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Postby bandit1201 » March 22nd, 2009, 10:48 pm

anybody ever hear about that engine?........maztune shed some light on this engine for meh nah :) .....mig u too, ah need some info about it.

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Postby bandit1201 » March 23rd, 2009, 11:48 pm

i read about it, what i would really like to know is how it performs and if anyone has had any experience with it.Most mechanics and race demons :twisted: does say: 'ent tha's a toyota engine?' So anyone out there who can shed some light, share some experience and knowledge about it, will be greatly appreciated.

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Postby mafia generation » March 24th, 2009, 5:46 am

never drove one but saw one in a 4 door 626!!!


from wha i heard is a sure SR killer!!!


oh an d 626 does work real good!!!
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Postby bandit1201 » March 24th, 2009, 9:13 am

was it a green 626?

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Postby mafia generation » March 24th, 2009, 10:19 pm

yea ah kind dark green!!!

was lookin rel neat!!!

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Postby bandit1201 » March 27th, 2009, 1:50 am

hey mafia, how does the f8 dohc run?I checked out ur car inthe 2nr rides,it looks decent.

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Postby xtech » March 27th, 2009, 5:33 pm

I got the complete engine manual for the FE3N on CD must be about 500+ pages of stuff like ECU error codes

The FE3 motor part# FE3N was in the following cars: 87-92 626 Capella FWD &AWD, 626 Capella Coupe (MX-6), 626 Capella Wagon FWD & AWD,and a very very very limited edition 626 Capella AWD Turbo, and the Ford Telstar. They never used this engine in the Probes.

The engine design is based on the F series block, but a very similiar design of the B series engines, like the Mazda 323 GTX/GTR motor, the 90-94 Mazda Protege LX dual cam motor.

The FE3 motor is a 2.0 liter 1998cc 121.9cu.in DOHC 16-valve engine. The engine came mostly normally aspirated, but turbocharge briefly for a Rally team. The FE3 came with a lofty 170hp@6000 rpm and 160ft/lbs of torque @4500rpm, and turbocharge came with a beefy 260hp and 283ft/lbs of torque with 13.5 psi stock. The normally aspirated engine came with 9.5:1 compression, and the limited turbocharge one came 8.8:1. Both engines had the same bore and stroke. The bore is the same as the F2/F2T motor, which is 86mm, 3.39cu in. The stroke is also 86mm, 3.39cu in, as the F2/F2T is 94mm, 3.70cu in.

The F2/F2T and the FE3 block designs are the same, and both are F series blocks. The only difference in block are the deck height, and oil return hole from the cylinder head.

One of the main difference is that the FE3 engine comes with oil squirters that is drilled into the main oil gallery that points to the bottom of each piston, and sprays oil on the pistons to keep them cool. Also the main bearing section is a little different as well. The FE3 engine comes with an all cast aluminum oil pan, and the windage tray is bolted in the oil pan, and the main bearing caps are bolted also with a main bearing brace that keeps the bottom end from flexing.

Both turbo and non turbo FE3 motors come with this setup, the only difference is the compression. Some of the Rally guys I spoke with, they used the non turbo FE3 with turbos on them, and worked fine.

The crankshaft is forged, and the rods are too. The rods are shorter than the F2/F2T motor, but they are a little beefer than the F2/F2T rods. The pistons are hyper like the F2T motor, but the pistons are full-floating. Which means that the piston, the piston pin, and the rods are free. Meaning that the piston can glide on the piston pin, and the piston pin can glide on the rod, and the rod can glide on the piston pin. Which reduces friction on a high-revving engine like the FE3.

The factory redline on the FE3 is 7000 rpm, but the factory ECU was limited to 7400 rpm. But some people have rev them to 8800 rpm. The cam are very aggressive, with very high lift on both intake and exhaust valves. The exhaust cam has more duration, but both non turbo and turbo engines use the same cams. The cylinder head design is very B series engine like. But this is the only Mazda engine that come with 2 valve springs per valve. The springs are stiff, so you don't get valve float at high rpm's. The port design is 30% larger than the F2/F2T motor, and have a very downward valve angle port design. This is very good for turbocharging, Mazda did a very good job with valve angles with there engines, including the F2/F2T as well. The exhaust ports are 42% bigger than the F2/F2T motor.

The FE3 exhaust ports are the same size as the 93-98 Toyota Supra twin turbo, and the same angle. All the ports angle toward the middle of the engine, thus towards the turbocharger if fitted. The Toyota Supra is angled the same way. The valves are the same exact, I mean exact size of the 90-95 Nissan 300ZX twin turbo.

The intake manifold is very unique. The intake manifold system comes with 2 plenums. The first one is the one you see outside the engine when you see it. The second one is for the VICS system.

The VICS system is called Variable Interia Intake Control System. The system works very simple...As the engine is at idle up to 4400rpms, the VICS system has secondary plates in the intake runners. But when the engine is in this operating range of rpm's of idle up to 4400 rpm's, this extra air is held in the secondary plenum. So imagine if turbocharge? What ever pounds of boost you are running, that boost pressure is held in the secondary plenum chamber. The primary intake system works just like the F2/F2T engine. When the engine reaches 4500 rpms, the ECU opens the secondary plates, and release the held air or pressure to rush into the intake ports, and allow the engine to get air from two different ways, thus increasing the breathing on the engine.




These are the most asked questions...


Do the FE3 motor drops right into my ProbeGT or MX-6/626 GT?

Yes the motor drops right in.


Can I used the stock F2/F2T ECU to control the FE3 motor?

Well you can, but you have to modify the stock F2T distributor to fit. The FE3 distributor is longer, it actually extends further in the head than the F2 one. So you will have to extend the F2 distributor shaft to reach the FE3 exhaust cam. Both F2/FE3 cams are the same size on the distributor end.


Can I used the stock F2T transmission?

Yes you can! You can use the F2T transmission, flywheel, clutch, and motor mounts, and axles. Even the intermediate shaft of the transmission bolts right up to the FE3 block.


And yes you can use your stock motor mounts off your F2, and your alternator and bracket, powersteering and bracket, A/C and bracket on the FE3 motor.


Can I use the F2 sensors?

Yes you can, but you don't have to. The FE3 comes with the same sensors as the F2. The only difference is the distributor, and the VICS control solenoid, and the FE3 doesn't have a EGR valve.



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Postby mafia generation » March 27th, 2009, 9:04 pm

f8 works great dread!!!

must admit though i running ah old 3speed tranny so i eh run it for wha it worth!!!

3rd gear runnin out at about 170-172kph with the rims in the pic!!!
got on 18's now never ran it hard wit d rims but it would hinder prformance IMHO!!!

ran it wit 14' steelies once dat waas a trip :wink:


oh trying to get a number for a guy in aranguez he had a complete fe3n wit gearbox las time i check he wanted 7k for it!!!

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Postby xtech » March 27th, 2009, 9:07 pm

^^^^^...... he always in the papers

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Postby bandit1201 » March 27th, 2009, 11:12 pm

I think the original 5 speed gearbox for the par/pas 626 does work with the f8.

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Postby bandit1201 » March 28th, 2009, 9:03 pm

what guy? the 626 specialist?

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Postby mafia generation » March 28th, 2009, 11:16 pm

yea d 5 speed does work!!!

nah not him, the place is on d LHS at the san juan lights!!!

thats the lights after the walkover!!!

turn left at the lights an go straight down the street!!!

the place is on the LHS in that street almost to the end!!!

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Postby bandit1201 » March 29th, 2009, 9:01 am

el socorro? That's my home town! Ah wonder if ah know that fella boy?Ah go check him and see if he have the head. :mrgreen:

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Postby bandit1201 » April 18th, 2009, 7:26 pm

:twisted: thy's the sheit!!!

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Postby mafia generation » April 20th, 2009, 9:20 am

ah dred!!!
aye bandit like u still considerin swappin out or wha!!! :|

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Postby bandit1201 » April 20th, 2009, 9:30 am

yeah boy maf! and ah going to turbo with about 20psi

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Postby mafia generation » April 20th, 2009, 9:21 pm

so y yuh doh go bpt an done!!!

i was studyin tuh turbo d f8 but as ah get hit ah jus goin an fix over d body!!! :( :( :(

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Postby bandit1201 » April 20th, 2009, 10:53 pm

not too sure if the bpt is a bolt in for the 626.I know the side mount has to be modified for the 323.The fe on the other hand is a direct bolt up, and the block with the aluminium sump pan already has internals that can take up to 35 psi.Plus cost is another factor i like to pay attention to, a bpt cost like what? 10k and above.The f8 does real wuk! just getting a lil prob with the fuel pump, hopefully tomorrow that'll be sorted out.Plus ah does get real pips from dem sr boys.they does always ask "mazda have that kinda power boy?"Imagine what go happen when ah turbo up the fe and put it in :twisted:

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Postby xtech » October 25th, 2009, 9:00 pm

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Postby Groovemaster » November 1st, 2009, 4:28 am

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Postby mafia generation » November 1st, 2009, 10:10 am

sweet!!! :shock:

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Postby bandit1201 » November 12th, 2009, 5:40 pm

Ok fellas, I get the fe block and looking the boost it b4 the xmas :twisted:.Just waiting on the c.head gasket.

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Postby xtech » November 12th, 2009, 5:43 pm

where you get the block

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Postby bandit1201 » November 12th, 2009, 5:48 pm

got it from a guy in Barataria, it's the block with the aluminium sump.

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Postby xtech » November 12th, 2009, 6:06 pm

ok........i saw another down south nah head an block with oil cooler an d aluminum sump pan............ fella wanted $2k

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Postby nareshseep » November 13th, 2009, 9:03 pm

looks good man, mazda needs support

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Postby hayes » April 18th, 2011, 5:17 pm

where can i get this engine 2 buy complete and ah average price pics if possible tanxz

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Postby bandit1201 » April 18th, 2011, 5:49 pm

^^^ u have to real look for that engine pappy!!!....but once yuh find it,yuh on! try the 626 specialist aranguez...his number is in the express classifieds.Last time i spoke to him he claims to have one

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