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Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: July 8th, 2014, 9:19 am
by bobks
Hi,
as an owner of a 2002 323F BJ with the 1.6 ZM-DE engine, I'm interested in questions about a ZL-VE conversion - at first, only theoretical, because in Western Europe, nobody seems to have done that yet. From what I've read, the Maztune guys here seem to know about it.

http://www.protegefaq.net/ says that the ZL-VE head is a direct bolt-on to the ZM-DE block. Best of both worlds would be then using the european ZM-DE block (compression ratio 9.7:1) with the ZL-VE head and the euro ZM-DE intake manifold, including VICS, and the ZL-VE 4-2-1 exhaust manifold instead of the stock 4-1. I would keep the gearbox, because the euro version has shorter ratios in 5th gear and final drive compared to the JDM/USDM Version.

Main problem will be the engine management/ECU and harness, I think, to make everything working together, especially fitting with German emission regulations and vehicle inspection certificate (nearly impossible, I think) and getting all required parts (the ZL-VE is quite common in Russia, but I've no connections there).
So everything is merely a game of ideas.

For example, what I don't know is if the ZL-VE has a catalytic converter. The euro ZM-DE has the converter directly bolt on to the exhaust manifold, and so I think it wouldn't fit to the 4-2-1 "header".
Do the ZL-VE equipped cars have other modifications (brakes, suspension etc.)?

So, if someone here would share his experience, many thanks.
Sorry for my English...
Greetings
Bob

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: July 8th, 2014, 4:00 pm
by cinco
is your car right hand drive?
the later zlve out of japan is oxygen sensor and catalytic converter equipped.
the full harness and ecu is easily acquired and you can get the zlve head installed on a zmde block easily

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: July 9th, 2014, 4:09 am
by bobks
Thanks, this sounds interesting. So I think I would need the exhaust downpipe and catalytic converter, too.
Are there any pictures in the net how a zlve exhaust looks like?
zlve http://www.avto-kontrakt.com/_sh/13/1341m.jpg
zlde/zmde http://jdmenginesusa.com/images/EnginePics/Full/dscn8598.jpg with the catalytic converter mounted directly to the manifold.
But my car is left hand drive - does this make a difference?
The zlve in Russia are RHD - probably there were no LHD zlve-equipped cars built.

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: July 10th, 2014, 1:20 pm
by cinco
the pic you posted of the zlve mani is only part of the manifold you will need both parts with the downpipe you can move the cat lower down on the piping to remain compliant.
I know the zmde type you are referring too it is the same as the USDM cars.
im not 100% sure of the limitations of the lhd wiring but the rhd zmde and zlve wiring are very similar and the ecu has the same pinout.
I have a zlve exhaust mani on the ground when i get a chance i will take a pic for you

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 12:10 pm
by bobks
Hi, thanks!
I've found everything about the different exhausts here:
http://mazda.epcdata.ru/familia/ajba09/4_kit_injection_cooling/4000/#4000AB
http://mazda.epcdata.ru/familia/ajba09/4_kit_injection_cooling/1310/#1310AB
The (1500CC)(no variable valve timing) parts are the same a in my car.
So maybe the exhaust system alone could help a little performance for the zmde.

The euro zmde is not quite the same as in the USDM cars - higher compression ratio and inlet manifold with VICS.

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: July 13th, 2014, 5:00 pm
by JahSoldi3r
I have all thhe literature for the mazda 323 and 626 in pdf format if you are interested. Repair manuals, transmission training manuals, everything. Up to 2004 i believe. Are you interested? It's on cd.

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: October 3rd, 2014, 7:44 pm
by NR8
I'm interested in the 323 literature JahSoldi3r. I've got a 2003 BJ. Would you be willing to email me the PDFs?

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: October 17th, 2014, 6:21 pm
by tytano
JahSoldi3r...I'm interested in the 323 literature. Is it compatible with the Mazda BH 323 foreign used. How can I get a copy?

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 13th, 2014, 8:54 pm
by Milkman45
Now this may seem like a strange question but does anybody have a 323/familia just there rotting doing nothing? Cuz I'm looking for a part on it that harder than big stone to find. To be precise, the socket for the id light bulb. Can't get it anywhere n I'm guessing this is the only way I can find it. O if there is an alternative.... Help ah fellow 3 series mazda owner out nah. Ah beggin. Willing to pay of course...

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 14th, 2014, 11:06 pm
by 323tuner
Milkman45, are you looking for this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2000-2001- ... 9a&vxp=mtr

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 15th, 2014, 10:45 pm
by Milkman45
Thanks a million... Trying to avoid getting ticket...lol

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: January 23rd, 2015, 2:00 pm
by Sinester
JahSoldi3r good day man, can you link me with the PDF for the mazda 323 BJ ZL?

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: September 16th, 2015, 1:18 pm
by Milkman45
Good day peeps, looking to buy some shocks for my BJ. Bobby's have some JSK brand. Anybody knows about them? Some suggestion/advice will be helpful.

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: October 1st, 2015, 8:49 pm
by Milkman45
Bump

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: October 1st, 2015, 8:58 pm
by cinco
Milkman45 wrote:Good day peeps, looking to buy some shocks for my BJ. Bobby's have some JSK brand. Anybody knows about them? Some suggestion/advice will be helpful.

Stick with tokico or kyb

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: October 2nd, 2015, 7:46 pm
by Milkman45
Thanks man

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 1st, 2015, 9:53 pm
by Milkman45
Could anyone advise on the best tranny oil to use? Gonna start using amsoil 20/50. Is that a good thing?

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 2nd, 2015, 6:20 pm
by Milkman45
Bump

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 7th, 2015, 7:53 am
by Milkman45
Bump

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: November 12th, 2015, 7:40 pm
by nutty4u2c
Well I think this might be the best place to sell some Mazda parts I have lying around. pair of Headlights , Indicator lights , Instrument cluster,Ash Tray, park lights all from a PAW 323 I had. I swapped the light for the double lights and just put these away.
I came upon them in a wooden box, even the bottom of the box looks new.
PM me .

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: February 20th, 2016, 1:44 pm
by jahs0ldi3r
Sinester wrote:JahSoldi3r good day man, can you link me with the PDF for the mazda 323 BJ ZL?


Hey, sorry about that. I got banned from that profile and forgot about your request until I found this thread again.

I will upload to Dropbox and send the link here.

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: February 20th, 2016, 1:46 pm
by jahs0ldi3r
NR8 wrote:I'm interested in the 323 literature JahSoldi3r. I've got a 2003 BJ. Would you be willing to email me the PDFs?

Sorry, got banned and forgot. Well send a link to a download here...

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: February 20th, 2016, 1:47 pm
by jahs0ldi3r
tytano wrote:JahSoldi3r...I'm interested in the 323 literature. Is it compatible with the Mazda BH 323 foreign used. How can I get a copy?

It's a whole collection of literature for all Mazda vehicles from inception to about 2006 if I remember correctly. Well send a download link here

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Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: April 9th, 2016, 11:49 pm
by jahs0ldi3r
Http://190.83.212.243/323.tgz

Link to zip file containing all the Mazda documentation that I have.

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: May 21st, 2016, 8:29 pm
by jahs0ldi3r
i chnged to digicel flow so tht link no longer works.
nyone needs it gin i will repost nother link

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: January 9th, 2017, 9:15 am
by NR8
Can you reload the files bro? That link doesn't work.

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: January 12th, 2017, 7:32 pm
by jahs0ldi3r
i chnged to digicel flow so tht link no longer works.<br />nyone needs it gin i will repost nother link

Uploading to a Google drive now..Will send the link soon

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: January 16th, 2017, 1:28 am
by jahs0ldi3r
Here's the download link I promised.

No virii, no malware just lots of documents

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzXqED ... sp=sharing

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: December 19th, 2018, 9:06 pm
by Hakeel
Hey goodnight my name is hakeel I am from Barbados I have a 4wd bj 2001 Mazda with a zl-ve engine
How can I make it faster ?

Re: Mazda Familia/323/Protege BJ 323 ZL-VE questions

Posted: December 28th, 2018, 4:43 pm
by Strugglerzinc
Hakeel wrote:Hey goodnight my name is hakeel I am from Barbados I have a 4wd bj 2001 Mazda with a zl-ve engine
How can I make it faster ?


Lets be honest, nothing you can throw at that engine will make it significantly faster for the money.

Easiest, fastest way is an engine swap to an FS or bigger. Immediate gains for the same money as ZL performance parts that will have little effect.