Pros and Cons of new 1.4 tsi Jetta

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

I haven't gone in for my first paid service yet. My only service so far was the first free to replace the broken in engine oil. Will update in a two weeks. I now reach 7200km.

[VW_Exec]

VW exec does your VIN have an "M" in it?

According to my VIN:

Region: 1 W Europe
Country: 1-2 WV Germany
Manufacturer: 2-3 VW Volkswagen

I have the 24,455th VW Passat manufactured in Germany (not Mexico).

Also, confirmed that the Mechatronic Unit on the DSG tranny for the 2012 VW Passats were already upgraded to 'fault-free' version after the issues discovered in VW Jettas over 2010/2011 in the previous Mk5 chassis.

[VW_Exec]

*side note*

Getting an annoying, intermittent, high-pitched squeal when applying light brakes at roll-forward pace to stop (for instance, bumper to bumper traffic). Also similar, but lower toned hum when reversing slowly with foot on brake.

It comes and goes; visited VW dealership yesterday, did a road test and true to form - noise did not appear. Technician viewed pads - lots of life left. Suggested that it may be brake dust and washing down brake set-up (when cold), would alleviate the noise.

Did some searches and noticed it is a fairly common problem with Audis/VWs, but just checking whether any of you guys experience this issue and any resolutions? Heard ceramic pads may help cure both heavy dusting/noise.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

VW exec does your VIN have an "M" in it?

According to my VIN:

Region: 1 W Europe
Country: 1-2 WV Germany
Manufacturer: 2-3 VW Volkswagen

I have the 24,455th VW Passat manufactured in Germany (not Mexico).

Also, confirmed that the Mechatronic Unit on the DSG tranny for the 2012 VW Passats were already upgraded to 'fault-free' version after the issues discovered in VW Jettas over 2010/2011 in the previous Mk5 chassis.

I doh mean to be all doom and gloom eh but you should verify part numbers before you accept what the sales execs say at the dealership.

Your passat is the 1.8T with DQ200 7 speed DSG yes?

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

*side note*

Getting an annoying, intermittent, high-pitched squeal when applying light brakes at roll-forward pace to stop (for instance, bumper to bumper traffic). Also similar, but lower toned hum when reversing slowly with foot on brake.

It comes and goes; visited VW dealership yesterday, did a road test and true to form - noise did not appear. Technician viewed pads - lots of life left. Suggested that it may be brake dust and washing down brake set-up (when cold), would alleviate the noise.

Did some searches and noticed it is a fairly common problem with Audis/VWs, but just checking whether any of you guys experience this issue and any resolutions? Heard ceramic pads may help cure both heavy dusting/noise.

No noise for me

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

We can now add Russia to the list of countries Volkswagen has increased the warranty of their 7 speed DSG trannies in. This addition came on Monday.

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/cars/volk ... kms-60760/


"VOLKSWAGEN INCREASES WARRANTY ON 7 SPEED DSG AUTOMATIC GEARBOXES IN RUSSIA TO 5 YEARS/150,000 KMS

Volkswagen car owners across the globe have been complaining about the DSG automatic gearbox being trouble prone. The issue received global attention when Volkswagen issued an apology in China, to owners of Volkswagen cars that used DSG gearboxes. As a measure of goodwill, Volkswagen went ahead to increase the warranty on the DSG gearbox to 10 years and 160,000 kilometers. A while later, murmurs of DSG gearbox failures began emerging across the European car market. While Volkswagen is yet to officially take note of the problems expressed by Volkswagen group car owners in Europe, the brand seems to be wanting placate Russian car owners using the DSG gearbox.

In Russia, Volkswagen has offered a 5 years, 150,000 kilometer warranty on the 7 speed DSG gearbox after complaints about the gearbox were raised by Russian owners of Volkswagen cars. This move by Volkswagen Russia comes as a response to a campaign by Volkswagen car owners in Russia, protesting against the 7 speed DSG gearbox’s questionable reliability. The DSG automatic gearbox uses a dual clutch mechanism to make gearshifts faster than on conventional torque converter automatics. This gearbox is used on a range of Volkswagen group car brands like Skoda, Audi and Seat.
The technology laden gearbox has made cars quicker and more fuel efficient as it is said to be lighter than other comparable gearboxes. In India too, the DSG automatic gearbox is used on a range of Audi, Volkswagen and Skoda cars. Of these brands, Skoda has been selling the most number of cars with the DSG automatic gearbox and there have been quite a few cases of DSG gearboxes failing. While Skoda has repaired or replaced the DSG gearbox as and when problems occur, owners of these cars remain a worried lot as there is no real way of determining whether or not the trouble will re-occur.

This has meant that many Skoda car owners in India, have had to live with the Damocles sword like, potentially faulty DSG gearbox hanging over their heads. Just as it has done in China and Russia, would it not be apt for Volkswagen India and Skoda India to reassure customers with a similar goodwill extended warranty on the DSG gearbox? Doing thus will only reassure existing Volkswagen and Skoda car owners while reaffirming the Volkswagen group’s commitment towards customer delight."

[Rainman]

Coworker's mechatronic failed on her new jetta after 15000km.......car currently at BA

[kingskid]

*side note*

Getting an annoying, intermittent, high-pitched squeal when applying light brakes at roll-forward pace to stop (for instance, bumper to bumper traffic). Also similar, but lower toned hum when reversing slowly with foot on brake.

It comes and goes; visited VW dealership yesterday, did a road test and true to form - noise did not appear. Technician viewed pads - lots of life left. Suggested that it may be brake dust and washing down brake set-up (when cold), would alleviate the noise.

Did some searches and noticed it is a fairly common problem with Audis/VWs, but just checking whether any of you guys experience this issue and any resolutions? Heard ceramic pads may help cure both heavy dusting/noise.

no noise from my brakes i have a golf wagon.

[kingskid]

Does anyone have a link to a site where i can order parts for vws, the clip for my rear wiper broke this afternoon while washing.

[kingskid]

We can now add Russia to the list of countries Volkswagen has increased the warranty of their 7 speed DSG trannies in. This addition came on Monday.

http://www.indiancarsbikes.in/cars/volk ... kms-60760/


"VOLKSWAGEN INCREASES WARRANTY ON 7 SPEED DSG AUTOMATIC GEARBOXES IN RUSSIA TO 5 YEARS/150,000 KMS

Volkswagen car owners across the globe have been complaining about the DSG automatic gearbox being trouble prone. The issue received global attention when Volkswagen issued an apology in China, to owners of Volkswagen cars that used DSG gearboxes. As a measure of goodwill, Volkswagen went ahead to increase the warranty on the DSG gearbox to 10 years and 160,000 kilometers. A while later, murmurs of DSG gearbox failures began emerging across the European car market. While Volkswagen is yet to officially take note of the problems expressed by Volkswagen group car owners in Europe, the brand seems to be wanting placate Russian car owners using the DSG gearbox.

In Russia, Volkswagen has offered a 5 years, 150,000 kilometer warranty on the 7 speed DSG gearbox after complaints about the gearbox were raised by Russian owners of Volkswagen cars. This move by Volkswagen Russia comes as a response to a campaign by Volkswagen car owners in Russia, protesting against the 7 speed DSG gearbox’s questionable reliability. The DSG automatic gearbox uses a dual clutch mechanism to make gearshifts faster than on conventional torque converter automatics. This gearbox is used on a range of Volkswagen group car brands like Skoda, Audi and Seat.
The technology laden gearbox has made cars quicker and more fuel efficient as it is said to be lighter than other comparable gearboxes. In India too, the DSG automatic gearbox is used on a range of Audi, Volkswagen and Skoda cars. Of these brands, Skoda has been selling the most number of cars with the DSG automatic gearbox and there have been quite a few cases of DSG gearboxes failing. While Skoda has repaired or replaced the DSG gearbox as and when problems occur, owners of these cars remain a worried lot as there is no real way of determining whether or not the trouble will re-occur.

This has meant that many Skoda car owners in India, have had to live with the Damocles sword like, potentially faulty DSG gearbox hanging over their heads. Just as it has done in China and Russia, would it not be apt for Volkswagen India and Skoda India to reassure customers with a similar goodwill extended warranty on the DSG gearbox? Doing thus will only reassure existing Volkswagen and Skoda car owners while reaffirming the Volkswagen group’s commitment towards customer delight."

Like you said, very interesting, we should take this information to our dealer here and ask them to follow. i am willing to join you.

[VW_Exec]

VW exec does your VIN have an "M" in it?

According to my VIN:

Region: 1 W Europe
Country: 1-2 WV Germany
Manufacturer: 2-3 VW Volkswagen

I have the 24,455th VW Passat manufactured in Germany (not Mexico).

Also, confirmed that the Mechatronic Unit on the DSG tranny for the 2012 VW Passats were already upgraded to 'fault-free' version after the issues discovered in VW Jettas over 2010/2011 in the previous Mk5 chassis.

I doh mean to be all doom and gloom eh but you should verify part numbers before you accept what the sales execs say at the dealership.

Your passat is the 1.8T with DQ200 7 speed DSG yes?

didn't come from sales exec.
yes; that's the drive train set-up.
we should probably catalogue various DQ tranny part numbers and determine if there are any differences.

[rawCpoppa]

So far no real issues on my car to affect performance. I do experience a rattle noise though. I hear it with the windows down at low speeds when there is a gear change. Like when slowing down and crossing a hump. I also hear these rattles on bumpy roads.

Of course the dealer says this is normal but I have never heard this in other cars. Friend of mine was told this same thing when after having bought a new mk5 jetta tsi with the same dsg. They just replaced his gearbox after a year and a half.

[kingskid]

So far no real issues on my car to affect performance. I do experience a rattle noise though. I hear it with the windows down at low speeds when there is a gear change. Like when slowing down and crossing a hump. I also hear these rattles on bumpy roads.

Of course the dealer says this is normal but I have never heard this in other cars. Friend of mine was told this same thing when after having bought a new mk5 jetta tsi with the same dsg. They just replaced his gearbox after a year and a half.

I have heard the same noise under the same circumstances. And the changing of the gearbox after that same time period seams to be common as i know two people that had theirs after the same time period.

[rawCpoppa]

Doesn't really instill confidence does it. This gearbox is in the polo, jetta, passat, and passat cc. $400,000+ and your car sounds like it's breaking apart each time it slows down. If I had heard how bad it was during my test drive I'd have second thoughts.

[cqk4]

Yes, there are lots of DSG related issues currently around the world - Officially America, China, Singapore, Russia.
I have read that the same issues are present in India, Malaysia, Australia. Maybe with Russia now on the recall list Europe might be more aware.. cause the dealers down here INSIST there is nothing to worry (and impossible to extend warranty - I asked) about and the cars are flying off the lot so get yours now before its too late (lol).

I'll keep my 240k for now Mr Dealer.

Here is the wiki. I suspect it should be updated soon or in the near future to include other countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

Add - DSG to Con of 1.4 TSI Jetta.

PS. this post isn't to scare persons or defame our local dealers but nothing I said there I just made up. Do some research, get independent advice and be educated when spending your hard earned cash.

[rawCpoppa]

VW exec does your VIN have an "M" in it?

According to my VIN:

Region: 1 W Europe
Country: 1-2 WV Germany
Manufacturer: 2-3 VW Volkswagen

I have the 24,455th VW Passat manufactured in Germany (not Mexico).

Also, confirmed that the Mechatronic Unit on the DSG tranny for the 2012 VW Passats were already upgraded to 'fault-free' version after the issues discovered in VW Jettas over 2010/2011 in the previous Mk5 chassis.

I doh mean to be all doom and gloom eh but you should verify part numbers before you accept what the sales execs say at the dealership.

Your passat is the 1.8T with DQ200 7 speed DSG yes?

didn't come from sales exec.
yes; that's the drive train set-up.
we should probably catalogue various DQ tranny part numbers and determine if there are any differences.

Good idea...how do we get these part numbers?

[GTi Guy]

i know its north american spec engine parts vary but can cross ref tranny parts http://www.vwpartsdepartment.com/index. ... &year=2012
ordered a couple tiguan things from them a while ago

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

VW exec does your VIN have an "M" in it?

According to my VIN:

Region: 1 W Europe
Country: 1-2 WV Germany
Manufacturer: 2-3 VW Volkswagen

I have the 24,455th VW Passat manufactured in Germany (not Mexico).

Also, confirmed that the Mechatronic Unit on the DSG tranny for the 2012 VW Passats were already upgraded to 'fault-free' version after the issues discovered in VW Jettas over 2010/2011 in the previous Mk5 chassis.

I doh mean to be all doom and gloom eh but you should verify part numbers before you accept what the sales execs say at the dealership.

Your passat is the 1.8T with DQ200 7 speed DSG yes?

didn't come from sales exec.
yes; that's the drive train set-up.
we should probably catalogue various DQ tranny part numbers and determine if there are any differences.

Good idea...how do we get these part numbers?

You'd need a VCDS cable and software to read off hardware and software numbers.

[Pointman-IA]

See if you all can get the Electronic Parts catalogue (ELSAWin) for the VAG Group cars.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

See if you all can get the Electronic Parts catalogue (ELSAWin) for the VAG Group cars.

I see them for sale on Amazon UK and EBay Uk. When purchasing be sure the databases are as up to date as possible. The database you buy will usually have a date like 11.2011 or 2.2012 which is the month and year of that database release.

When purchasing you should receive multiple DVDs for VW. At least 2 but most likely 3. Skoda and Seat one DVD each. Audi may be 2 or 1 if double sided.

[tr1ad]

interested in one of these but wary about the transmission issue that has plagued many a vw in the past

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

Minor update. Most km out of a tank so far: 576.9 km. Approximately 9.5 liters per 100km or 24.7 us mpg/29.7 uk mpg.

Approximately 300km were highway miles with 7 liters per 100km as the then fuel consumption. People who mostly do highway runs should be able to get 700 km per tank easily with ac.

[neexis]

the possibility of dsg issues have me a bit hesitant right now.
whats BA's warranty with respect to the car? i suppose they deny any dsg issues right now

[Rainman]

the possibility of dsg issues have me a bit hesitant right now.
whats BA's warranty with respect to the car? i suppose they deny any dsg issues right now

They fully denied having any issues with the current model's DSG. My co-worker's car is still at BA for transmission issues. I really had my heart set on purchasing this car, but i will have to start looking at another model.

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

the possibility of dsg issues have me a bit hesitant right now.
whats BA's warranty with respect to the car? i suppose they deny any dsg issues right now

They fully denied having any issues with the current model's DSG. My co-worker's car is still at BA for transmission issues. I really had my heart set on purchasing this car, but i will have to start looking at another model.

To be fair I think we need better stats. While I know of two people with troubles and your coworker being the 3rd but there many Jettas on the road. Not saying there isn't an issue either. Just saying hearsay can put negative spin on things quite easily. Part of this thread will go towards getting better stats as well as providing info on day to day/week to week performance and issues with this car so anyone can get a better info about this model.

[neexis]

the possibility of dsg issues have me a bit hesitant right now.
whats BA's warranty with respect to the car? i suppose they deny any dsg issues right now

They fully denied having any issues with the current model's DSG. My co-worker's car is still at BA for transmission issues. I really had my heart set on purchasing this car, but i will have to start looking at another model.

Is her model the 2012 as well? Is she receiving any compensation... or at least a loaner till they solve the problem?

[Rainman]

the possibility of dsg issues have me a bit hesitant right now.
whats BA's warranty with respect to the car? i suppose they deny any dsg issues right now

They fully denied having any issues with the current model's DSG. My co-worker's car is still at BA for transmission issues. I really had my heart set on purchasing this car, but i will have to start looking at another model.

Is her model the 2012 as well? Is she receiving any compensation... or at least a loaner till they solve the problem?

They loaned her an older model Passat, no compensation but they told her that the issue is being taken care of under warranty.

[neexis]

the possibility of dsg issues have me a bit hesitant right now.
whats BA's warranty with respect to the car? i suppose they deny any dsg issues right now

They fully denied having any issues with the current model's DSG. My co-worker's car is still at BA for transmission issues. I really had my heart set on purchasing this car, but i will have to start looking at another model.

To be fair I think we need better stats. While I know of two people with troubles and your coworker being the 3rd but there many Jettas on the road. Not saying there isn't an issue either. Just saying hearsay can put negative spin on things quite easily. Part of this thread will go towards getting better stats as well as providing info on day to day/week to week performance and issues with this car so anyone can get a better info about this model.

I agree that we need better stats, but in reality we won't get that from the dealer. So in a way, we might have to go with hearsay to get the real side of the picture.. even if it may be a bit negative.
That's kinda why I follow this thread so frequently.. to get some real feedback from you guys. While none of you have experienced any major issues yet, your links to the articles about dsg extended warranties in other countries have shed some light on the possibility that a problem may exist. Factor in the 2-3 local vehicles in the shop right now and the issue starts sounding a bit more real.

There are many Jettas on the road now, so the question remains: is it just a matter of time? I'd like to hope those are just isolated incidents (because I really want this car), but even with the number of new Jettas sold, 3 is a fairly big number. esp for vehicles that havent made a year on the road. Makes me wonder... but I'm hoping for the best for you guys

[Allergic2BunnyEars]

If it makes a difference two of those three are mk5 jettas

[VW_Exec]

Will be more 'concerned' only if I hear of 2011+ VW Passats 1.8TSI DSG's (DQ200) starting to fail either locally or abroad. I believe the tranny issues are limited mainly to 2010-2011 MK5 Jetta.

But let's see...