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ZL-VE head on ZM-DE, Has it ever been done before?

Posted: August 22nd, 2008, 8:25 am
by FullStop
has it ever been done before, or just talked about? I'm interested in checking it out rather than doing the complete engine swap since i can get the head quite cheaply but i would need to get the brain and harness right? has anyone ever done the headswap and written a walkthrough?

Posted: August 22nd, 2008, 8:39 am
by nareshseep
I know the opposite has been done, why not go that route, zm head, on zl block, i think with the setup you want, the thottle body(1.5) might be too small for the zm 1.6

Posted: August 22nd, 2008, 8:47 am
by nareshseep

Posted: August 22nd, 2008, 8:49 am
by nareshseep
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:rA ... =firefox-a

Any ZL (1.5l) botom end parts will work with the 1.6l (ZM-DE) engine.
The ZL-VE head (which has S-VT) is a direct swap to the ZM-DE engine. You will
need to figure out a way to control the hydraulic controller that varies the intake cam
timing. This system is similar to the one used in the 2001+ Miata BP-VE engines, so
talk to the Miata guys about it the S-VT on their cars to learn more.
Any ZL-DE top end parts will work with the ZM-DE engine.

Posted: August 22nd, 2008, 3:52 pm
by Strugglerzinc
^^^ shouldn't have that problem as the ECU on the VE will handle that.

Posted: August 25th, 2008, 8:14 pm
by chevy3k
my 2003 protege overheated over a month ago. the vehicle originally came with a zm 1.6 dohc,however on the head,(just over where the thermostat is located) was marked
"zl 5-2".

so i bought a zl head at the bamboo, installed it on my zm block and it works.

only thing though, is that you can hear a knock coming from the engine & i do not know why.

Posted: August 25th, 2008, 11:21 pm
by FullStop
zl-de head or zl-ve head?, i wanna buy the head this week, but them blasted ppl only wanna sell head and block, i ent need no friggin block, but what about compression, isnt the zl-ve compression higher than the zm-de? will that be an issue...and by the way, this is a long term project due to diminishing funding...

Posted: August 26th, 2008, 7:25 am
by mazdamig
Before u do this u have a gearbox.

Posted: August 26th, 2008, 8:53 am
by FullStop
nooo... like i said, i just going to get the head and do the prep work, probly end of year into nex year will do the install

Posted: August 26th, 2008, 11:52 am
by Strugglerzinc
ghostbusters wrote:and by the way, this is a long term project due to diminishing funding...


welcome to tha club :D

Posted: August 26th, 2008, 12:49 pm
by FullStop
yeah boy business sucking real bad these days

Posted: August 29th, 2008, 11:25 pm
by red bwoy
i help ah man out wid some info awhile ago he did de swap zm-de block wid vvt head de only problem is tuh get de abs and de speedo workin not waht de electrician did but right now he has ah babymonste ron his hands all he missin is de gear box but de zm tranny holdin de strain well

Posted: August 30th, 2008, 5:21 pm
by nareshseep
^^ wicked !!

Posted: August 30th, 2008, 5:43 pm
by red bwoy
de ve compression ration is 9.4:1 de zm is 9.0:1 de only difference is de zm stroke its 83.6mm as opposed to de ve which is 78.4mm pistons shape an combustion chamber prolly make up de difference in compression i guess

Posted: September 20th, 2008, 1:18 am
by aleeassang
dis guy wit a black 323 hatch back did de frank!! his rpm built whoa!! Mark was his name one of my home-boys helped him do it!! too bad he sold it!!!

Posted: September 20th, 2008, 12:42 pm
by FullStop
come an ppl, doh call it franenstein, das dem honda boys ting, everything dem build is a frankenstein, we ha to call it something else, more original dan dat...i still head hunting, if anybody go bamboo shopping and come across a complete zl-ve head wit valve cover and everything, give meh a shout

Posted: September 21st, 2008, 6:25 pm
by mingrio
But who doing the modification's for you? you have a good mechanic?

Posted: September 21st, 2008, 8:02 pm
by FullStop
yeah, i have ah boss mechanic , real tops, das no worry

Posted: September 21st, 2008, 10:17 pm
by mingrio
Well keep we posted want to do that modification also,that modification sounding crazy!!!