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Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: July 3rd, 2008, 8:35 am
by riderz
So, how does Water injection work for you. I for one have used it for the past year and I can say it does do as the product manufactures suggest.

The coolingmist kit is one of the popular applications. I went with the trunckmount progressive injection with the Super High Speed Valves. Nice simple installation.

The installation itself took about 1 hour and required not much tools. I prefer to crimp the wires for more insulated protection than twisting them and taping. That in itself speeds up the installation process.

Tuning.
The whole idea behind WMI kits is to do two things.
1. Cool the intake temps
2. Raise the fuel octane.

Some say with a 50/50 mix its like rasing over 100octane from pump. Some say a 30/70 (W/M) would yeild about 120octane from pump gas.

This is done in two stages, as you go into boost the kit activates and mists the mixture from the tank into the boost path. This enters the intake and then the chamber. The water in the mixture takes heat with it down through the exhaust lowering the exhaust temps. This reduces knock.

The Methanol in the mixture raises the octane in the fuel (remember this is an alcohol based liquid).

Both action inadvertently raises the octane level, and allows you to run, more boost, more ignition and leaner mixtures. All these deliver power.

The downside.
If the pump fails or any other item in the WMI kit fails you leave your engine prone to damage. Its advisable to install a failsafe to the system

Secondly you must monitor you tank to ensure it doesnt run dry.

Thirdly, tuning is necessary. If you add WMI to the stock system the mixture being injected displaces the air that should be there. You would run rich and lose some power. Its advisable to lean mixtures slightly to compensate. Of course monitor knock and AFRs when you do this.

Posted: July 5th, 2008, 6:29 pm
by future shop llc
Taught it over for the past few months and decided to take this route



My CoolingMist WMI kit has a 1 Gal tank and flow sensor... but, I am thinking of also taping into the washer fluid bottle as well and fill that with distilled water for the extra capacity.

If this makes sense that is?

I plan to run plain water at first for the daily runs and hill climbs through Maracas ;)

then use 60/40 Water/Meth for the brisk runs

Posted: July 6th, 2008, 8:58 am
by riderz
Another way you could extract some nice power.

The $10...50whp mod.

So you tuned for water and methanol. Trust me you would be putting out some nice numbers. But you too damn lazy to go to your supplier to by meth. Well you dont have to turn down your boost and drive a granny car.

Buy a bag of ice. Fill your meth bottle to 2/3 and top up the rest with ice. If you can lean your mixture out a little. In the hottest of days you should get about 6 hrs if you can top up with the ice.

If you running just water. You may need to dial back boost a little but still lean your mixtures if they are under 11.2 (dont lean if you are already at threshold)

Posted: July 14th, 2008, 9:05 pm
by blackNshine
cost to re-fill?

Posted: July 17th, 2008, 12:07 pm
by riderz
Refill?

Refill with what?

Water or Methanol

Methanol normally cost about $50 a gal could last about 3 Gas tanks. And you could fill it yourself as easy as pouring it in.

Posted: September 7th, 2008, 3:21 pm
by sss
where do u get the methonal to buy ?

Posted: September 9th, 2008, 4:55 am
by monk_t
what he said...^^^

Posted: September 9th, 2008, 5:26 pm
by Ragnarok
Easy to get if you work in a methanol plant....

Posted: September 20th, 2008, 8:02 pm
by kevinm
yup lol

Posted: September 22nd, 2008, 6:32 pm
by JWT
i am yet to see an sti on water meth make actual HP

If 120octane was possible all tuners would be running that
i do not see that in ams or Mzm cars or any top sti or evo

Posted: September 23rd, 2008, 9:00 am
by riderz
Thats because you have never really seen any of those top STI or EVO. You ever ride in anything over 500whp paddna. I have seen 512whp with meth, 450whp 350Z with meth, 480whp STi with meth.

The thing is different tuners prefer different things. So MZM and AMS may prefer bigger injectors on pump, but other tuning shops prefer water meth. MZM market their tuning thru DCsports so more and more people are directed to their site but they are not the only ones that build engine etc.

My friends in Texas have 500whp daily drivers, you think that they do it on pump gas whole day. Think again.

Posted: November 16th, 2008, 11:15 pm
by greyfox2501
how does it affect gas mileage riderz,surely improves it right?if so by how much?

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: January 9th, 2013, 7:47 pm
by TheBoostLord
Bump! The question still remains on where to get meth!

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: January 9th, 2013, 11:58 pm
by Tile Expression Ltd.
KiD wrote:Bump! The question still remains on where to get meth!


Tuner Imports
Full Traction Auto

i think Silverstar

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: January 10th, 2013, 1:15 pm
by honda hoe
tuner imports

$40/gallon

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: January 29th, 2013, 7:08 pm
by belalegosi
riderz wrote:My friends in Texas have 500whp daily drivers, you think that they do it on pump gas whole day. Think again.


Uh yes. 500hp is not hard to do on pump gas. :|

KiD wrote:Bump! The question still remains on where to get meth!


Windshield washer fluid :D
Check the ingredients first though :lol:

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: July 2nd, 2013, 9:52 am
by ramfab2000
You can get Meth from SHIFT PERFORMANCE in Arima he has in stock.

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: August 29th, 2013, 6:46 pm
by belalegosi
is it Mr. White's blue stuff?

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: December 15th, 2013, 11:48 am
by Goolie
Question:what if for some reason, your water meth mixture finishes while driving.. then what?
1. Stay out of boost?
2. If your car is tuned to run on super gasoline, go fill up some premium to get the higher octane benefit?

Re: Water Methanol Injection on Subarus. Whats your Views.

Posted: December 15th, 2013, 12:46 pm
by TheBoostLord
Stay out of boost is the easiest. You don't need/use meth in vacuum. If in worst case scenario I would fill with water and turn down boost. Premium would also help.