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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 3rd, 2016, 7:06 pm

I ceramic coated my back end as well as piping. I installed a turbo blanket as well over the backend.

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby 16 cycles » March 4th, 2016, 5:15 am

Who did the ceramic coating?

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 4th, 2016, 6:08 am

Performance coatings in south

Vive- 389-2617

Tell him Aaron gave you the number

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby air wick » March 4th, 2016, 12:29 pm

how much did the the back end cost?

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 4th, 2016, 6:20 pm

Call Vive and chat with him

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby air wick » March 4th, 2016, 8:29 pm

Will do

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby castortroy » March 5th, 2016, 10:59 am

Ninecast (370-9666) does excellent work, did my FMIC piping powder-coat as well as headers, EWG and uppipe ceramic coated by them - fantastic job!

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 12th, 2016, 8:53 pm

Lance, do you plan on dyno'ing the car to see the graph vs the virtual dyno curve.
Would love the see

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 13th, 2016, 11:50 am

I had planned to but Garth was a bit booked up during that period, probably because of drags I assume.

I left the country a few days ago so I will probably have it done when I return.

If anyone has a recent dyno then we can probably do the reverse. They could probably post a log and we can plot the VD.

The key to a good VD is to log on a flat road and to ensure that the parameters are setup correctly.

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 21st, 2016, 10:39 am

What is everyone up to these days?

My next upgrade is a 6-speed box and flex fuel on the Stock 16 bit ECU!

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 21st, 2016, 3:32 pm

Nice... Like someone going ethanol

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 22nd, 2016, 7:53 am

Aaron 2NR wrote:Nice... Like someone going ethanol


It is very appealing. I like the convenience of the blended tune as opposed to pure dual map switching.

I never entertained the option of tuning for a race type fuel because I knew the only way I could use it is if I had a tank of pure race fuel.

Now I could just drop a few gallons of ethanol in and enjoy a nice increase in performance for a weekend run!

I need to sort the gearbox out first though. I'm already beyond its limit.

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 22nd, 2016, 9:01 am

sweet....
I'm exploring it as well, the only downside is the 30% more duty cycle and the availability of ethanol locally since only Gideon I know is bringing it

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 22nd, 2016, 9:52 am

This is something that I would have to change as well.

I'm already at 72% IDC on 1000cc injectors so more than likely i'll have to move up to a bigger set if I plan to go ethanol.

I saw the post for ethanol floating around facebook. The price doesn't seem bad, any idea how much is in a pail?

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 22nd, 2016, 9:55 am

5 gallons....prob the same post from Gids you saw...


i'm going with a MS109 premix for the track...mainly for safety and not a full tune on race gas....

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby 16 cycles » March 22nd, 2016, 2:46 pm

you all intend to run to blended fuel + wami?


what final ron values you're expecting?

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 22nd, 2016, 3:21 pm

the race fuel is for more added protection while circuit racing because of high oil and water temperatures.

my turbo should be maxed around 430hp or so

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 23rd, 2016, 5:04 am

I have no clue what the final Ron equivalent figure would be.

You would have the flex fuel monitor to tell you what the final ethanol blend is but I'm not sure what the overall effect would be once meth starts spraying.

I'm usually not too concerned with this though. I just let the tuner incrementally increase the map aggression and let the motor and turbo setup tell me when it's beginning to feel unhappy (onset of knock, minimal returns to boost and timing adjustments etc.)

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 28th, 2016, 11:04 am

Making the switch to some digital gauges. I've been finding it hard to keep track of the analog ones I have now.

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Got a deal on two. The boost was missing the sensor but I will probably just tap the 3.5 bar aem map sensor that I have on the car now for speed density. It's basically the stainless steel version of the brass one that aem ships with the gauge.

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 28th, 2016, 5:50 pm

Most of mine are digital as well. A lot easier to monitor at a glance.

Only analogue I have are the water temp and oil temp because they are elite series autometer with alarms and they match my dash panel too...

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 28th, 2016, 6:22 pm

This is why I'm going digital as well.

Before, the extra time to process the needle and align it to a number wasn't too bad.

It's starting to be a issue now though, to a point where i don't feel it's safe anymore.

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby castortroy » March 28th, 2016, 8:21 pm

Nice nice, does anybody have the twin gauge pod for the instrument cluster on their car? I already have the ati triple gauge pod installed and contemplating to get one one of those gauge pod clusters to house the WM gauge or just get a single and stick on the cluster itself....

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » March 29th, 2016, 4:35 am

I saw that autometer has one that about 80us or so. Can't confirm the exact fitment though but I assume it would be similar.

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby 16 cycles » March 29th, 2016, 6:15 am

why not go with gauges that have warnings?

defi-s can do this iirc?

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby castortroy » March 29th, 2016, 9:46 pm

Any fitment issues with the smy?

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Aaron 2NR » March 29th, 2016, 10:04 pm

There is a small space on the right bottom corner but u don't really see it so I'd say 96% perfect

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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » April 21st, 2016, 11:02 am

I've have been using learning view for some time now- since 2011 (up until this version of my ROM). I really can't stress on how useful it is as a tool to monitor and detect mechanical and electronic (ecu tuning) issues with your vehicle. I just wanted to provide a brief overview on how I interpret a typical learning view and what areas I usually pay attention to. I would also like to highlight some of the misconceptions floating around- especially as it relates to the a/f learning tables.

I am no means an ecu "tuner". I'm just learning. I've highlighted the three aspects of learning view that I pay the most attention to when i'm trying to quickly deduce the state of my motor (see screenshot below). I've chosen a Learning View that better illustrates some of the issues that you would need to look out for (meaning this photo is where you want things to be). The three post following this one will address each of the sections highlighted.


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Re: The Tuning Thread- EJ Motor

Postby Lance » April 21st, 2016, 11:05 am

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(1) This is probably the first thing you should look at. The Ignition Advance Multiplier (IAM) gives you abroad idea of the health of motor - as it relates to significant instances of knock. To understand how IAM works you need to take into consideration how Subaru configures the ignition timing on our cars.

Total timing "available" = Base timing table + Knock correction advance table

This is primarily done to provide a safety mechanism for your car. Your base timing should, in principle, be a conservative timing map which can be reverted to in instances of mechanical failure (safe mode so to speak). The advance table is timing that will be added to the car in instances of no knock.

Essentially, IAM dictates how much advance timing will be added across the entire RPM/Load range of your base timing table. For 16 bit Subaru ECU, the maximum IAM will be 16. For 32 Bit ECUS the maximum IAM value is 1.

So assuming that there are no instances of FLKC (we will get to this), If your IAM is 16/1 then your car will be seeing the full allocation of timing (Base+Advance). If your ECU detects multiple instances of knock across the RPM/Load ranges which it cannot control for individually, then it will start to decrease your IAM value until the knock is no longer present. This effectively reduces the amount of advance timing that is applied to your base map. The lower the IAM value, the less advance timing is being applied - signaling increasing widespread knock.

So essentially, a 16/1 IAM means that the ECU is not experiencing widespread knock which it cannot control for.
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