ratings

[doublestenns]

wait i see a difference, the amps are nothin alike
in order to see the difference u must be stone drunk

[carfreak1024]

Eureka !!!!!

Lets hear the nay sayers now... Even the end caps are the same.




Im still interested in the exercise on Saturday to open them both up side by side and compare parts. Just to give everyone a chance to analyse both amps in detail.

If you guys want to do a double blind listening test, Im sure we could do that too...

The bigger question is, which is the re-badged.

I'll never tell.

well after opening the powerbass myself to look for something that would give me a clue as to what is going on i found an image dynamics 14500 stamp on the crossover board near the QC Passes Sticker on the Powerbass amp. So to answer your question and ask which amp is the rebadged i will say it is the Powerbass as there are no Powerbass markings on the Image Dynamics I4500 which i also opened.

[carfreak1024]

So this is now ah backpedal?

but i see what you was talking about here, a switch from the highest line image dynamics 4 channel to the lowest line which is in the same price bracket as the pb600.4.

[nigel1977]

The point, really, was to show that a brand of lesser status carries the same parts as a much higher ranked one. Regardless of what sticker, badging, is noticed. An ID i4500 is the same as a pb600.4x.

Are we in agreement?

Everything else about foam surrounds, stickers, backpedalling is an attempt to misdirect the fact that both amps are the same.

[Lance]

So this is now ah backpedal?

but i see what you was talking about here, a switch from the highest line image dynamics 4 channel to the lowest line which is in the same price bracket as the pb600.4.[/quote

Did you pass the English language proficiency test necessary to post on this forum?

No one ever meant to compare the Q series. It was done purely by mistake. The comparison was always the one being made now.

The Picture has been posted, please comment on that.

[doublestenns]

doz any one hav a pic of the inside of the new asa 1500.1.dx i want to see what is the difference between the the old model and new model

[carfreak1024]

So this is now ah backpedal?

but i see what you was talking about here, a switch from the highest line image dynamics 4 channel to the lowest line which is in the same price bracket as the pb600.4.[/quote

Did you pass the English language proficiency test necessary to post on this forum?

No one ever meant to compare the Q series. It was done purely by mistake. The comparison was always the one being made now.

The Picture has been posted, please comment on that.

ummmmmmmm, well in the first place, what part of my english did you not understand. Because, as far as i can see everything i said above can be clearly understood.

So i pose the question, did you pass the reading proficiency test required to post on this forum?

But on a serious note, yes i did see that both the amps are exactly the same internally, but what can you do when lower end companies buy boards designed for higher end companies, overate the amps and undercut the original owner's costs. My answer, nothing. I guess people can get a really good amp for a very good price and that amp is the powerbass 600.4x. As much as i hate to say it, the amps are the same.

But look at the power ratings, since the powerbass which claims to be 800RMS carries the same board as an amp that is rated to be 460RMS, i guess we can definatively say that the Powerbass ASA series does not put out rated power at all, and actually is about 50% overrated, as much as some Power Acoustik products. Thus reinforcing Pioneer's point made earlier.

Hope my points were clear this time.



And BTW did the admins not put an edit function in the forums so as to prevent these types of mistakes from becoming a problem. I mean a few posts should have been fixed.

[sMASH]

since is 460 rms, i guessin the price is around 1200?

[carfreak1024]

since is 460 rms, i guessin the price is around 1200?

well if the true RMS power of an amplifier dictated its price then i guess people would not be using Boss and Power Acoustik. I mean by that same estimation, a DLS RA40 should be around $1200 as well, or a JL Audio 450/4, or even an Arc Audio SE4100. Those are all 400-500RMS amps.

[noyztoyz]

interesting indeed with that powerbass and image amp comparison

but Rovin, doh study that idiot nah, come on

[Nasrallah]

But look at the power ratings, since the powerbass which claims to be 800RMS carries the same board as an amp that is rated to be 460RMS, i guess we can definatively say that the Powerbass ASA series does not put out rated power at all, and actually is about 50% overrated, as much as some Power Acoustik products. Thus reinforcing Pioneer's point made earlier.

Could also mean that the Image Dynamics amp is under rated?

[carfreak1024]

But look at the power ratings, since the powerbass which claims to be 800RMS carries the same board as an amp that is rated to be 460RMS, i guess we can definatively say that the Powerbass ASA series does not put out rated power at all, and actually is about 50% overrated, as much as some Power Acoustik products. Thus reinforcing Pioneer's point made earlier.

Could also mean that the Image Dynamics amp is under rated?

And although that is not something to doubt, we both know that the Powerbass ASA600.4x does not output 800RMS, maybe 500-600RMS. But since the both amps are the same the Image Dynamics i4500 could be underrated, like almost all of their products.

From lots of use of their subs, amps, and components, i can say that there stuff is really good, although the fact that the subwoofer baskets are no longer metal but rather an epoxy based plastic their stuff still works great. I have the Image Dynamics CTX65CS running full pass in my doors now playing sub bass. I have seen an Image Dynamics i5500 push an IDQ 12" which was the best bass from 400RMS i have heard to date, and also I have heard an IDMAX 12" in a very weirdly ported enclosure give amazing output and lowbass right down to less than 20hz.

As was said earlier, how many brands do you know of that can ne sold locally for less than they can away be sold for away. Very few, besides Image Dynamics and maybe Pioneer Subs nothing else comes to mind.

[nigel1977]

Yep, and you can keep on doing so.

[nigel1977]

Competition?

How many 600.4x's were imported and resold this year.
How many i4500's were imported and resold this year.

Once again, you speak without any fact. Or maybe you dont have a clue what "competition" means.

Oooh the forum's watching. Ohhh.

[nigel1977]

So wait, after I said, that Lance was correct last week Thursday, and even offered to do a physical comparison, you're still hung up on me backpedaling or are you just fixated on me?

Thanks, but Im a straight guy.

Have a great evening.


Or wait, see if this helps your ego.

I apologise Trinituner. I misquoted the model number. Pioneer has taken personal offence.

[Lance]

Word on the street is that Image Dynamics Isn't wholly owned by Eric Anymore either lol. Pioneer you heard that as well?

[nigel1977]

Nooo lance, you got any proof?

The I series amps are built in the same buildhouse that is owned by the owner of powerbass.

tsk tsk...let us know when you bring facts and disrepute carfreak's claims/fact/personal findings.

which were:
1. both asa and i series amps are exactly the same, minus a sticker on one.
2. the q series is not the same as the pb asa series

Did i miss anything?

[Lance]

Nah that's just hearsay, just like what most of this thread has resorted to.

Lets break it down and end all this unnecessary oletalk,

The Q series is not the same(similar) as(to) any Powerbass amplifier on the market.

The I Series mentioned above possesses a similar if not almost identical board design to the ASA Powerbass.

That's it.

The ICE club occasionally does Power testing. If you guys wish to extend this argument to one of power output then please do it with empirical evidence.

[Lance]

Pioneer We've said that since about 15 post back, you are correct.

See below:

So this is now ah backpedal?

nah man, I ain't back peddling. As I said in the initial post, The price difference was 1-200, I was always referring to the I series amplifier (clearly I didn't have the Q series in mind, given the amp is 2900) The Model numbers just got mixed up. Anyone looking at the Q series and the ASA would see that the amps look nothing alike.

And carfreak, the price difference can well be 1-200, which goes back to my original post. Powerbass has no set dealer (much like audiopipe), so the price varies EVERYWHERE, everyone brings in their own stock, who ever has the lowest price is determined by who doesn't get shaft the hardest by customs. Plain and simple.

No one is saying the amps are identical. They do share the same PCB board design. That all that can be said. Nothing more nothing less. Does a board design speak to quality of the parts used? does a board design speak to the QC? Does it speak to the support you will receive? No it does not.

It's difficult to remain objective on this forum.

[nigel1977]

Wow. You sure showed me the truth.

[carfreak1024]

The point, really, was to show that a brand of lesser status carries the same parts as a much higher ranked one. Regardless of what sticker, badging, is noticed. An ID i4500 is the same as a pb600.4x.

Are we in agreement?

Everything else about foam surrounds, stickers, backpedalling is an attempt to misdirect the fact that both amps are the same.

http://www.imagedynamicsusa.com/forum/i ... topic=5469

Are these amps the same, are both made by powerbass?

There are local Powerbass dealers/sellers claiming this as true

Can ya'll shed some light please?

No they are not made by Powerbass. No they are not the same amplifiers. Yes, they are built in the same factory so they are similar.

Talk nah?

like a man close down the thread boi, went straight to the top to get the answers, best way to do things if you ask me. i still have the pics of the powerbass amp with the image stamp on d board if anyone wants to see it.

[blaine]

Post it nah..let's see.
I personally don't want to make any comparisons wrt amps cause i really don't have any experience with much other brands, maybe jus one or two. But i do have a Q450.4 playing 2 pairs of Image dynamics cxs components and they do sound amazing. I agree... budget brands can perform in proper installs and what not, no doubt
but when someone spends about $7000 on an amp and comps and to hear ppl compare it to lower brands that sucks ass man. Thats like comparing a skyline to a cifero with a RB26.
Which one you rather drive??