Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

[Pointman-IA]

Hey guys sorry for the late response.
Yes I got a curtsey.
No they did not have the part (mechtronic).
They said mine was the first wagon but not the first mk6 (we are not immune ) .
I spoke yo a vw engineer and he said the mechtron is a part that will fail eventually......
From my experience these are the warning signs 1) a brief cut in acceleration while gas peddle is depressed , maybe 4 seconds, I experienced this about 2 weeks before incident.
2) on the day itself I noticed a burning smell while heading to maracas that was not brakes, it smelt like a combination of electrical and mechanical. after I remembered I got that same oder from a friends Jetta when their mech failed.
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You got a Tiguan or a Toureg?

[drchaos]

I wonder what is the cost of one of those mechatronic units?

[Pointman-IA]

VW Recalls 91,000 Vehicles in Japan Citing DSG Problems…Again FRIDAY, MAY 10, 2013

The reliability record of the VW Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) is taking a hit with a great deal of reports coming in from around the world for not behaving like they should, and dealers refusing to come up with a viable fix.
Apparently, these self-shifters just don’t cope with "hot and wet climate, extreme stop-and-go traffic as well as pollution typical of some Asian cities", says a report from Reuters, citing a company spokesman.

Incidentally, Japan has some of the worst pollution and congestion problems in the world, so the fact that VW has announced the recall of 91,000 vehicles in the country is less surprising. The culprit is yet again the DSG, which was also the cause of a 384,181-strong recall in China, earlier this year in March, as well as another in February of 2012, when some half-a-million were recalled for a gearbox-related software update - the problem is older.

European owners of VW-, SEAT-, Skoda- and Audi-branded cars have also reported problems, characterized by odd noises when shifting through the first gears at lower speeds.

[syncrod]

I wonder what is the cost of one of those mechatronic units?

last i heard was 25k

[neexis]

Hey guys sorry for the late response.
Yes I got a curtsey.
No they did not have the part (mechtronic).
They said mine was the first wagon but not the first mk6 (we are not immune ) .
I spoke yo a vw engineer and he said the mechtron is a part that will fail eventually......
From my experience these are the warning signs 1) a brief cut in acceleration while gas peddle is depressed , maybe 4 seconds, I experienced this about 2 weeks before incident.
2) on the day itself I noticed a burning smell while heading to maracas that was not brakes, it smelt like a combination of electrical and mechanical. after I remembered I got that same oder from a friends Jetta when their mech failed.
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You got a Tiguan or a Toureg?

lol a tiguan or .....what?????

what courtesy vehicles do they normally have besides the jetta they used for drag and wind? i know of a man who was given a hyundai accent. wtf

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

You will get potentially anything under ownership by Neal n massy. Usually something embarrassing too.

[neexis]

How difficult would it be to swap out the dq200 for one of the other more reliable dsg trannies?

[neexis]

What you doing bout the Goal?

[Pointman-IA]

Hey guys sorry for the late response.
Yes I got a curtsey.
No they did not have the part (mechtronic).
They said mine was the first wagon but not the first mk6 (we are not immune ) .
I spoke yo a vw engineer and he said the mechtron is a part that will fail eventually......
From my experience these are the warning signs 1) a brief cut in acceleration while gas peddle is depressed , maybe 4 seconds, I experienced this about 2 weeks before incident.
2) on the day itself I noticed a burning smell while heading to maracas that was not brakes, it smelt like a combination of electrical and mechanical. after I remembered I got that same oder from a friends Jetta when their mech failed.
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You got a Tiguan or a Toureg?

lol a tiguan or .....what?????

what courtesy vehicles do they normally have besides the jetta they used for drag and wind? i know of a man who was given a hyundai accent. wtf

Touareg I meant.

[neexis]

na... i didn't mean the spelling. i just meant its kinda hilarious to think that BA would give a touareg as a courtesy... esp when they giving men accent and tiida and thing

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Will order one Goal from a dealer.

Rolling on a spare till then...the spare black steel wheel had a sticker saying not to exceed 80kph. FML.

[neexis]

sheit... i thought the jetta's spare would have been the stock queensland as well.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Prolly full size spare for passat and up. Jetta is "economy" car. I think some new golfs have no spare at all. They put a subwoofer where d spare would be :/

[VW_Exec]

VW Recalls 91,000 Vehicles in Japan Citing DSG Problems…Again FRIDAY, MAY 10, 2013

The reliability record of the VW Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) is taking a hit with a great deal of reports coming in from around the world for not behaving like they should, and dealers refusing to come up with a viable fix.
Apparently, these self-shifters just don’t cope with "hot and wet climate, extreme stop-and-go traffic as well as pollution typical of some Asian cities", says a report from Reuters, citing a company spokesman.

Incidentally, Japan has some of the worst pollution and congestion problems in the world, so the fact that VW has announced the recall of 91,000 vehicles in the country is less surprising. The culprit is yet again the DSG, which was also the cause of a 384,181-strong recall in China, earlier this year in March, as well as another in February of 2012, when some half-a-million were recalled for a gearbox-related software update - the problem is older.

European owners of VW-, SEAT-, Skoda- and Audi-branded cars have also reported problems, characterized by odd noises when shifting through the first gears at lower speeds.

hmmm...definitely not an encouraging development, neither so with our colleague here.

however, might I proffer that the more I both read about and drive the VW-DSG, I honestly believe 'driving-style' is likely to be the differentiating feature in the noted failures. It's going to be impossible to link the both, but I do suspect that slow speeds, high-traffic conditions, etc. and the spelt out 'over-heating' warning and procedure is suggestive of the engineering/design requirements for frequent engagement, i.e. manual mode/S-mode, etc.

I'm really knocking the wood-grain panels here, but I do push the Passat pretty hard whenever I can, not necessarily only from a kmph perspective, but changing up the transmission mode I'm in to suit the road-traffic conditions. It's almost like finding yourself intuitively matching it and perhaps that's the extra bit of attention that needs to be paid, as against leaving it in 'D-mode' for weeks at a time, swearing you have a purely automatic transmission.

I could also be talking hog-wash... ..but time will tell.

[drchaos]

25K for a mechatronic unit??? WTF that's more than 10% of the value of the car.

Well at least we have a warranty, would have been better if it was at least 4 years. But even then once you service with them, if something goes wrong within reason they will fix it for almost no cost to the customer.

[neexis]

this sounds like a correct observation.. as most of the problems with the dsg (and even oil consumption by the engine) seem to be associated with vehicles that spend more time in crawling traffic.

i know what you mean. i'd say i push mine was well in terms of both speed and acceleration. i will usually switch to manual mode for inner city or residential areas with many speed bumps just to get around that "lazy" feel of the car trying to take off in D2. so in certain areas, i will basically use manual to get the car shifting the way i feel it should..

granted that the majority of my driving right now is on the highway, i still don't think you can really get away from crawling traffic at some point on the journey. given the high temps and traffic conditions down here, i'm wondering if one of the wet clutch dsg's would have been the better spec.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

If this tranny requires one to drive differently in traffic then that is a major fail on VW's part as they put nothing along those lines in the manual for the unsuspecting owner. Also if they know the tranny hates traffic they should have engineered a unit that could withstand higher temps.

[kingskid]

The part should arrive on Thursday, I will be leaving for Germany the following Thursday and plan to pay a visit to vw headquarters, it would be nice to have some signatures for support.
I must say here though that the service at BA has been very good so far and I don't blame them for the cars problems (too much).
Also this latest incident caused me to rethink ordering a Tiguan for my wife.

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[kingskid]

If this tranny requires one to drive differently in traffic then that is a major fail on VW's part as they put nothing along those lines in the manual for the unsuspecting owner. Also if they know the tranny hates traffic they should have engineered a unit that could withstand higher temps.

my thoughts exactly bunny. I really beloved they can build a better mechtron.

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[Allergic2BunnyEars]

The part should arrive on Thursday, I will be leaving for Germany the following Thursday and plan to pay a visit to vw headquarters, it would be nice to have some signatures for support.
I must say here though that the service at BA has been very good so far and I don't blame them for the cars problems (too much).
Also this latest incident caused me to rethink ordering a Tiguan for my wife.

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The Tiguan uses a different DSG with a wet clutch. That one doesn't have 1/10 of the number of complaints I have seen for the DQ200. DQ250 and DQ500 are the more reliable variants.

Signatures on what document though?

The issue I have is what happens out of warranty. I don't expect BA to move funny during warranty. Also the lack of information is deafening. I have to troll the net in other regions to glean anything of importance. BA will not say what is different in replacement mechatronic units. Maybe they might tell you what they are if you ask since your vehicle is on the lift?

[Pointman-IA]

The part should arrive on Thursday, I will be leaving for Germany the following Thursday and plan to pay a visit to vw headquarters, it would be nice to have some signatures for support.
I must say here though that the service at BA has been very good so far and I don't blame them for the cars problems (too much).
Also this latest incident caused me to rethink ordering a Tiguan for my wife.

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The Tiguan uses a different DSG with a wet clutch. That one doesn't have 1/10 of the number of complaints I have seen for the DQ200. DQ250 and DQ500 are the more reliable variants.

Signatures on what document though?

The issue I have is what happens out of warranty. I don't expect BA to move funny during warranty. Also the lack of information is deafening. I have to troll the net in other regions to glean anything of importance. BA will not say what is different in replacement mechatronic units. Maybe they might tell you what they are if you ask since your vehicle is on the lift?

I wonder if Consumer Affairs are aware of this happening..Hmm. I wonder...

[syncrod]

some guy's thoughts on the DQ200
http://touran.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DQ200issue_en.pdf

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I does real feel sorry for that touran guy. Been reading up on his woes about a year now.

[neexis]

didn't they change syncrod's dsg multiple times out of warranty?

[drchaos]

What you want us to sign?
Make sure you let them know that you brought your concerns to the dealer first. They don't like customers just going over their dealers head without consulting them first.

[neexis]

well that.... and then there's the fact that the number of signatures we can come up with probably won't be enough to matter

[Pointman-IA]

well that.... and then there's the fact that the number of signatures we can come up with probably won't be enough to matter

Talk to Ian Alleyne.
He might be able to reach out to the other VW motorists...

[syncrod]

not sure if this was posted before
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks
interesting read

[VW_Exec]

not sure if this was posted before
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5989734-How-to-Play-The-DSG-Game-and-Win-DSG-Driving-Tips-and-Tricks
interesting read

Syncrod, this is an excellent find and very succinctly captures my own gut feelings on the DSG and its operations.

I find this excerpt most instructive:

The rules that govern the shifting behavior of the DSG are NOT adaptive. Lets be clear about this. The DSG does NOT change the rules governing shifting behavior based on your driving style - It doesn't "Learn" those - These were hard coded sets of rules established by the engineers of the DSG software. It does dynamically change its operating parameters internally to account for clutch wear, etc - But none of that effects the rules for deciding gear changes - these are STATICALLY PROGRAMMED. This means you can reliably use what you know to influence the decision it makes by influencing some of the factors it takes into account. And that 2 drivers with the same DSG software in the same exact scenario will have the same outcome no matter what their previous driving "Style"

Will definitely start trying the accelerate prior to down-shifting technique that was prescribed.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I've found his observations to be different to mine so far. Granted he is speaking bout a six speed dsg. I have zero lag on downshifting with or without my foot on the accelerator pedal.