveling internationally without being detected?

How was he "blocked by Dems" BTW? Interesting how all Trump stans quick with the exact same deflection tactics and talking points when Trump gets any criticism.

[The_Honourable]

Is China facing a global backlash against coronavirus?



African nations unite against China



Vietnam stands up to China



The UN and the WHO is completely ‘under the influence’ of Communist China



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China faces wave of calls for debt relief on ‘Belt and Road’ projects

China has received a wave of applications for debt relief from crisis-hit countries included in the “Belt and Road Initiative” as coronavirus strains the world’s biggest development programme. 

Chinese policy advisers and bankers told the Financial Times that Beijing was considering a number of responses, including the suspension of interest payments on loans from the country’s financial institutions. But they also warned against expectations that China would forgive debts outright.

China releases few of the financial details in BRI infrastructure projects. But RWR Advisory, a Washington-based consultancy, estimated that total announced lending by Chinese financial institutions to BRI projects since 2013 was $461bn. Even allowing for the low completion rates of announced projects, such a sum makes the BRI by far the biggest development initiative in the world.

Several of the countries that have applied to Beijing for debt relief are understood to be in Africa, where the Chinese government, banks and contractors have lent $143bn between 2000 and 2017, according to the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. 

https://www.ft.com/content/5a3192be-27c ... d4158bd39b

[De Dragon]

Trump's incompetent response to the US coronavirus outbreak is helping China look good

Alexandra Ma

May 9, 2020, 5:53 AM

Business Insider

President Donald Trump has overseen a chaotic response to the US coronavirus outbreak, downplaying its severity and repeatedly changing his stance on China.

This is undermining US authority to criticize how China handled the initial outbreak, which began in Wuhan.

China has capitalized on this, with state media and government officials highlighting the US inconsistencies and saying it is "hid[ing] their incompetence by blaming China."

There are signs that the Chinese public — the Communist Party's most important audience — is also losing trust in the US.

China's Communist Party has in recent weeks embarked on an expansive propaganda campaign to recoup its public image as the coronavirus ravages much of the world.

Its efforts have included sending medical equipment around the world and injecting hundreds of millions of dollars into the World Health Organization, from which the US has withheld funding.

But the biggest help in this propaganda push could just be President Donald Trump.

Trump has stumbled through the coronavirus outbreak, overseeing what has become the world's largest outbreak and, in a particularly low moment, suggesting people inject disinfectant into their bodies to heal themselves.

This chaotic response is making China look good.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... nda-2020-5

Go back into the archives. When trump was calling for ban of flights from China very early on, he was blocked by dems and deep state, now that it has taken hold, the same people are calling him out on failing to respond in time.

Most people have the attention span of a goldfish, so they won't remember, and keep repeating the latest talking point presented to them by mainstream media, even if they were told the exact opposite the day before..

Pathetic!

It's a war against humanity by the new world order one world government pushers and y'all busy panicking and screaming trump, trump, trump.

Foolish!

The one thing he did well for the entire crisis, BUT the virus was spreading rapidly in Europe at the time and they were not blocked.Then what happened after that? With the time allegedly gained by that move Trump did zilch! Dems, Deep state block? Not even close.

[adnj]

The Latest U.S. Blow To China's Huawei Could Knock Out Its Global 5G Plans

May 28, 202011:49 AM ET


The Trump administration issued tough export rules this month, which analysts say could spell a death knell for Huawei's worldwide mobile network ambitions.


The United States put up another major roadblock this month against Huawei, as China's big telecommunications company moves to set up the latest 5G mobile networks worldwide.

On May 19, the Commerce Department issued new export rules to choke off Huawei's access to semiconductor chips it needs to build cellphones and 5G infrastructure.

The new controls ban chipmakers — mostly based in South Korea and Taiwan — from using U.S. machines and software to manufacture semiconductors for Huawei. That closes a loophole that had allowed semiconductor makers to continue to sell components and designs to Huawei as long as they were made outside the U.S.

Analysts say this latest move likely spells a death knell for Huawei's global ambitions by freezing out the Chinese company from fundamental semiconductor technology and by raising the costs for hundreds of countries that were relying on Huawei components for their 5G expansion plans, including many in Europe. The new restrictions dramatically raise the stakes in the ongoing battle for technological superiority between the U.S. and China.


https://www.npr.org/2020/05/28/86265864 ... l-5g-plans

[redmanjp]

is bmobile or digicel using huawei for 5G?

[redmanjp]

Maybe trump is the hero we need but don't deserve......

on one hand he initially dismissed the virus threat until March- but on the other he did block travel from China early on, which he was initially criticized for- would a Democrat president have done the same thing early which was considered xenophobic by Democrats, considering that back in January no one, even the media in the US initially thought it was serious?
and if not, how many imported cases of the virus would there have been and how many locally acquired cases wuld it have caused, especially considering that CDC screwed up the tests which caused the US valuable time to keep any outbreak under control?

[Cantmis]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/30/worl ... order.html

[Arcmanov]

is bmobile or digicel using huawei for 5G?

Almost all of TSTT's backend network infrastructure (for 4G LTE, and now 5G) was provided by Huawei.

[matr1x]

is bmobile or digicel using huawei for 5G?

Almost all of TSTT's backend network infrastructure (for 4G LTE, and now 5G) was provided by Huawei.

Which is why its garbage

[Blaze d Chalice]

Strangely enough many hard working African people (from Africa) say despite the Covid blaming, they still rather go to China/Japan/Asian countries than America because even though they might cuss them and call them derogatory names in their native language, they prefer that, than being shot/killed.