Curepe Taxi fares To Increase From 28/2/2020

[foots]

but how much that rail system cost?

Can't put a cost of what the UK rail system cost, cause it's been there for over 150 years. They just keep upgrading it as the years goes by.

If PNM had kept our rail and did the same as the UK by upgrading then we would have had better transportation.

The only reason why PNM killed our existing rail was because of car dealers and taxi drivers

I will say it more simply for you...

There isn't enough of a population on this island to support a rail system of any significance.

What studies show this?

Lots of info out there correlating population size and density versus light rail cost and success.

Suffice to say that everything that you said is wrong regarding rail and guided vehicles for mass transit.

You will conclude with adequate research that:

.. Age of the investment does not affect overall costs much.
.. Population density is a crucial measure of success.
.. Subsidies are required for nearly every system.
.. About 28,000 ppl/sq mi (45 ppl/acre) is the about minimum population density for success.

Once 28,000 ppl/sq mi has been reached, light rail makes sense because of the productivity gains for the work force. It appears that by comparison San Fernando has a density of only 6700 ppl/sq mi. Trinidad has a population density that is one-tenth of that.

You talking the truth adnj. Our population density is too low to support light rail.
Some urban planners will even say that the reason why our population density is so low, is because easy access to cars made it feasible for people to live far away from where they live and work (i.e in a sprawled out manner).

To make a rail system feasible here, the population density will have to increase (by allowing people to live closer to jobs/services for example - i.e live in a city setting). Trinis freak out when they hear that though, we stuck in the paradigm of living in a house with a 'green' yard miles away from work/play/services and having to drive every where for every single thing. So driving becomes mandatory for everyone in a low density setting - even bus schedules cant run as frequently or cost efficiently in a low density area. This makes our traffic problem get worse and worse, despite all the road expansion.

[rspann]

What road expansion?

[zoom rader]

but how much that rail system cost?

Can't put a cost of what the UK rail system cost, cause it's been there for over 150 years. They just keep upgrading it as the years goes by.

If PNM had kept our rail and did the same as the UK by upgrading then we would have had better transportation.

The only reason why PNM killed our existing rail was because of car dealers and taxi drivers

I will say it more simply for you...

There isn't enough of a population on this island to support a rail system of any significance.

What studies show this?

Lots of info out there correlating population size and density versus light rail cost and success.

Suffice to say that everything that you said is wrong regarding rail and guided vehicles for mass transit.

You will conclude with adequate research that:

.. Age of the investment does not affect overall costs much.
.. Population density is a crucial measure of success.
.. Subsidies are required for nearly every system.
.. About 28,000 ppl/sq mi (45 ppl/acre) is the about minimum population density for success.

Once 28,000 ppl/sq mi has been reached, light rail makes sense because of the productivity gains for the work force. It appears that by comparison San Fernando has a density of only 6700 ppl/sq mi. Trinidad has a population density that is one-tenth of that.

You talking the truth adnj. Our population density is too low to support light rail.
Some urban planners will even say that the reason why our population density is so low, is because easy access to cars made it feasible for people to live far away from where they live and work (i.e in a sprawled out manner).

To make a rail system feasible here, the population density will have to increase (by allowing people to live closer to jobs/services for example - i.e live in a city setting). Trinis freak out when they hear that though, we stuck in the paradigm of living in a house with a 'green' yard miles away from work/play/services and having to drive every where for every single thing. So driving becomes mandatory for everyone in a low density setting - even bus schedules cant run as frequently or cost efficiently in a low density area. This makes our traffic problem get worse and worse, despite all the road expansion.

Agian are you all saying that PNM was wrong to plan Rapid Rail?

[rspann]

What is the fare from Embacadere to Rienzi complex?

[foots]

To me, they were wrong to plan for a rapid rail. Woulda just be a big shiny waste of money. Unless they had some concurrent plan to encourage more high density living arrangements (to support the rapid rail).

[zoom rader]

To me, they were wrong to plan for a rapid rail. Woulda just be a big shiny waste of money. Unless they had some concurrent plan to encourage more high density living arrangements (to support the rapid rail).

You saying PNM wrong?

[zoom rader]

What is the fare from Embacadere to Rienzi complex?

Don't know, I live in San Do East

Talk to Arse wari he dem representative who they don't ever get to see

[adnj]

To me, they were wrong to plan for a rapid rail. Woulda just be a big shiny waste of money. Unless they had some concurrent plan to encourage more high density living arrangements (to support the rapid rail).

You saying PNM wrong?

Studies show that a 30 minute drive or a 15 minute walk (~3/4 mile) to or from work or school is about as much as most people will do.

45 ppl/acre works out to about 6 people per city lot or about 12 people per residential building because half of the city is nonresidential structures. The housing in Trinidad doesn't support population density that is that high.

The current paradigm is to "build a little house" and not buy or rent an apartment.

So foots is right. Trinidad is stuck with low density urban sprawl because of poor urban planning and individual wants. Neither is likely to change much in the next 30 years.

.. Want separate homes
.. Want large yards
.. Want their own cars
.. Want lower taxes

If you look at Puerto Rico's light rail system, you will see what is more likely for Trinidad. That system is only about 10 miles long, has low rider use, high costs and limited utility. Puerto Rico also has a similar population density when compared to Trinidad.

Whichever government dropped the ball on light rail implementation in Trinidad, go get a thick rug, get on your knees and give thanks to whatever god you believe in because you dodged a bullet.

[screwbash]

people paying the new fares or they tell the taxi men hyul dey MC ?

[nemisis]

You wrong there he there like every other week. If I didnt know better he bulling something down there

What is the fare from Embacadere to Rienzi complex?

Don't know, I live in San Do East

Talk to Arse wari he dem representative who they don't ever get to see

[zoom rader]

You wrong there he there like every other week. If I didnt know better he bulling something down there

What is the fare from Embacadere to Rienzi complex?

Don't know, I live in San Do East

Talk to Arse wari he dem representative who they don't ever get to see

You sure its not the other way around?

[De Dragon]

but how much that rail system cost?

Can't put a cost of what the UK rail system cost, cause it's been there for over 150 years. They just keep upgrading it as the years goes by.

If PNM had kept our rail and did the same as the UK by upgrading then we would have had better transportation.

The only reason why PNM killed our existing rail was because of car dealers and taxi drivers

I will say it more simply for you...

There isn't enough of a population on this island to support a rail system of any significance.

What studies show this?

Lots of info out there correlating population size and density versus light rail cost and success.

Suffice to say that everything that you said is wrong regarding rail and guided vehicles for mass transit.

You will conclude with adequate research that:

.. Age of the investment does not affect overall costs much.
.. Population density is a crucial measure of success.
.. Subsidies are required for nearly every system.
.. About 28,000 ppl/sq mi (45 ppl/acre) is the about minimum population density for success.

Once 28,000 ppl/sq mi has been reached, light rail makes sense because of the productivity gains for the work force. It appears that by comparison San Fernando has a density of only 6700 ppl/sq mi. Trinidad has a population density that is one-tenth of that.

You talking the truth adnj. Our population density is too low to support light rail.
Some urban planners will even say that the reason why our population density is so low, is because easy access to cars made it feasible for people to live far away from where they live and work (i.e in a sprawled out manner).

To make a rail system feasible here, the population density will have to increase (by allowing people to live closer to jobs/services for example - i.e live in a city setting). Trinis freak out when they hear that though, we stuck in the paradigm of living in a house with a 'green' yard miles away from work/play/services and having to drive every where for every single thing. So driving becomes mandatory for everyone in a low density setting - even bus schedules cant run as frequently or cost efficiently in a low density area. This makes our traffic problem get worse and worse, despite all the road expansion.

Are you sure it's not the other way around?
Everything is in POS, but when you have the head of the GORTT himself saying he's not going to Chaguanas/Central for any services, it tells you the mindset of our elected officials wrt decentralization. Of course the roads and infrastructure lead to the congestion, but we need to move some GORTT services away from POS, like what was done with L.O., Passprt office etc. I'd rather poke steel knitting needles in my eyeballs than commute to POS on a daily basis.

[RedVEVO]

So my question is things only hard for them taxi drivers alone? What horse feces I hearing look how long the working public salaries have never been adjusted to the high cost of living and then these sons of beaches wanna increase the fare because they losing out? Man that’s just greed for real, I nor the traveling public never gone and tell you to buy a frigging Serena or noah

That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion, what does public sector salaries have to do with an entrepreneur that invested money to provide a service? A businessman does not go into business for the purpose of charity he goes in to make money. In a country with no reliable mass-transit system, larger capacity vehicles are the better bet, it's the norm internationally

Rapid Rail is the NORM ..

China, London, USA ..

Trini is Maxi with Soca ..

[adnj]

So my question is things only hard for them taxi drivers alone? What horse feces I hearing look how long the working public salaries have never been adjusted to the high cost of living and then these sons of beaches wanna increase the fare because they losing out? Man that’s just greed for real, I nor the traveling public never gone and tell you to buy a frigging Serena or noah

That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion, what does public sector salaries have to do with an entrepreneur that invested money to provide a service? A businessman does not go into business for the purpose of charity he goes in to make money. In a country with no reliable mass-transit system, larger capacity vehicles are the better bet, it's the norm internationally

Rapid Rail is the NORM ..

China, London, USA ..

Trini is Maxi with Soca ..

There is zero high speed rail in the US. The top speed in the US is about 100 mph. High speed in the US has been planned for more than fifty years and never built.

[foots]

but how much that rail system cost?

Can't put a cost of what the UK rail system cost, cause it's been there for over 150 years. They just keep upgrading it as the years goes by.

If PNM had kept our rail and did the same as the UK by upgrading then we would have had better transportation.

The only reason why PNM killed our existing rail was because of car dealers and taxi drivers

I will say it more simply for you...

There isn't enough of a population on this island to support a rail system of any significance.

What studies show this?

Lots of info out there correlating population size and density versus light rail cost and success.

Suffice to say that everything that you said is wrong regarding rail and guided vehicles for mass transit.

You will conclude with adequate research that:

.. Age of the investment does not affect overall costs much.
.. Population density is a crucial measure of success.
.. Subsidies are required for nearly every system.
.. About 28,000 ppl/sq mi (45 ppl/acre) is the about minimum population density for success.

Once 28,000 ppl/sq mi has been reached, light rail makes sense because of the productivity gains for the work force. It appears that by comparison San Fernando has a density of only 6700 ppl/sq mi. Trinidad has a population density that is one-tenth of that.

You talking the truth adnj. Our population density is too low to support light rail.
Some urban planners will even say that the reason why our population density is so low, is because easy access to cars made it feasible for people to live far away from where they live and work (i.e in a sprawled out manner).

To make a rail system feasible here, the population density will have to increase (by allowing people to live closer to jobs/services for example - i.e live in a city setting). Trinis freak out when they hear that though, we stuck in the paradigm of living in a house with a 'green' yard miles away from work/play/services and having to drive every where for every single thing. So driving becomes mandatory for everyone in a low density setting - even bus schedules cant run as frequently or cost efficiently in a low density area. This makes our traffic problem get worse and worse, despite all the road expansion.

Are you sure it's not the other way around?
Everything is in POS, but when you have the head of the GORTT himself saying he's not going to Chaguanas/Central for any services, it tells you the mindset of our elected officials wrt decentralization. Of course the roads and infrastructure lead to the congestion, but we need to move some GORTT services away from POS, like what was done with L.O., Passprt office etc. I'd rather poke steel knitting needles in my eyeballs than commute to POS on a daily basis.

I always thought that decentralization was the answer too. As it turns out, Trinidad is already really decentralized....from the time private car use was encouraged (for example, via a gasoline subsidy) decentralisation took off in earnest. For example.....there are schools in every part of the country, as it should be; that is a 'service' that is decentralised. Think about the complete mess of a traffic jam that exists near any school during drop off or pick up times....a couple hundred cars jostling on surrounding streets at the same time. Would it be that way if students were able to live close enough/feel safe enough to walk to school? I believe that such a situation would lead to less cars and less of a pileup.

Decentralisation makes every thing much further away and means that you absolutely must have a car to get around conveniently. It seems that any plan that encourages large amounts of private car use, results in a constant problem with traffic. Most people real love their cars and can't imagine a normal life with less driving though, so it may just be better to accept that traffic problems are here to stay as long as we all collectively decide that every man in his own car is d only way.

Commuting into POS is a pain in the ass, because our planners have, thru various means, made private car use the no. 1 priority when it comes to moving people around. Planning using sustainable development/smart growth aims generally aims to encourage other modes of transport other than private car use. This reduces the bulk of cars on the road, and helps to reduce the traffic issues. Singapore is a really good example of solving transport woes by stopping decentralisation - though most people will balk at how expensive the government makes driving over there

[RedVEVO]

So my question is things only hard for them taxi drivers alone? What horse feces I hearing look how long the working public salaries have never been adjusted to the high cost of living and then these sons of beaches wanna increase the fare because they losing out? Man that’s just greed for real, I nor the traveling public never gone and tell you to buy a frigging Serena or noah

That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion, what does public sector salaries have to do with an entrepreneur that invested money to provide a service? A businessman does not go into business for the purpose of charity he goes in to make money. In a country with no reliable mass-transit system, larger capacity vehicles are the better bet, it's the norm internationally

Rapid Rail is the NORM ..

China, London, USA ..

Trini is Maxi with Soca ..

There is zero high speed rail in the US. The top speed in the US is about 100 mph. High speed in the US has been planned for more than fifty years and never built.

OK ..
Rail .. no rapid

Taking the A train outta Trinidad tomorrow

[rspann]

What is the taxi fare from Kelly village to St Ann's hospital?

[adnj]

So my question is things only hard for them taxi drivers alone? What horse feces I hearing look how long the working public salaries have never been adjusted to the high cost of living and then these sons of beaches wanna increase the fare because they losing out? Man that’s just greed for real, I nor the traveling public never gone and tell you to buy a frigging Serena or noah

That's a pretty narrow-minded opinion, what does public sector salaries have to do with an entrepreneur that invested money to provide a service? A businessman does not go into business for the purpose of charity he goes in to make money. In a country with no reliable mass-transit system, larger capacity vehicles are the better bet, it's the norm internationally

Rapid Rail is the NORM ..

China, London, USA ..

Trini is Maxi with Soca ..

There is zero high speed rail in the US. The top speed in the US is about 100 mph. High speed in the US has been planned for more than fifty years and never built.

OK ..
Rail .. no rapid

Taking the A train outta Trinidad tomorrow

You are also incorrect with respect to what is the norm for commuting in the United States. Rail and bus are used for commuting by about 5% of the population. About 0.5% walk to work, 94% use an automobile.

If you follow the US norm of 5% and if half of the total population or Trinidad commutes to work, then 33,000 people would take a train or bus to work each day.



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Five percent of U.S. commuters use transit to get to work. New York City, with its extensive subway and rail system, is the big outlier here—more than 30 percent of workers get to their jobs by transit in greater New York City. The only other metros where 10 percent or more of workers commute via transit are San Francisco (17.4 percent); Boston (13.4 percent); D.C. (12.8 percent); Chicago (12.3 percent); Seattle (10.1 percent); and Bridgeport-Stamford, Connecticut (10 percent).

[Tortilla_Man]

They will increase it, trinidadians will make some noise, then line up on the stand normal.

Same ting trinis does do with everything, except fete ticket, tech and keepin up to date with trends.
They cud afford all dat but dey vex when kfc, bread and doubles gone up by a dollar or two.

De only 'boycott' trinis know is when de barber cut dey hair short.

[maj. tom]

and when they boycott the taxis because of the fare, how they will reach to work?

Trinidad have any other reliable transport system for people to use? Take the bus you're thinking? 1 bus every 2 hours and it already full... and then it shut down on the highway? It even have thing like a bus schedule in Trinidad?

[K74T]

What is the taxi fare from Kelly village to St Ann's hospital?

Man say he taking the A train. That is the Azeez train?

[rspann]

Yeah the AAA train. That sexual grooming still affecting him up until now.