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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 11:10 am

Anyone here ever used the Morel Primo 8s or any of the Primo subs? I want to do 2 8s on 500 rms in a tline in the not too distant future. Also can the Morels be sourced locally?

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Rovin » January 4th, 2022, 1:18 pm

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 2:28 pm

Thanks Rovin


Any experiences with them or other recommendations? Was watching the Arc or IDQs

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby kavaninho » January 4th, 2022, 2:51 pm

david12 wrote:Thanks Rovin


Any experiences with them or other recommendations? Was watching the Arc or IDQs


To me these are better subs. Even the 8W3 from JL.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 3:34 pm

The Arcs rated 150rms not too sure if I want to potentially put the double the power to it, just to keep everything safe. Those JLs are appealing will consider. Thanks kavaninho

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby *KRONIK* » January 4th, 2022, 3:52 pm

Fellaz
Advice time:

Whats a good size (guage) wire to run from amp at rear of vehicle, to the 4 doors?

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 4:14 pm

david12 wrote:Thanks Rovin


Any experiences with them or other recommendations? Was watching the Arc or IDQs


The arc 8 and id8 are basically the same sub.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Rovin » January 4th, 2022, 6:26 pm

david12 wrote:Anyone here ever used the Morel Primo 8s or any of the Primo subs? I want to do 2 8s on 500 rms in a tline in the not too distant future. Also can the Morels be sourced locally?


if this is for HT use where most likely space is not an issue , why not go with bigger sub\s ? ....

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Rovin » January 4th, 2022, 6:29 pm

*KRONIK* wrote:Fellaz
Advice time:

Whats a good size (guage) wire to run from amp at rear of vehicle, to the 4 doors?


there are plenty speaker wire length & gauge charts online u can google ...

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby *KRONIK* » January 4th, 2022, 6:32 pm

Rovin wrote:
*KRONIK* wrote:Fellaz
Advice time:

Whats a good size (guage) wire to run from amp at rear of vehicle, to the 4 doors?


there are plenty speaker wire length & gauge charts online u can google ...
Lol

Yea
But ideally just off the top of y'all experienced guy's heads
What works for around 80rms?

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Rovin » January 4th, 2022, 6:36 pm

16g will work fine & its cheap around $8\yd for stinger ...

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 6:38 pm

Yeah 16g for that, 14g if you intend to upgrade later on.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 6:40 pm

The jbl gto 8 is a great budget sub.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 6:51 pm

*KRONIK* wrote:
Rovin wrote:
*KRONIK* wrote:Fellaz
Advice time:

Whats a good size (guage) wire to run from amp at rear of vehicle, to the 4 doors?


there are plenty speaker wire length & gauge charts online u can google ...
Lol

Yea
But ideally just off the top of y'all experienced guy's heads
What works for around 80rms?
I am not a good candidate to answer lol. I always run heavier guage wire than I need to. Off the top of my head I would say maybe 14 or 16g but as Rovin said go find a chart and use that info.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 7:05 pm

Rovin wrote:
david12 wrote:Anyone here ever used the Morel Primo 8s or any of the Primo subs? I want to do 2 8s on 500 rms in a tline in the not too distant future. Also can the Morels be sourced locally?


if this is for HT use where most likely space is not an issue , why not go with bigger sub\s ? ....
You guess good boy, yes it's for HT, but space is sort of an issue. I don't want the enclosure to have a large footprint. The area where it's going isn't that big so I was thinking the largest I could go is a 12. 2 8s in a tline would be perfect because I can keep the height short. My box man said a tline would work best inside a bigger open room.

Currently I have a Resilient Sounds Entry 10 in a ported enclosure and it did the one thing I wanted it to do at the time, get nasty low and loud. Listening to rebassed music in a house is a different feeling lol. But it doesn't satisfy on normal music like 80s 90s pop, rock etc. It's kinda sloppy. For the occasional movie it's not that bad, but I more use the system for music.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby X_Factor » January 4th, 2022, 7:35 pm

If u interested in a ht 18 in a 3.5cube sealed enclosure..lmk...selling it cheap
Wall shaking lfe and only 600rms need

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 7:42 pm

Not looking to buy anything just yet, was looking at options for now but thanks for sharing. If it's still in your possession middle of the year I will consider. I'll definitely make space for that lol

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 7:50 pm

A t line built properly for a pair of 8's ain't no small enclosure. 4th order that 10 instead.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 7:54 pm

Was hoping that it would be a similar footprint to a 12 inch ported which I know I could fit. But the issue with space lies in height. So the 8s would be better.

Front or rear ported 4th order?

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Brian Steele » January 4th, 2022, 9:16 pm

rollingstock wrote:A t line built properly for a pair of 8's ain't no small enclosure. 4th order that 10 instead.


A properly-designed TL for any driver will most times be only slightly larger in volume than a properly-designed vented box for the same driver with the same Fb (box resonance frequency).

Unfortunately there are some TL "design rules" out there that are pretty bad (taking into consideration only the driver's Sd and its Fs), and the end result when you follow them is basically a 1/4 wave "bass whistle" that will have an exaggerated response at its resonance frequency, and likely all sorts of nonsense happening further up the spectrum. If you want one-note bass, that's the way to go.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 9:46 pm

david12 wrote:Was hoping that it would be a similar footprint to a 12 inch ported which I know I could fit. But the issue with space lies in height. So the 8s would be better.

Front or rear ported 4th order?


Rear ported for ht worked better for me.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby *KRONIK* » January 4th, 2022, 10:19 pm

rollingstock wrote:Yeah 16g for that, 14g if you intend to upgrade later on.
I thinking 14 cuz i dont know if i may seriously expand/upgrade later on....
Rovin wrote:16g will work fine & its cheap around $8\yd for stinger ...
Not bad
david12 wrote:
*KRONIK* wrote:
Rovin wrote:
*KRONIK* wrote:Fellaz
Advice time:

Whats a good size (guage) wire to run from amp at rear of vehicle, to the 4 doors?


there are plenty speaker wire length & gauge charts online u can google ...
Lol

Yea
But ideally just off the top of y'all experienced guy's heads
What works for around 80rms?
I am not a good candidate to answer lol. I always run heavier guage wire than I need to. Off the top of my head I would say maybe 14 or 16g but as Rovin said go find a chart and use that info.
Lol

Same thought procees, but womdering if its overkill

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 10:27 pm

I'd go 14 gauge. 12 is overkill

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby david12 » January 4th, 2022, 10:31 pm

Brian Steele wrote:
rollingstock wrote:A t line built properly for a pair of 8's ain't no small enclosure. 4th order that 10 instead.


A properly-designed TL for any driver will most times be only slightly larger in volume than a properly-designed vented box for the same driver with the same Fb (box resonance frequency).

Unfortunately there are some TL "design rules" out there that are pretty bad (taking into consideration only the driver's Sd and its Fs), and the end result when you follow them is basically a 1/4 wave "bass whistle" that will have an exaggerated response at its resonance frequency, and likely all sorts of nonsense happening further up the spectrum. If you want one-note bass, that's the way to go.
Just the man I wanted to hear! Thanks. I think ported may be slightly more idiot proof lol. Unless I spend my free time reading up on properly designed t lines. My box man said that he can build it but I don't think I trust him given these guys knowledge is mostly from one note wonders tuned to the sky.
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david12 wrote:Was hoping that it would be a similar footprint to a 12 inch ported which I know I could fit. But the issue with space lies in height. So the 8s would be better.

Front or rear ported 4th order?


Rear ported for ht worked better for me.
Hmmm will do some research. What sub did you use?
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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Rovin » January 4th, 2022, 10:32 pm

14g stinger is $12\yd, if it helps u feel better no harm in using a lil thicker wire

yrs ago working on my car late & only thing i had to make a 110v light to see what i was doing was some stinger 16g speaker wire which i made into a 10ft extension spiral florescent bulb light, had it on for hrs with no problem, still have it in my store to show ppl what a thin wire can do ...

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Rovin » January 4th, 2022, 10:36 pm

i want to bet alot of locals & ppl all over use d ol internet 1\4 length speed of sound to what hz method & not do a enclosure program build ...

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby rollingstock » January 4th, 2022, 10:56 pm

david12 wrote:
Brian Steele wrote:
rollingstock wrote:A t line built properly for a pair of 8's ain't no small enclosure. 4th order that 10 instead.


A properly-designed TL for any driver will most times be only slightly larger in volume than a properly-designed vented box for the same driver with the same Fb (box resonance frequency).

Unfortunately there are some TL "design rules" out there that are pretty bad (taking into consideration only the driver's Sd and its Fs), and the end result when you follow them is basically a 1/4 wave "bass whistle" that will have an exaggerated response at its resonance frequency, and likely all sorts of nonsense happening further up the spectrum. If you want one-note bass, that's the way to go.
Just the man I wanted to hear! Thanks. I think ported may be slightly more idiot proof lol. Unless I spend my free time reading up on properly designed t lines. My box man said that he can build it but I don't think I trust him given these guys knowledge is mostly from one note wonders tuned to the sky.
rollingstock wrote:
david12 wrote:Was hoping that it would be a similar footprint to a 12 inch ported which I know I could fit. But the issue with space lies in height. So the 8s would be better.

Front or rear ported 4th order?


Rear ported for ht worked better for me.
Hmmm will do some research. What sub did you use?


Id8. Would be doing an idq8 as soon as I get some free time.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby Jeremy09 » January 6th, 2022, 9:17 am

Peeps. Some advice on tuning silk domes.
Tweeter in question here is the arc x2s. They are rated 40rms each, my amp was rated more so i used the setting gain with DMM method to give them rated. I took some time downloaded free rta app(not accurate guess) an eq them pretty nicely on a pink noise track. However on music they still seem pretty harsh to my ear.

A friend of mines told me tweeters are to be set using your ears, is this true? If so what sounds to use to really test the tweeter and drop gain accordingly.

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Re: Budget 6.5/ Now car audio advice thread

Postby timelapse » January 6th, 2022, 9:46 am

Jeremy09 wrote:Peeps. Some advice on tuning silk domes.
Tweeter in question here is the arc x2s. They are rated 40rms each, my amp was rated more so i used the setting gain with DMM method to give them rated. I took some time downloaded free rta app(not accurate guess) an eq them pretty nicely on a pink noise track. However on music they still seem pretty harsh to my ear.

A friend of mines told me tweeters are to be set using your ears, is this true? If so what sounds to use to really test the tweeter and drop gain accordingly.
RTA pics?
What frequency you highpassed at?

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