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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby A.W.O.L » July 17th, 2010, 6:22 pm

hahaha...u sad boy..
we shall see..

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby zico85 » July 19th, 2010, 12:05 am

ZeroOne wrote:Thanks for the clarification EVA. :lol:

Im looking for a good electrician who could do a OEM installation for my fogs, I already have the OEM switch.



Where u get da switch to buy homie
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Re: CS Lancer!

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby EVA Unit-01 » July 19th, 2010, 3:53 am

^^^WOOOGOOOD!!! d new CS! fras, daz urs?

A.W.O.L wrote:hahaha...u sad boy..
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i am even sadder now that i saw it didn't help... :cry:

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby A.W.O.L » July 19th, 2010, 7:20 am

^^^ZICO i got the switch and relays from a crash CS..
EVA u have to take off the entire light an leave it in cool spot to dry...u need to see bout it cuz the excess moisture may blow ur hid bulbs..

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby EVA Unit-01 » July 19th, 2010, 7:47 am

^^^ i kno, eh?!? venum eh even bother 2 respond bout checkin mih wen he seein about his...

i figure i mite drop dat bumpa dis weekend & get dose lites out, cuz d 1 side i try 2 take out already hav a space cuz d bumpa kinda flex out :evil:

since idle was sayin it so easy, i tink i go chek 'im dis weekend 4 som expert assistance (& d orange ting :lol: )! i go bring d tools (& beers, if i get paid...)

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby fras » July 19th, 2010, 8:51 am

EVA Unit-01 pics of a CS here @ DM... Just a sunroof missing

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby EVA Unit-01 » July 19th, 2010, 11:17 am

^^^shud've included pics of rims

i like dem new rims a lot more dan i ones i got (& am sellin, btw :lol: )

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby fras » July 19th, 2010, 12:29 pm

Was tired last nite... And I can't get it embed for anything :(
http://img130.imageshack.us/slideshow/player.php?id=img130/65/1279556185j28.smil

They have 1 silver & 1 gray here
I think the only changes are to the interior & tranny! The seats, instrument cluster & steering wheel are sportier and of course the tip-tronic tranny :mrgreen:
If only they had sunroof 8-)

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby EVA Unit-01 » July 19th, 2010, 12:40 pm

^^^noice!! sunroof doh really matter, nuff sun doz get in d car as iz (daz y men hav 5% tint)

i like d layout of the IP, but d white wud look a lil "off" in my car. wuz lustin afta d rims 1st time i saw dem, din really chek out d interior

goin DM south dis weekend 2 service, will hav a look-see mihself...

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby turbo_beast369 » July 19th, 2010, 4:31 pm

^^^if anyone interested in a white IP like that, I have a link for someone that has it....

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby ZeroOne » July 19th, 2010, 5:02 pm

If yuh want to keep the mileage it dont make any sense to get a IP like that

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby A.W.O.L » July 19th, 2010, 7:07 pm

^^^4 REAL...
turbo how much azan tell u he want for the IP...?
2ndly ah find u en showin me the rotor upgrade.. :lol:

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby EVA Unit-01 » July 19th, 2010, 7:48 pm

A.W.O.L wrote:turbo ah find u en showin me the rotor upgrade.. :lol:

u do d ting & eh tell we?!? PICS!!!!

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby venum » July 19th, 2010, 11:05 pm

i need a complete headlight right side

the one on Silver cracked up and turning white

not an OEM for sure

have to give Bella a call or go scouting in the Bamboo

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby turbo_beast369 » July 20th, 2010, 8:29 am

A.W.O.L wrote:how much azan tell u he want for the IP...?
oh lawd he text you to lol..he tell meh $1,000

A.W.O.L wrote:2ndly ah find u en showin me the rotor upgrade..

EVA Unit-01 wrote:u do d ting & eh tell we?!? PICS!!!!

pics comin jus now it still dutty lol

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby fras » July 20th, 2010, 10:36 am

EVA Unit-01 wrote:^^^noice!! sunroof doh really matter, nuff sun doz get in d car as iz (daz y men hav 5% tint)

Sunroof for evening when d sun going down 8-)

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby tripplediamond » July 20th, 2010, 10:07 pm

Guys, i need an idle motor sensor for the throttlebody 4g18 (local) HELP!!! Where, cost and contact please!

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby venum » July 20th, 2010, 10:12 pm

i bought at DM - $4400.00

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby tripplediamond » July 20th, 2010, 11:34 pm

Wow, that is a hell of a price for that little sensor!

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby zico85 » July 21st, 2010, 7:10 am

who knows the whereabouts of a original fog light switch and relay?and flares!!!! i need flares ah!!!!!

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby A.W.O.L » July 21st, 2010, 12:13 pm

interesting read to see wat some guy doin with their gdi engine..i even see there's a 2.4L GDI out there..
http://www.wheelsjamaicahost.com/wheels ... c=110360.0

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby xtech » July 21st, 2010, 8:39 pm

tripplediamond wrote:Guys, i need an idle motor sensor for the throttlebody 4g18 (local) HELP!!! Where, cost and contact please!


The stepper motor can be problematic on many Mitsubishi models and this document's purpose is to aid in the fault diagnostic of that motor.

First problem maybe hunting at idle (clean the plunger and then reset the ECU) next it should work ok some times and at other times the idle would be low at start-up and then high at idle.

Description of operation

The stepper motor is used to control the idle speed according to revs and idle switch position. The throttle body has a throttle plate (butterfly valve) that is levered open by use of cable and returned by a spring. A spigot on the other side of the throttle body drives a resistor / switch to tell the engine ECU what position the accelerator pedal / throttle plate is in. When the accelerator pedal is not depressed and the throttle plate is closed the idle switch is made and the revs of the car are controlled by the Idle stepper motor.
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The idle stepper motor is simply a plunger that moves in and out of a recess in the throttle body and the movement in and out increases and decreases the air supply to the intake plenum and revs accordingly. See below for cut away side view of the stepper motor

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From this picture the plunger can be seen to be mounted on a shaft that passes through two bearings and is held in place by the pressure spring. On the shaft of the plunger is a ferrite core which is affected by magnetism. Around this ferrite core is two coil arrangements. The coil arrangements are made up of two copper wires wrapped around a bobin in both directions and terminated to the electrical connector.

The engine ECU controls the stepper motor by four transistors, two for inwards movement and two for outwards movement. By the ECU switching these transistors to 0V, a current is induced in the coil which creates an magnetic field and forces the ferrite core to move in one direction or another, either inwards or outwards. The ECU makes repeated "Steps" to maintain the revs according to load and temperature of the engine. When the engine is fully up to temperature the ECU makes very little adjustment at all.

Symptons of Faulty Stepper Motor

1) Low Idle at cold - no apparent choke

2) High idle at warm - reving at 2000+ rpm

3) Intermittant idle at other time (hunting)


All or both of the above sometimes.

Of course many other things can cause these same symptons but the guide below is to determine IF IT IS THE STEPPER MOTOR.

Mechanical

Remove the whole stepper motor from the throttle body by removing the air intake to the throttle body and unscrewing the TWO bolts/screws on the body of the stepper motor.

1) First thing to do is clean the plunger head and the recess it goes into - as carbon deposits on the plunger tip can prevent it from seating properly - WD40 is supposed to be good for this. Note: Make sure you use a lint free cloth or bits are going to end where they shouldnt be.

Carry out an ECU reset by removing the battery power to the car for a time of approximately 30-45mins. This will cause the ECU to re-learn the action of the Stepper motor.

Re-assemble stepper motor to throtle body and re-connect the air intake

No good - Next step

Remove the electrical part of the stepper motor (brown cover) secured by three cross head screws and carefully withdraw the unit, ensuring the spring does not drop out and bounce away.

2) Check that the plunger moves on the bearings

3) Get the car warm with the temeperature needle in the middle of the gauge and twist the black ferrite core fully one way or another to get the idle speed required. If there are stable revs (not hunting) at this point you have proved the fault is more than likely electrical.



If it is not stable then the stepper motor plunger may be worn and it is worth going to the junk yard or a Mitsubishi dealer to get new or working used unit.

Electrical connection of Stepper motor

Having done the mechanical bits and everything is stable the fault is probably electrical.

First place to check for any fault is the connection block wiring. Being an electro mechanical device the The stepper motor is connected to the engine ECU by a six way block located in the engine compartment. See below for drawing and connection detail.

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Ensure the connection is clean and wiggling the wires with engine at idle does not affect anything.

.....with the electrical part still removed of the stepper motor

Use a multimeter and measure the resistance between the middle pin and the outer pin and repeat for the other outer pin. Now repeat for the other middle pin to the outer pins. Readings should be in the order to 30 ohms from outer to middle and 60 ohms from outer to outer. If > 45 ohms between outer and middle then the connection on the coil is breaking down and the coil in question may not be driving the plunger in and out all the time.

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If the measurement is fine then a final test is remove the plunger body and re-assemble the whole stepper unit. Take a wire connected to the battery +ve and connect to the centre pins and another wire to 0V (chassis ) to one set of the outer upper and lower pins and dab on and off these pins. The motor should move the plunger in one direction and then check the other two outer pins moves the stepper in the other direction.

If OK then check for 12v on the centre pins of the wiring loom connector. Also compare a reading of resistance of the outer pins to chassis when hot and when cold. The readings taken should be the same for two pairs of outer pins when hot and the other two pairs when cold.

Other problems associated with the stepper are incorrect temperature reading to the ECU and the switching of these four signals from the ECU.

Hope this helps......................

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby ZeroOne » July 21st, 2010, 8:54 pm

zico85 wrote:who knows the whereabouts of a original fog light switch and relay?and flares!!!! i need flares ah!!!!!



For the flares best thing to do is to get the fiber glass kit cost about 2500, the OEM kit is very rear.

The original fog switch and harness and relay you could put up a WTB post on th forums for that.

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby turbo_beast369 » July 21st, 2010, 10:16 pm

very good info xtech

anybody lookin for Dunlop Direzza DZ101 various size tyres at very good prices...check meh...

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby idlemind » July 22nd, 2010, 6:46 am

Excellent work xtech.

Any 17s or 15s turbo?

EVA I have your orange stuff

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby EVA Unit-01 » July 22nd, 2010, 7:52 am

idlemind wrote:Excellent work xtech.

x2

idlemind wrote:Any 17s or 15s turbo?

be careful wit dem ting, eh... :?

idlemind wrote:EVA I have your orange stuff

sweet! wuz ur plan dis wkend? help mih tek out mih bumpa & hedlytes nah! :lol:

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby A.W.O.L » July 22nd, 2010, 8:13 am

turbo_beast369 wrote:anybody lookin for Dunlop Direzza DZ101 various size tyres at very good prices...check meh...

How much for 205-45-17's..?

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby tripplediamond » July 22nd, 2010, 10:34 am

pics of the throttle body==> viewtopic.php?f=33&t=324322&start=0, i replaced the o ring on the idle motor sensor, still the same idle dropping when ac cuts in, is the idle motor sensor the sensor that controls the ac step up? if not, where is this sensor?...

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Re: CS Lancer!

Postby zico85 » July 22nd, 2010, 12:55 pm

tripplediamond wrote:pics of the throttle body==> viewtopic.php?f=33&t=324322&start=0, i replaced the o ring on the idle motor sensor, still the same idle dropping when ac cuts in, is the idle motor sensor the sensor that controls the ac step up? if not, where is this sensor?...


Go have those lines checked out and reconnected if they can.Go and get your injectors cleaned(most important),spark plugs checked and trottle serviced and let the person cleaning the injectors ensure ur fuel pressure is good.and u will be good to go,had the same problem.

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