who louder kicker l7 15'' or the new mtx squares

[lil punisher]

i personaly got a 15 kicker l7 an it hit 149 dbs noraml on a jbl gto 1400 an my friend say that new mtx squares are louder than the kicker i dont want to say kicker is louder cause im a kicker fan .. So i wanted to get other views on this

[Firewall]

i got personaly got a 15 kicker l7 an it hit 149 dbs noraml on a jbl gto 1400 an my friend say that new mtx squares are lounder than the kicker i dont want to say kicker is lounder cause im a kicker fan .. So i wanted to get other views on this

really

[ChristianRD]

i got personaly got a 15 kicker l7 an it hit 149 dbs noraml on a jbl gto 1400 an my friend say that new mtx squares are lounder than the kicker i dont want to say kicker is lounder cause im a kicker fan .. So i wanted to get other views on this

really

and spelling pwns him.

[3stagevtec]

i got personaly got a 15 kicker l7 an it hit 149 dbs noraml on a jbl gto 1400 an my friend say that new mtx squares are lounder than the kicker i dont want to say kicker is lounder cause im a kicker fan .. So i wanted to get other views on this

can you please elaborate? e.g. what meter, which show, who did the testing etc..

http://www.kicker.com/Solo-Baric_L7

http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/TS85_sub.cfm

MTX only makes 12" squares.. The MTX TS8512 and the Solobaric L7 12" are both rated at 750Wrms but the MTX has a slightly higher sensitivity.. so that should theoretically give it a slight advantage..

also, judging by company reputation, MTX would be my 1st choice..

[Mobile-Authority]

i got personaly got a 15 kicker l7 an it hit 149 lbs noraml on a jbl gto 1400 an my friend say that new mtx squares are lounder than the kicker i dont want to say kicker is lounder cause im a kicker fan .. So i wanted to get other views on this

really

and spelling pwns him.

[lil punisher]

i got that reading at iasca 14 in bass boxing..

[3stagevtec]

i got that reading at iasca 14 in bass boxing..

still, that figure is questionable.. very questionable.. i've seen guys run over 4000Wrms in full competition style setups and struggle to make close to 150dB average over 30seconds.. and you're saying you did 149 with a kicker of all subs on just 1500W..

see why i'm doubting you.. are you sure it's not 139dB average??

[audio holoc]

i got that reading at iasca 14 in bass boxing..

sure that wasn't your total score? And if you don't mind where was the show held and what category where u placed in? just so we could verify the score

[- Rovin's car audio -]

when u made that score ? ...

[kurpal_v2]

So what if he was in an extreme or advance class?


Team rip rock said they only need an odd 100wrms to hit 150+ on a termlab.

[30hz]

comparison can only be done 12 vs 12!!!
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery - 1 point for kicker
mtx website has a comparison diagram of both, and the displacement calculator also. both give the edge to mtx. but cuz its mtx's website they might be biased.

i've used em both. swithed them in and out of the same boxes on the same power and processing. BUT the kicker was a well broken in l7 08, while the mtx was brand spankin new(ie not broken in), so a proper comparison couldn't be done

the mtx got louder on the same power at the time. the mtx has trippl3 stacked magnets, longer xmax and a larger voice coil. i assumed it would be better for output and durabilty, and i sold the kicker.

i also liked the fact that hardly anyone has the mtx, while kickers getting common like pioneers - every tom, dick, harrilal and their grandfather has kickers now.
my installer also told me that kickers burn easily. i didn't burn mine......
but....
on the classified section of tuner there have been many damaged kicker squares for sale.
true or not true???

therefore an all out "who louder" comparison was NOT done by me, but i do have my ts8512-22 installed in the car, not the optimum enclosure and not the optimum tuning cuz i need my trunkspace and i like lower frequencies than most gallary men. but i'm happy i kept the mtx

[pimptacular]

my installer also told me that kickers burn easily

sigh who is this installer?

[30hz]

my installer also told me that kickers burn easily

sigh who is this installer?

i trying not to call nobody name. you can believe it or not. you be the judge.
thats why i ask

"my installer also told me that kickers burn easily. i didn't burn mine......
but....
on the classified section of tuner there have been many damaged kicker squares for sale.
true or not true??"

i AGREE a statement like "kicker burns easily" has a lot of implications such as installer/tuning/power/enclosure.

i would just equate the statement as ole talk. Another reputable installer i spoke to told me that not just anyone calling themself an installer could make the kicker squares perform and that it takes some know-how and experience, unlike other subs on the market where some boss power and some plywood would have you soundin kinda ok.

this i believe because i have seen these speaker in a few cars. some have performed beautifully, some have failed miserably. maybe those failed systems are the reason for those subs in need of repair

[riadb]

i have used both....
both in optimum enclosures and both fully broken in

MTX wins hands down.... both for loudness and SQ

the mtx has a smaller coil tho....a modest 1.75" aluminium VC

[- Rovin's car audio -]

d only how this can be truly proven is to get 1 of each in manufacturer rec specs box & use d rec power each is rated at & meter both in d same vehicle at d same vol level ......

[NAVYNUCXP]

So reading through this post I just have to put my 2 cents in. I agree with the statement that the Kickers burning easy. I found this site trying to do a comparison with the L-7's and the MTX TS8512-22. I am currently running 2 12" 08 L7's dual 2 ohm vc's in 3 cubic feet total, they are wired series on the voice coils, parallel to the amp giving a 2 ohm load to the amp, I am powering them with a kicker 08 zx1500.1 which puts out 1604 rms according to the certificate that came with it. I have in the 90 days since I put it all together blown 2 speakers and have to keep getting them replaced. I have been into car stereo and setting up systems for 15 years now and have NEVER blown a sub before and it is irritating that I blow 2 in the span of 90 days. The subs say that power handling goes up significantly when you use a sub sonic filter which my amp has set at 25hz. So according to the specs off the subs, running 2 of them should require 1500 rms? So they are not getting overpowered.... why are they blowing...? So I am thinking of going to the mtx now.

[SR]

subsonic filter should be set to just below port tuning freq for best results

[noyztoyz]

So reading through this post I just have to put my 2 cents in. I agree with the statement that the Kickers burning easy. I found this site trying to do a comparison with the L-7's and the MTX TS8512-22. I am currently running 2 12" 08 L7's dual 2 ohm vc's in 3 cubic feet total, they are wired series on the voice coils, parallel to the amp giving a 2 ohm load to the amp, I am powering them with a kicker 08 zx1500.1 which puts out 1604 rms according to the certificate that came with it. I have in the 90 days since I put it all together blown 2 speakers and have to keep getting them replaced. I have been into car stereo and setting up systems for 15 years now and have NEVER blown a sub before and it is irritating that I blow 2 in the span of 90 days. The subs say that power handling goes up significantly when you use a sub sonic filter which my amp has set at 25hz. So according to the specs off the subs, running 2 of them should require 1500 rms? So they are not getting overpowered.... why are they blowing...? So I am thinking of going to the mtx now.

what is the current system in this car pal?
alternator and battery and wires?
also is it a 3 cubic feet total for 2 12 l7s
and is that selaed or ported? if ported, to what Frequency?

[casper]

i got that reading at iasca 14 in bass boxing..

http://www.mktrinievents.com/forum/phpB ... 3857077c1c

^^^out of ALL the shows i forget to post up results for it HAD to be this one eh???

GAWWWWD BOI

[Kadir]

Let me be the first to outrightly come out and say the MTX is the better speaker at the end of it all. I have personal experience with the MTX and have also heard the L7's play. The Mtx actually does burn easily if and only if u almost double the rms power on them for a lengthly period of time. But musically the MTX has beaten DD's RE's Kickers Rockfords and among others.

[masterofmindz]

MTX THUNDER 8512 squares anyday bro...

[-Roach-]

i got that reading at iasca 14 in bass boxing..

http://www.mktrinievents.com/forum/phpB ... 3857077c1c

^^^out of ALL the shows i forget to post up results for it HAD to be this one eh???

GAWWWWD BOI

You Did Post Up The Results... That Was The Same Day For The Curry Duck Show... Here Are The Results For IASCA 14...

http://www.mktrinievents.com/forum/phpB ... p?f=9&t=12

[jeff]

But musically the MTX has beaten DD's RE's Kickers Rockfords and among others.

was this in a competition? if so what kind of competition did the mtx beat these other brands, and how did it beat them?

[riadb]

^^ daz an overstatement...

was a head to head comparison with the ts55 subs against some dd9500's and some rfp3's

the ts55's were not as loud as the DD's but were louder than the p3's

they were more musical and less one toned than the other subs....

but they were NOT louder than the dd's

[Loudsound Customs]

But musically the MTX has beaten DD's RE's Kickers Rockfords and among others.

was this in a competition? if so what kind of competition did the mtx beat these other brands, and how did it beat them?

mtx and the kicker are gr8 subs

but i wudnt say mtx is better than re, dd, kicker an rf musically

[NAVYNUCXP]

what is the current system in this car pal?
alternator and battery and wires?
also is it a 3 cubic feet total for 2 12 l7s
and is that selaed or ported? if ported, to what Frequency?

Hello, I am running an optima yellow top, 0 awg wire, 5 farad cap, 178amp alternator. and it is 3 cubic feet total in a sealed box.

[riadb]

But musically the MTX has beaten DD's RE's Kickers Rockfords and among others.

was this in a competition? if so what kind of competition did the mtx beat these other brands, and how did it beat them?

mtx and the kicker are gr8 subs

but i wudnt say mtx is better than re, dd, kicker an rf musically

u would be suprised as to how smooth the TS subs play when fully broken in....
I have a ts85 here to break in, will post a review asap

[NAVYNUCXP]

O.... Also, it is on a kenwood exelon KVT-614.

[NAVYNUCXP]

O.... Also, it is on a kenwood exelon KVT-614.